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Take an extra turn after this one. At the beginning of that turn's end step, you lose the game.
Last Chance Discussion
1 month ago
Final Fortune it’s an instant... even better...
If u are daring and a risk taker Glorious End has won me a couple games... and if u have a sundial in there and on board u won’t lose the game at ur next turns end step :)
1 month ago
2 months ago
XVicarious he’s in there dude! I picked up a foil one when they were a few bucks. There is a turn 1 win that I describe in the combo section, but I am yet to pull it off (I set it up to show others when they don’t believe it’s possible).
2 months ago
SamsWrath thanks for your deck advice! Mox Opal is going in as soon as I have enough spare cash. At the moment it doesn’t benefit to remove Gauntlet of Power and Extraplanar Lens , but once I’ve included the artifact lands (for metalcraft) and some of the quick mana you have suggested, the benefits of those cards will be eroded sufficiently.
I will be keeping the ramp spells you suggest in mind. I am currently testing extra turn cards Last Chance and Final Fortune , and once I have decided if to keep them I will move on to those. What’s your thoughts on Treasonous Ogre to pay life for ramp?
I couldn’t warrant City of Traitors but Dwarven Ruins and Sandstone Needle are going in for sure. Crystal Vein I am going to pass on as I have never been left wanting more colourless as the deck has numerous ways of producing it.
Torch Courier doesn’t give this deck enough benefit to earn a slot. I would typically play the haste card when I am all set to win. As this is targeted haste, the goblin army can’t swing out, requiring more pieces to win. Also, it doesn’t synergise with sacking Krenko back to the command zone and recasting with infinite mana.
Some great suggestions dude, thank you!
3 months ago
TheGeneralAdvisor thank you very much for your considerations, you have given me a lot of food for thought.
I agree with your view that Wheel of Fate probably doesn’t earn the place. The more tuned the deck has become, the more suspend has been situational (need to cast it in the first few turns otherwise it’s a dead card). This might be a good cut to try Apex of Power . My only reservation is ten mana is a significant investment as would normally be expecting to win (or have been knocked out) by then. Certainly worth trying though!
If I could afford a Gauntlet of Might I would definitely swap out Extraplanar Lens . I have lost count the number of times that it has ramped me to a win when the early game had been thwarted. I also plan to pick up a Grim Monolith just to tune/speed the deck up a bit.
Goblin Bushwhacker is always cast for its kicker cost as a 2-mana, single turn haste enabler to combo off. Goblin Ringleader is a holdover from when it was more tribal based deck, and your probably right it needs removing. Moggcatcher is there to tutor up Skirk Prospector or one of the haste enabling goblins. With this list’s lack of tutors, I would definitely think she earns the spot to stay.
I used to run Aggravated Assault , but took it out to lower the curve. Now that the deck has lots of ways to produce infinite mana, I think it may be worth testing again.
I have tried Anger but could never consistently get it in the bin and don’t have space to dedicate for it to work. Hopefully a more efficient haste enabler than Ogre Battledriver comes in time and I will drop it.
Thank you so much man, your comment was awesome!
3 months ago
I think I would speed the deck up. You have a lot of control here, and if your meta needs it that’s fine, but cards like Stranglehold , Blood Moon and the like are all very slow. It’s basically skipping a turn to play them and hope that nobody deals with it, and they don’t actually advance you winning the game. Wheel of Fate is way too slow as well. As a personal opinion, I also find cards like Extraplanar Lens very clunky and vulnerable, and they rarely speed the game up faster than a Gauntlet of Might . Power is a fine substitute although I think it’s probably too slow for what you’re doing.
Sword of the Paruns is a slow combo piece that I probably wouldn’t run over the other options you’re already running. Goblin Bushwhacker , Goblin Ringleader , and Moggcatcher can be cut as well. You don’t have enough gobos unless you recruit them and it’s not worth a slot in the deck for that synergy. Finding another card draw would be much better. Bushwhacker isn’t necessary; you just have more efficient ways of winning. I think even Boggart Shenanigans could be cut as it’s somewhat redundant and slows the deck down.
If you find yourself going infinite pretty quick (which is the goal obviously) Apex of Power will get you there. It’s easy to cast (sometimes just with a ritual or hymn) and should finish the game for you. Aggravated Assault is pretty standard for Krenko combo as well.
You already have most of the cheap rocks aside from Grim Monolith , so I’d probably add that one. Also Final Fortune and Last Chance are essentially Time Walk for a deck that really just wants another turn to finish the game. Anger is a better haste enabler than Ogre Battledriver and you can add Cathartic Reunion to give you another discard outlet.
I think as a guideline for straight combo decks, a card should answer a few basic questions:
Does this card help me win, and if so, how fast is it compared to the rest of the deck? (ramp, lands, tutors, card draw, turns)
If this is a combo card, is it the most efficient one I can run? If it’s not, is it worth having the redundancy?
If it’s not a combo card and it’s not helping me win faster, why is it in the deck? (Meta, utility, maybe some recovery)
I’m sure there’s something I missed but hopefully this is useful to you.
3 months ago
You'll probably want as much Ramp as possible for this theme.
Isochron Scepter is also a must. You'll probably also want to drop in Dramatic Reversal. You can make copies of Isochron Scepter with a different imprinted spell on each copy by using Copy Artifact, Copy Enchantment (use it on Copy Artifact) and Sculpting Steel.
You might also find this theme fun to combine with taking extra turns. Blue has a LOT of extra turn spells but, red also has a few however, they are a little more difficult to use because you lose at the end of the extra turn unless you have a way to stop the extra turn before the end step such as using Sundial of the Infinite. The red extra turn spells are:
- Final Fortune which, is the best of the 3 since it is an instant and can be imprinted onto Isochron Scepter
- Warrior's Oath
- Last Chance
Galvanoth is an interesting creature that could work with this deck.
5 months ago
First of, thumbs up on your youtube channel: it's in my opinion some the best commander content available on the platform!
The issue with these two is that once somebody has seen the deck win a single game, none of the one-eyed partners live to see two turns... Knowing this, I built my version based on pure chaos to virtually and politically protect them, with an artifact subtheme which allows me to have a nice tutoring package for Krak's Thumb (something you mentionned in your last video I think).
I'm also using as many Hive Mind effects as I can to win games with certain extra turn spells like Last Chance or Final Fortune, which fit the spirit of the deck quite well. I wouldn't advise somebody to do this though, it's not the most efficient way to win a game (but then again, we're still playing coin flipping commanders)...
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