Commander 2016 Spoilers!
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Posted on Oct. 24, 2016, 10:53 a.m. by Phaetion
Silas Ren? SIDAR KONDO?! A legendary angel from New Phyrexia that SCREAMS superfriends? Partner mechanic? Sign me up!
Tyrant-Thanatos says... #2
Mildly disappointed by Breya to be honest. Two artifact sacs for one of those effects just doesn't seem like a good deal at all. It effectively forces a token or combo based strategy, which is a shame.
Definitely going to be buying the Atraxa product though.
October 25, 2016 2:14 p.m.
Saskia is really growing on me. I'll wait until the decklist comes out, then I'll get to work.
October 25, 2016 2:28 p.m.
RedUndead40 says... #6
Tyrant-Thanatos, completely agree. Ive been building a Sydri, Galvanic Genius artifact synergy deck for a while and was hoping that Breya would just take her place and add red.
But she's 100% combo based. Otherwise she requires too much upkeep for minimal effects...
Too bad. Was really looking forward to her.
October 25, 2016 2:42 p.m.
RicketyEng says... #8
Pair Breya with Mycosynth Lattice and any token generator to get your easy supply of artifacts.
October 25, 2016 2:52 p.m.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor says... #9
O_o Oooo Deepglow Skate. My Part of the Ship, Part of the Crew deck just got a new toy!
October 25, 2016 2:52 p.m.
Deepglow Skate in a B/W flicker deck with some friends... And with friends like Venser, the Sojourner, Elspeth, Knight-Errant and Tamiyo, the Moon Sage, who needs any MORE enemies?
October 25, 2016 3:06 p.m.
Also, while you're at it, have a look at my attempt to break the legacy format:
October 25, 2016 3:06 p.m.
LittleBlueHero says... #14
Breya listens to her Panharmonicon all day long while sending out thopters to do her bidding.
Yes she is combo focused, but I think the previous poster (sorry to lazy to go back a page and quote) was right on when they said they were going to build thopter tribal.
Search out panharmonicon and drop all the artificers all day long. Play along side Thopter Spy Network optimal results :)
October 25, 2016 3:15 p.m.
LittleBlueHero says... #15
Basically she seems designed perfectly to fit with the Kaladesh themes and abilities. Run artificers with fabricate and take advantage of Panharmonicon and Marionette Master along side Disciple of the Vault... I keep thinking of more things to put in the deck lol.
October 25, 2016 3:17 p.m.
Plus; Silas Renn and Hanna, as well as Remember the Fallen and Fortuitous Find can easily get any artifacts you sacrifice back...
October 25, 2016 3:26 p.m.
ShishkyBob says... #17
Use Thopter Assembly--create thopters, sac thopters, create more thopters. Gets better with Panharmonicon. Throw in Conjurer's Closet to bounce Breya, Etherium Shaper or any of the artificers/rogues like Whirler Rogue, Experimental Aviator, etc. Use the Thopter Foundry + sword of the meek combo. With Sword of the Meek, some way of producing constant tokens (Conjurer's Closet or Followed Footsteps and anything that creates at least four thopters like Thopter Assembly or a Panharmonicon'ed Whirler Rogue, Pia and Kiran Nalaar, etc) and Time Sieve, infinite turns.
It's a bit janky, but that's the kind of deck I love.
October 25, 2016 3:28 p.m.
ShishkyBob says... #18
There's also the standard Ashnod's Altar + Nim Deathmantle infinite combo that happens any time a creature creates at least two tokens when it ETB. Infinite mana, infinite thopters.
October 25, 2016 3:38 p.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #19
I am sorry that I need to ask, but, in the context of this game, what is "superfriends?" Many users here have mentioned it, but I am not familiar with that term.
I am so glad to learn that Chromatic Lantern shall indeed be in this set, as I predicted, because that card is essential for any multicolored deck. The reprint of Beacon of Unrest is also very nice, especially with the new artwork, and I hope that the other beacons shall be reprinted, as well.
