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Lotleth Troll Discussion
1 day ago
I had decided to start on my second Tiny Leaders deck (After all, I finished my last one two days ago!) and decided on Anafenza, as I had most of the cards in her color (Still missing Tarmogoyf, Dark Confidant and Liliana of the Veil though, ouch) and I thought about potential graveyard shenanigans I could use.
Then the most ridiculous notion crossed my mind.A reanimation card so dreadful it has recursion in its name and has been banned since the inception of commander.What if I could play that card?
So I opened the Tiny Leader banlist, hit up Ctrl + F, and typed in the dreaded words: Recurring Nightmare.
0 results found. Completely legal in Tiny Leaders!
So yeah, play Recurring Nightmare. Enjoy having a card that permanently enables you to swap whatever creature you have in play with the best creature in your graveyard for 2B any time you could cast a sorcery.
Also, I wouldn't run Slumbering Dragon as odds are you simply won't be attacked 5 times in one game. Most of the damage you will take will be from yourself as you put pressure on your opponent. And now that you took out Varolz you can't scavenge him either (Not that you would want to scavenge the counters on that dragon over something sticky like Lotleth Troll.)
Forcefield also seems a bit too defensive for your deck. Wouldn't you rather tap 3 mana for a huge threat than a defensive deterrence?
Oh, and for some reason I completely forgot to recommend Fauna Shaman.
1 day ago
So I did some searching on MtG Top8 for a list of Elf decks that did well in a tournament. Note that these are mostly from small events, but that's probably what you're looking for. Also note that Deathrite Shaman and Green Sun's Zenith have been banned in Modern, so some of these decks may require some modification. Here's the list:
- Elves! by Brandon Ridgway
- U/G Combo Elves by eyalorel
- U/G Combo Elves by Schmidt Philipp
- Elf Ball by Spanos Giorgos
- Chord of Calling Elves by Daniel Padilla
- Chord of Calling Elves by __SipItHolla
- Elves by Alexander Beiersdorfer
The main ones I think you should look at are the U/G versions that use Beck / Call to draw a ton of cards and chain elf creatures together. It's a much more powerful draw engine than Zameck Guildmage and Lorescale Coatl because your opponent can't prevent you from drawing cards by killing your creatures. Once you resolve Beck / Call, any time a creature comes into play, you draw a card. In comparison, your opponent can Lightning Bolt your Lorescale Coatl in response to its ability before you can get the +1/+1 counter.
I will say that the deck you linked looks fun. I love Zameck Guildmage. There was this really cool Sultai deck when he was still legal in Standard that used Cloudfin Raptor, Young Wolf, Strangleroot Geist, Rapid Hybridization, and Lotleth Troll to make a really cool draw engine that pumped out large creatures. For reference, here are two versions of that deck:
These two decks are out of date since they rotated out of Standard, but they're also still viable in Modern, especially if you're playing in a more casual environment. The main additions would be Pongify on top of Rapid Hybridization, fetch lands, and Tarmogoyfs.
1 day ago
1 day ago
The reason I didn't suggest him is that you start at 25 life in this format, so he might be too slow. I'd give him a shot though, imagine putting 13 +1/+1 counters on your skullbriar (Only to scavenge it over to another creature later) or Lotleth Troll.
2 days ago
Isn't it questionable to play Rain of Gore in a deck that runs both Sword of Light and Shadow and Courser of Kruphix? Neither of the lifegain triggers are may abilities. If it's a meta call (Someone running Soul Sisters and/or a lifegain deck, then go ahead, maybe sideboard it though?)
I'm also not sure if you should be running Young Pyromancer with 11 sources. Especially when you try to cast many of those t1 / t2 before the pyromancer is in play. If it's working out for you then be my guest, but seemed like it might be replaceable with a stronger card for this deck.
The new Flamewake Phoenix also seems awesome in this deck. Nyxathid, Skullbriar, Scavenging Ooze, Tarmogoyf and Vexing Devil trigger Ferocious (and swords help a lot too). Maybe cut the Goblin Guide for it? (It seems a tad out of place in this deck.)
