Gone with the Windgrace *Primer*

Commander / EDH Phaetion

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More Touches —Aug. 21, 2018

It's been a while since I touched the deck. I was having a lot of fun with the enchantresses (I even had a strong build with Kestia, the Cultivator but I digress). Because of this, I haven't built the deck irl yet (and because I already have a Vaevictis Asmadi, the Dire deck that just won't go away). So the primer and the deck will uphold as a guide for those who wish to venture into the archetype.

Anyway, the fixes (edited with time):

-Aggressive Mining: Revisiting the deck made me think of how situational the card is. Off a Scapeshift or Splendid Reclamation it's strong. Otherwise it's not.

-Windgrace's Judgment: I'm sad to see this go, but I need to cut a 5-drop to make the curve stable.

+Dragonmaster Outcast: We get a dragon each upkeep in this deck, which is good.

+Beast Within: A staple that filled the void Judgment left. It hits only one target, though, but that's sometimes better.

Phaetion says... #1

Thomasin4413: I knew I was missing something. Thanks!

July 26, 2018 11:23 a.m.

gman10 says... #2

Have you considered Beast Within or Chaos Warp? They are both very versatile and cheap

July 26, 2018 6:21 p.m.

Phaetion says... #3

gman10: I'll try to work those in. Thanks.

July 26, 2018 8:25 p.m.

President_Taft says... #4

You have Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle and 6 Mountains. So all Valakut will do for you is come into play tapped 99% of the time.

July 27, 2018 1:37 p.m.

Phaetion says... #5

President_Taft: The reason for Valakut is to work with Prismatic Omen and Scapeshift. Sure, it won't be the best most of the time, but it's no different from the classic The Gitrog Monster combo I got in there as well (though I still need to fit Gaea's Blessing in).

July 27, 2018 1:44 p.m.

Philipr99 says... #6

I would try Vesuva if youre going to play Scapeshift and Omen. Vesuva can copy valakut and you can get the triggers 2(x-1) which seems more optimal.

Also I am surprised not to see Strip Mine and Dust Bowl at the very least, as those cards are insane.

July 27, 2018 9:25 p.m.

Phaetion says... #7

Philipr99:

  1. Good point on Vesuva. I'll try to work it in. Would Thespian's Stage work too?

  2. Those were an oversight, but I wonder about the jerk move of comboing it with Crucible of Worlds and Ramunap Excavator. I'll try to work them both in, but it'll be Wasteland instead of Strip Mine.

July 28, 2018 11:34 a.m.

Love the deck and I've seen actually seen this movie so that made this especially funny. I don't know why people dislike Windgrace so much he's not bad at all. Question for you though: how did you get that custom pic of Windgrace into the correct format? I've been trying to upload my own custom pic for a deck I've been working on but I can't get it to work.

July 28, 2018 4:28 p.m.

Phaetion says... #9

nadder447: Thanks :D Personally, I'd say Windgrace is good at what he does. You bring out 2 fetches, and that's 4 landfall triggers right there. It happens more times when I play the deck than I an count (I might up the mountain and swamp counts by 1 each for this reason). That said, Gyrus is also an option once you see it. If you run enough dredge cards in a Lands deck, Gyrus actually becomes respectable, but not as good as our feline planeswalking friend.

To answer your question: I'm not the one who made the image. You'd have to ask KongMing for that. I'd love to stick it over the Abundance art, but idk how to do it.

By the way...the biggest irony here is that I've never read nor seen Gone with the Wind, but I did the research to pull off all the quotes and everything. I got a gist of what it's about through it all.

July 28, 2018 6:59 p.m.

Philipr99 says... #10

Phaetion

Thespian's Stage would only work if you already had it in play as a copy of Valakut if it was already in play. It wouldnt work as a surprise Shift kill.

July 28, 2018 10:07 p.m.

Phaetion says... #11

Philipr99: Alright. I'll replace the Stage with Vesuva. Thanks for the suggestions.

July 29, 2018 8:21 a.m.

EpicFreddi says... #12

Is budget a thing here? If not, we should play the lands that win games. Dark Depths, The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale and manlands should be in here i'd say. Dark Depths in is worst case, is a mana sink with payout. In it's best case, it wins games. You can get the land back with and copy it with Thespian Stage. Also Realms Uncharted is a thing. Make split between Snow-Covered basics and normal ones so you could potentionally target the same basic twice.

July 29, 2018 8:50 a.m.

Phaetion says... #13

EpicFreddi: Yes and no. I built the deck using what I have. I can never afford Tabernacle, and while I can try and nab a Dark Depths, the Stage has since been replaced with Vesuva. That said, I do recommend the combo for those who wish to try it in their builds.

Good call on Realms. I'll try and work it in. As for the Snow lands, I can see the deck going all snow-covered basics, then add Scrying Sheets. Depends on my budget.

July 29, 2018 9:04 a.m.

BaceJeleren says... #14

Definitely more interesting than all the mass land destruction builds I've seen. I think just about all the instants in your maybeboard should be in the main deck along with Hour of Promise. Even without deserts it's very good, especially if you're running 2 card land combos like Urborg and Cabal Coffers. And if you ever decide to run Dark Depths + Thespian's Stage. Overall looks good though.