Wow, I can hardly believe that Rebecca Guay has illustrated new cards for this game! Is anyone else excited about that? I am disappointed that they are merely basic lands, but thuis is still a significant occurrence, since she has not illustrated anything for WotC in many years. I do hope that this means that she shall still illustrate for WotC on occasion.
October 25, 2016 4:01 p.m.
Superfriends is a deck archetype that uses a ton of planeswalkers and ways to abuse them.
October 25, 2016 4:05 p.m.
Superfriends is a planeswalker focused strategy i believe..
October 25, 2016 4:05 p.m.
Okay, firstly, I never knew that superfriends (a deck full of planeswalkers, DemonDragonJ) had so many fans. Everyone is hyping the hell out of Atraxa.
Secondly, the artwork on that skate. It's hypnotic. I love it.
Thirdly, combos. Why.
October 25, 2016 4:08 p.m.
RazortoothMtg says... #23
DemonDragonJ: Superfriends is a deck consisting of an excessive amount of planeswalkers. Basically a deck winning by jamming out walkers and making a ton of tokens or using their OP ults.
Also, I do hope the beacons get reprinted. Especially Beacon of Tomorrows. Because that thing is insanely powerful. I really think that if the non-white(?) deck's general is cascade as many predict, then I would love all the beacons in those colors to repeatedly cascade into.
October 25, 2016 4:11 p.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... #24
Hanna, Ship's Navigator and Iroas, God of Victory confirmed.
October 25, 2016 4:36 p.m.
Eh. It's alright.
For some reason, it's giving me conspiracy 2 flashbacks. Anyone have an explanation?
October 25, 2016 4:56 p.m.
So I'm pretty sure that there won't be a Cyclonic Rift reprint. Thanks Coastal Breach!
October 25, 2016 5:15 p.m.
RedUndead40 says... #27
Im guessing both Stonehoof and Iroas will be coming with Saskia. Man that deck already seems mean.
October 25, 2016 5:31 p.m.
Wooooot! Hanna with that amazing art!! Buying whatever deck that is in
October 25, 2016 5:39 p.m.
wargodmogis says... #29
Stonehoof is ok, but for most decks, I'd probably prefer another overrun affect creature
October 25, 2016 5:54 p.m.
I want that Stonehoof for my Xenagod deck. Hydra Omnivore + Wild Pair with haste enabler? yes please.
October 25, 2016 6:17 p.m.
SwaggyMcSwagglepants says... #31
Can we take a moment to appreciate "Assault Cinder-Horn"'s foreign edition cards creature type?
Elemental Boi
October 25, 2016 6:30 p.m.
If Saskia's deck doesn't have Inferno, I'm not buying it. That's all there is to it.
October 25, 2016 6:46 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #33
So, if I understand this correctly they're making an allied pair and an enemy pair of mythic commanders with Partner, and they're making a rare enemy commander as well. Maybe I'm missing it, but the article seemed like it didn't say whether the rare enemy legends with Partner would necessarily be the same enemy pair as the mythic, did it?
October 25, 2016 7:25 p.m.
MindAblaze: I am going to assume it is the same enemy color pair. As this would give you 3 options for the commander of the deck, which is what all the other decks had, except the mono red one, I think it had 4.
- The allied color mythic and the enemy colored mythic
- the allied color mythic and the enemy colored rare
- the 4 color mythic.
October 25, 2016 7:49 p.m.
AwezomePozzum says... #36
Zedruu?
Anyway, I'm preordering the Atraxa, deck and I'm gonna upgrade it and make it a even better deck, let's go. I just don't know wether to do Superfriends(Expensive), Infect(My friend's idea, not my playstyle), Control(Janky?), or classic counters. Input?
October 25, 2016 8:05 p.m.
AwezomePozzum says... #37
Shit, it didn't work. Getting the link instead.
http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/zedruu-the-greathearted/
October 25, 2016 8:06 p.m.
Tyrant-Thanatos says... #39
@BS-T Thopter Foundry's thopters were blue.
