Horde of Notions
Legendary Creature — Elemental
Vigilance, trample, haste
: You may play target Elemental card from your graveyard without paying its mana cost.
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|Commander: Rule 0||Legal|
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Horde of Notions Discussion
5 months ago
Thanks! I'm happy you like it. I've actually been testing this deck with Horde of Notions for a while now and I think that I will make the switch for a few reasons.
Early game hate. People just dislike Kenrith decks in general, you typically become an early game target. Less people are worried about Horde and I tend to fly under the radar a bit more.
Haste and Vigilance, it's nice being able to swing hard with Horde of Notions immediately on cast, the vigilance is a major bonus because this deck does struggle with blocking since most the bodies in the deck kill themselves.
I've also in my testing decided to take out Phase Dolphin because I simply don't use it enough, if it had haste it would be significantly better. I am going to replace Phase Dolphin with Shalai, Voice of Plenty so that I can protect the creatures better, I've had opponents destroy Suicide Squad creatures mid combat which is always the worst. My only downside to doing this is that Shalai is not 3cmc or less so it's one less card to work with all of my synergies with Teshar, Ancestor's Apostle , Aluren , Collected Company , and Sevinne's Reclamation .
5 months ago
Ryan tried this deck out last night. He tried to get a value engine going with Hoofprints of the Stag but was eliminated from the game before that could really work. I wonder if he was being too proactive, when this deck is really more of a reactive deck. For example, if he'd tutored up Tornado Elemental instead of Hoofprints of the Stag, maybe could have taken out the flyer I'd been hitting him with repeatedly. He did use Brutalizer Exarch to eliminated one of my equipments, but he could have instead used it to go get Ingot Chewer , play it for its evoke cost to take out the same equipment, and then use it again from the graveyard with Horde of Notions . Once I was cut down to size, he could have then set up his value engine and start attacking with the multiple threats he had on the board.
10 months ago
You can't mutate Illuna from the graveyard, unfortunately. Mutate is an alternate casting cost, and Horde of Notions' ability is also an alternate casting cost; the activated ability specificaly lets you pay and cast the target, it doesn't just give you the ability to cast it. Since only one alternate cost can be paid for a spell, and the graveyard access is tied to the cost, you can't also pay the cost to mutate.
10 months ago
I do like that the combo literally only requires your commander(s) and Buried Alive, basically turning one tutor and enough mana into a win.
There's probably an optimal balance between "Toolbox Elemental Goodstuff" and "Hardcore Combo Deck" in terms of viability/power level, but it would almost definitely be more interesting for the opponents to just go Toolbox Elementals.
Anyway, thank you for your insight.
10 months ago
I came up with an idea for a deck, and after some research, realized that the deck was easily able to assemble a combo to win the game.
My question is: Should I focus on making the deck completely revolve around getting the combo as quickly as possible as consistently as possible, or should I have a high quantity of disruption to prevent my opponents from having their plans go through?
I know the answer is already, "It depends on the deck". However, maybe someone has a different opinion.
The combo is to use Buried Alive to get Chakram Retriever, Bloodpyre Elemental, and Illuna, Apex of Wishes in grave. You will also want to tutor for Lightning Greaves and you will need at least one other Elemental (any Elemental) in your grave for the combo to work.
What you do is you get Jegantha from the Sideboard by paying, cast Jegantha, equip it with Lightning Greaves, tap it for mana, cast your commander Horde of Notions, either pass hoping nothing happens or have something like Dramatic Reversal, use Jegantha again and use Horde of Notions' ability to cast Chakram Retriever from grave. Then you just need to cast any spell (once) to finish them off. This untaps Jegantha, and now, because Horde of Notions CASTS the Elementals from grave, every time you use the Notions ability, you will get to untap Jegantha and just do it again.
Now you just revive Bloodpyre Elemental and the one other Elemental of any name, mutate Illuna, Apex of Wishes onto Bloodpyre, (the Horde allows you to mutate from grave because you're casting it, and therefore can pay the alternate cost), and Illuna does his thing once. Then you sacrifice Bloodpyre Elemental with Illuna mutated on, targeting the other elemental of any name to take the damage. If said elemental dies, revive it.
You can repeat the above, playing and sacrificing Illuna, Apex of Wishes until you hit Omnath, Locus of the Roil. Then you play him and kill him repeatedly with Bloodpyre Elemental, using Omnath's ETB to kill everyone else.
Convoluted, I know.
Anyway, I just wanted to know people's opinion on how viable a deck like this would be (the entire deck, as I envisioned, would be some tutors, some lands, the essential combo pieces, a few utility Elementals, and the rest of the deck ramp like Kodama's Reach, the deck being mostly Black (tutors) and Green (ramp)). Additionally, I would like to know what direction people think this deck should take.
I thought of this combo and thought that it was interesting/maybe useful enough to be worth sharing, so I posted it mostly for people's information/amusement.
Thank you for reading.
11 months ago
No. When you use Horde of Notions' ability, you cannot pay alternate costs, like Evoke. Also, regardless of the cost of Elemental, you pay , there is no mana leftover.
From Gatherer: 10/1/2007 This ability does not allow you to pay the evoke cost of the targeted Elemental card.
11 months ago
Let's say I have Horde of Notions on the battlefield and a card with the Evoke mechanism in the graveyard (let's say Wispmare ). Can I use Horde of Notions' ability to play Wispmare from the graveyard, but use only one white mana to cast it for its evoke cost? If yes, will I end up with 4 mana left? Thank you very much.