I'm running more of a combo deck and am looking for suggestions, check it out if you get a chance!


Windgrace Combo

Commander / EDH* BaceJeleren

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July 29, 2018 9:53 p.m.

Phaetion says... #15

BaceJeleren: I tried to add Hour of Promise, but taking out 5-drops was becoming very difficult. If there's one that could be removed, let me know so I can add it. Also, you say each of the instants can be added. Are there any ideas as to what to remove?

I'll look at your deck soon. Thanks for the comment.

July 30, 2018 2:48 p.m.

KongMing says... #16

I'm so glad to see how successful this deck has become on TappedOut! I'd like to think my witty name helped. :D

Really though, congratulations on such a tight build. I'd +1 you again if I could, lol.

July 30, 2018 4:21 p.m.

DaMaster545 says... #17

Does Amulet of Vigor actually do anything super busted for you? I noticed you took out a lot of the basic land ramp which typically is a heavy source of taplands. Your mana base here is pretty optimized with a small amount of taplands so I'm not sure what the amulet is doing beyond maybe a tiny amount of faster lands. Sure it's neat with Scapeshift but most things are.

July 30, 2018 6:39 p.m.

BaceJeleren says... #18

Phaetion I'm not the biggest fan of Aggressive Mining, I think the "once a turn" clause is what keeps it from being great. Playing lands is a big part of your build and taking that away is probably not worth the 2 cards a turn most of the time. Horn of Greed is a tough call for me, I hate giving my opponents the opportunity to draw cards but if you're able to abuse it and win shortly after then I'd say it's a keeper. How has Seismic Assault been? I've definitely considered it but being triple red and not-so-great early game I decided to leave it out. Might give it a shot. Nesting Dragon doesn't impress me but I haven't tried it out yet either. I know Gaea's Blessing is a combo piece but I can't help but think of all the times you'll mill it and screw everything up, especially since you're running lots of dredge. Also since you're running Amulet of Vigor, I think the bouncelands like Gruul Turf are even better.

July 30, 2018 8:25 p.m.

Phaetion says... #19

KongMing: I'm surprised as well, and yes, that name and art was perfect. I never read the book, so it was fun picking out quotes online and using them for the primer. Thank you so much again. :D

DaMaster545: You raise a good point. I never drew into the Amulet though, but I can slot a 1-drop instead and test it.

BaceJeleren: As much as I can see the error in adding Aggressive Mining, I'm hesitant on removing 4-drops outside of another one because it messes up my curve. Horn of Greed has been great. We'll get more out of it than our opponents will and now Nissa, Vital Force is gone, it has to stay there. Seismic Assault works with Borborygmos Enraged (who also works with The Gitrog Monster. Fun fact) but in a pinch, it can act as removal.

Gaea's Blessing, I agree with. It's arguably the weakest card in the deck. I might remove it if it does screw me over. Nesting Dragon has been ok. It's nice wrath insurance should the eggs kick the bucket, and a good way to recover.

July 31, 2018 11:22 a.m.

EpicFreddi says... #20

If we want to tool box a little more, how about Glacial Chasm and Maze of Ith

July 31, 2018 2:04 p.m.

DaMaster545 says... #21

If you only use Gaea's Blessing for the traditional The Gitrog Monster combo, you are better off running an original Eldrazi Titan. They aren’t dead draws in a lands deck because you can actually afford them late game but they still combo off with frog boi like you want them too. A lot of Gitrog lists run both because blessing can often protect the titan, but a more goodstuff deck such as this one, including one would be enough just to make the combo possible.

July 31, 2018 5:49 p.m.

DaMaster545 says... #22

Also while I happen to be here, I feel like not including Crop Rotation is a crime. It is such a powerful card with a lot of applications. Most people overlook the instant speed.

Need a landfall trigger? Crop Rotate! And upgrade that basic forest while you're at it. Need a land in the yard for Lord Windgrace or The Gitrog Monster? Crop Rotate!

Need a specific land, maybe Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth or Cabal Coffers? Crop Rotate!

Someone swinging in with their Craterhoof Behemoth? Crop Rotate in Glacial Chasm and watch them cry.

Someone targeting something in their graveyard for value? Crop Rotate into Bojuka Bog and watch them get salty.

You can even pump a creature you are swinging with in response to blocks with Kessig Wolf Run, the list can go on forever if you run a decent amount of utility lands, something a lands decks certainly should.

July 31, 2018 6:06 p.m.

Phaetion says... #23

DaMaster545: I'm trying to include it. In fact, I'll cut the Amulet for it.

July 31, 2018 6:35 p.m.

Sterling0528 says... #24

I’d recommend Strip Mine and Amulet of Vigor

July 31, 2018 8:03 p.m.

Phaetion says... #25

Sterling0528: I just removed the Amulet for not doing much and I'm avoiding Strip Mine to not be that guy. Wasteland is in its place instead.

August 1, 2018 8:55 a.m.