I take it Zedruu is in the group hug deck then. Not really that surprising I guess.
October 25, 2016 9:09 p.m. Edited.
Nightdragon779 says... #40
Is no one freaking out over Kydele? Or did that already happen... Andthe Hedron converge dude - umm new mikaeus infinite combo :D You'll need a sac outlet but whatever
October 25, 2016 9:31 p.m.
So, we got new generals for tiny leaders. Every 3 color combination that includes black can run two commanders in that format. The White-Blue partner general will determine if we see 4-color in tiny leaders. If that happens we'll have access to all-but-green, and all-but-red. Thoughts anyone?
October 25, 2016 10:35 p.m.
rockleemyhero says... #43
Oh my goodness. Conqueror's Flail will be definitely play testedin my Rafiq of the Many, competitive deck
October 25, 2016 11:36 p.m.
SwaggyMcSwagglepants says... #44
Is it just me, or is Sidar Condo just a house with at least half of these partner commanders?
October 25, 2016 11:59 p.m.
miracleHat says... #46
I am super surprised that Firebones675 is the only other person that sees infect with Atraxa. Yeah yeah yeah, she can do superfriends pretty well... But think of this scenario:
Turn 1 Noble Hierarch
Turn 2 Plague Stinger/Flensermite/Blighted Agent
Turn 3 Atraxa. 2 poison counter, proliferate to 3 counters
Turn 4 Phyresis/Glistening Oil onto atraxa. Almost literally ANY pumpspell (Consume Strength to kill the Fog Bank), and they are dead from 10 infect.
The reason why the above situation is so absurd is that there are at least 10 different variations on this exact scenario. By turn 3 have an infect creature + atraxa. Turn 4 give atraxa infect (Phyresis/Glistening Oil) which is really easy since you are in W/B and can tutor enchantments and win. She has flying and deathtouch. Add trample and you get the trample deathtouch combo, and sticking with the theme: infect. Lastly: she is in the colors that best support infect, keeping your general alive, and making sure that your opponent cannot do anything.
This card outclasses (in almost every regard) mono-black skithiryx decks. This is just a bit slower than Rafiq decks, but has the added consistency that black provides. This combo's faster than the u/r/w/b artifact general that was just released. This will interact with opponents more than the Sasika decks due to blue > red.
This card is insane. The quickest competitive deck is infect, but this could easily replace Leovold, Emissary of Trest in stax deck, with the added bonus of being a wincon all by itself. And yes, for all of the casual players, this is doing stuff in superfriends.
Watch out for infect. It will be fucking furious to go against.
And yes: I am making it.
October 26, 2016 1:05 a.m.
miracleHat says... #47
Also: the partner idea is a GREAT idea. WOTC just poorly implemented it. The only partner that is worth anything is Tymna the Weaver + Kydele of Kruphix. None of the other partner general cards can synergize with each other: and hybrid decks are really sketchy. Note: the color combo of those two partners are the exact same as Atraxa. That precon will be in HIGH demand for those 3 legendary creatures alone.
October 26, 2016 1:10 a.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... #48
Atraxa + Ichor Rats = Everyone vs you now. Lol.
October 26, 2016 1:39 a.m.
miracleHat says... #49
Using Ichor Rats as the wincon in a stax varient would be so fucking unreal.
Stasis + a way to pay for it + Ichor Rats (great sac fodder) + atraxa...
October 26, 2016 1:42 a.m.
Murmuring Bosk reprint? I'm kinda hoping not.. because I just bought one. :(
DarkLaw says... #1
The new art for Beacon of Unrest.
I wonder, what deck could it be in? My (wishful) thoughts were that it was in the nonwhite deck, as the fact that it gets shuffled in means that you can cascade into it many times. It may also be in the artifact deck because of the artifact clause, but those are the only ones which seem likely.
I assume that Chromatic Lantern is in all of the decks. I'd be shocked if it were not.
October 25, 2016 2:13 p.m.