Imagine T2 Tarmo, T3 Grisly Salvage / Wayfinder, mill tarmo up to 4/5, then playing Flamewake Phoenix from your grave and swinging.
Eternal Witness can also be used and recurred to reuse your cards.
Skullbriar, the Walking Grave doesn't retain his +1/+1 counters in your hand, while Audun returns the card to your hand. I see no other way to reanimate Skullbriar or abuse his +1/+1 counters either. Might not be the best fit for this deck unless you add some reanimation.There IS however a card that synergizes awesomely with so many of the above cards though, Varolz, the Scar-Striped, as the Skullbriars +1/+1 counters add over to the scavenge! Also goes ridiculously well with Nyxathid, Tarmogoyf and Vexing Devil.
Now, while I'm ranting about these cards, another popular card in this kind of deck is Lotleth Troll as it's ridiculously hard to get rid of and goes well when you'd rather want a creature in your graveyard than your hand (For example Bloodghast or Flamewake Phoenix).
At this point Entomb may also be worth running.
Hope you found some inspiration in my huge rant.
2 days ago
Well, the first thing I noticed was that Noble Hierarch is better than Avacyn's Pilgrim. If you have the cash and the land base, I'd actually recommend keeping the black for Abrupt Decay, Dark Confidant, and Lotleth Troll, who might be a decent budge replacement for Goyf. Pack Rat is another option, although honestly I prefer the Troll.
3 days ago
Thank you very much. And i did know about Damnation and I didn't add it because of its over $40 price tag. Also I can regenerate a Thrun, the Last Troll, Lotleth Troll, or Golgari Grave-Troll way late in the game while wrathing everything else if needed or able. Squee, Goblin Nabob is pretty cool. I'm not sure whether or not its work splashing for. And I do understand now why Crucible of Worlds is good with Smallpox. I'm not sure if they should be in main board or not. It's one of those things I'll have to find out once I get the deck and start making tweaks to it. Again, thank you for all your help!
3 days ago
Alright for my earlier suggestions Spellskite can be mainboard or sideboard it doesn't really matter, because it really helps to keep your creatures from being removed, and most decks pack at least a little removal mainboard, meaning it isn't a wasted slot. Beyond that, with Noble Hierarch you can pay for the blue so it won't always cost life, and since its ability works for any spell, it can also change the target of your opponents buff spells such as enchantments when facing bogle decks, or Splinter Twin which is a tier 1 modern deck.
Wilt-Leaf Liege would be a mainboard card, and is just to help get through damage to finish the game, since many of your creatures are both colors they get +2/+2. It can also be quite useful along with Loxodon Smiter when against Liliana of the Veil, who is in many black decks like 8-rack or other discard based strategies.
Ethersworn Canonist is great against any deck that isn't affinity that likes to play many spells a turn. delver decks have taken a bit of a hit, but there is still storm, RDW, zoo and many other aggro decks that rely on multiple spell casts per turn. It is also worth noting that with AEther Vial you are less affected by this since you can essentially play two spells per turn, which does inhibit you quite as much.
Leyline of Sanctity is a sideboard choice that stops burn, mill, discard, and any other decks that rely on spells that target you as the player. mono-red, and mono black both have no access to enchantment hate without having to splash.
Torpor Orb is another sideboard card that stops soul sisters, Splinter Twin, and death and taxes from getting any effects from creatures entering the battlefield, which is the core of all three decks. other decks that use ETB affects from creatures will also be affected by this card.
Linvala, Keeper of Silence would be a mainboard choice to stop opponents from using activated abilities, which affects Sakura-Tribe Elder (popular Scapeshift card) and would also affect cards like Scavenging Ooze, Lotleth Troll (who may see play with Golgari Grave-Troll being unbanned), Spellskite, and many more cards.
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|Avg. draft pick||1.14|
|Avg. cube pick||13.03|
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- Golgari Thug + Lotleth Troll
- Death's Shadow + Lotleth Troll + Varolz, the Scar-Striped
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- Hell's Caretaker + Lotleth Troll
- Deadbridge Goliath + Jarad's Orders + Lotleth Troll
- Blood Scrivener + Lotleth Troll
- Lotleth Troll + Vengevine
- Bloodghast + Lotleth Troll