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Creature — Zombie Troll
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: Regenerate Loleth Troll
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Lotleth Troll Discussion
5 days ago
It should also be noted that activating an ability (or casting a spell) to regenerate a creature puts a regeneration shield on it, and needs to be done before the creature would be destroyed (as you did in your scenario). The shield isn't used, and the creature isn't removed from combat, until the time it would be destroyed. Both creatures deal the damage at the same time, and when state-based actions are checked immediately after, the attacking creature is destroyed for being dealt damage from a source with deathtouch, and your Lotleth Troll is regenerated (tapped, removed from combat, and damage removed) for both having a regeneration shield active and having been dealt lethal damage.
5 days ago
So I know how Regenerate works. You pay the cost, remove all damage from the creature, tap it, and remove it from combat. My problem is that I can't find a definitive answer for a creature who is currently in combat.
Suppose I have Lotleth Troll out. It is my opponent's turn and they swing with something big and nasty. I block with my Troll and I play Coat with Venom for the Deathtouch. However, I also don't want my Troll to die, so I tap another Swamp and pay the Regenerate cost. This goes onto the stack.
So we get to the combat damage step. Damage goes onto my opponent's creature, and damage goes onto my Troll. The damage is more than enough to kill my Troll, and so he would be destroyed. However, his Regenerate cost was paid. So I tap him, remove the damage, and remove him from combat.
Since I removed him from combat, does this mean I no longer kill the creature my opponent was attacking with? The Damage is already on the stack and was marked with Deathtouch, but now the Troll is removed from combat.
So my question ultimately boils down to: If I remove my creature from combat after damage goes on the stack, does the damage get removed also?
1 week ago
Ok, so I'm a fairly major competitive discard lover, and there are some fantastic tools in black and black green you should look at. First and foremost Collective Brutality- It protects you in the earlier turns and fuels the yard in a really efficient way. Lotleth Troll and Zombie Infestation could similarly provide earlt game blockers. You have two options deciding graveyard creatures, big hasty win game now creatures, or creatures with an etb so large it tilts the board in your favour. Pick one or the other, as it will lend the deck consistancy. I'd either go all in on gaea's revenge and Craterhoof Behemoth/Timbermare or Massacre Wurm/. If you go for etb creatures Impromptu Raid is worth a look, although it might still be slow. Vengevine decks exist in this format. Unburial Rites is traditional for ressurection and a lot of combo decks run it. Delirium Skeins and Raven's Crime can help soak up your opponents control package and leave room for duress in the sideboard.
On that note, acceleration. Pentad Prism leaves mana open for instants and accelerates to 4 mana t2. Sakura-Tribe Elder will get lands and be sheoldredable should you need to hard cast stuff. Elves of Deep Shadow will help soak up creature removal before you spend multiple cards to get Path to Exiled, and get those key cards cast.Card advantage tools like Phyrexian Arena will be neccesary when an opponent has a hand of Negate/Cancel/Chronomaton/Path to Exile.
1 week ago
Lol I know the feel man. I'll try to list some more cards, counters were my favourite thing when I first started magic lol. Most of the cards I'm listing are fairly inexpensive too :)
I think grave shinanagins are a lot of fun too lol..
I could probably make an endless list lol....
1 week ago
I think you might want some sort of discard effect to get some of those high casting cost creatures into your graveyard for reanimation.
As a fellow Meren player I approve of your deck. Sadistic Hypnotist is an excellent control card, especially against blue decks that don't use a lot of creatures.
2 weeks ago
Charioteer I'm not sure how I feel about Lotleth Troll in this deck. It's ability isn't and ETB ability and that makes him less appealing in my opinion, but if anyone else likes him they can always add him into their own deck if they want to build it. railwaystation I agree with you mostly. I like both Sekki, Seasons' Guide and Tarmogoyf. I'm not sure where I should put Sekki though and Tarm is a bit too expensive for my tastes.
3 weeks ago
Alright so I'm still very much a noob to deck building, but if I had to make a suggestion it would be Necroplasm. You have a lot of high CMC creature so most will be safe. Many of the creatures you have that are 3CMC of less you either want to die anyway like Viridian Emissary, or have ways to regenerate (Lotleth Troll) or sacrifice (Sakura-Tribe Elder). It kills itself of course, but the dredge lets you put more stuff in your graveyard so unless it's exiled, you'll always have it on hand to clear the board of little guys. Plus it kills all tokens the turn it comes out. Avenger of Zendikar won't like that, but not everything can work together perfectly all the time.
4 weeks ago
Thanks skoobysnackz! Grim Flayer is perfect for this deck. I love Lotleth Troll but for the same mana cost Grim Flayer will provide a lot more control. I haven't played MTG since Modern Masters 2013 so I have a lot of cards to look through if I'm going to start working on decks again. Thanks again for the card suggestion! I'll definitely work it into the deck.