Sorry this isn't CMC <1 Kess, but I need help anyway...

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Posted on Oct. 24, 2018, 2:23 p.m. by BMHKain

You may have found out about a pattern of things involving my decks. Well, I'm currently making a Cube for them in the far future- Okay the punchline is...

Mind, Individualism, & Emotion. The ideas of BMH.

Commander / EDH* BMHKain


Right now, I don't even have much of a mana base, though I can handle Rocks. Lands are another issue in this case. I actually wanted to make it the Same Way as my Superfriends Deck. I think that even needs some help if you want to...

But there is another issue; the balance between Instants & Sorceries, & which are best in this case. I already have stuff that can do broken effects. But some require Exiling, which I have none of for retrieval; so I decided to use stuff that Exiles right away. I have a Doomsday combo in the works, I'm thinking of replacing w/ Time Spiral, & other effects w/ Exile side effects. That said, These are my 2.5 problems w/ such a deck, & I apologize for the overuse of such cards. Hopefully I can handle my last two decks for my Cube.

So... Any ideas? Thanks for all this help so far! :)

EDIT: Changed the commander to Kess, Dissident Mage, so I'd like some grave manipulation as well. That is, if that's Kess' BnB... (Ponders...)

BS-T says... #2

Sorry - you can't Isochron Scepter a Flood of Recollection, it's a Sorcery... Out of interest though, it would work otherwise. The original is already exiled by imprint and IS produces a copy which exiles itself on resolution.

October 25, 2018 8:28 a.m.

BMHKain says... #3

(Didn't pay attention to that... X/)

Well, any suggestions for what to cut though? Maybe I should replace Army of the Damned for Rise from the Tides? What else could be needed? Also, does Remand work the same way as Unsubstantiate?

October 25, 2018 8:58 a.m.

Iehovah says... #4

Neither Remand nor Unsubstantiate would allow the card's effect to happen, it would be considered countered either way.

October 25, 2018 2:02 p.m.

BMHKain says... #5

@Iehovah: Even when the effect is resolved, I can't use either? If so, What options do I have for returning cards into hands before they exile themselves?

October 25, 2018 2:24 p.m.

enpc says... #6

BMHKain: You don't have any. Your only option is to cast the spell, let it go to exile as part of the resolution and then fish it back out of exile from there. And there are like 2 or so cards that can do that, Pull from Eternity and Riftsweeper, none of wich are in your colours.

But here are no cards which let you actively counter part of a spell in the way you're describing.

October 25, 2018 11:18 p.m.

BMHKain says... #7

Fair enough. I at least replaced Time Spiral w/ Temporal Cascade due to this. That said, can one combine Fuse effects, Entwine Costs, alt. Costs like Awaken, etc.? That would be great as I currently have Breaking / Entering...

October 26, 2018 10 a.m.

BMHKain says... #8


Maybe my 10 CMDR deck cube should be 11... I mean, I could Flicker Riftsweeper w/ Eldrazi Displacer to get my Exiled things back...

But I need a third color; has Time Magic, & Exileable Timetwister effects. has Expulsive Draw, & has at least something about this to a degree... A 5 color deck that can support Reversed Exile; all at huge mana. But what commander to use for? Sadly that's for another time... Any ideas for cuts for my Jeleva Deck though...?

October 26, 2018 10:52 a.m.

BMHKain says... #9

Update, it seems Kess, Dissident Mage is better than Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge now. The Commander will be changed w/ Instants & Sorceries intact. Since her effects come from the Grave; & exiles, I'll focus on using more "Exile this Spell" effects... But how should I do it?

October 27, 2018 9:11 a.m.

enpc says... #10

I mean you can focus on looking at how many spells were exiled and all that or you can just get value out of double playing spells and call it a day.

But if you do care about exile count, have a look at some of the new GRN izzet cards.

October 27, 2018 7:07 p.m.

BMHKain says... #11

@enpc: Well, my Commander in question in this case is now Kess, Dissident Mage, so I'll thake the following into mind:

Beacon Bolt

Crackling Drake

Expansion / Explosion

Invert / Invent

Enhanced Surveillance

Mission Briefing

Omnispell Adept

Connive / Concoct

Discovery / Dispersal

Mnemonic Betrayal

Thought Erasure

Thief of Sanity

Vicious Rumors

Doom Whisperer

Cosmotronic Wave

Electrostatic Field

Experimental Frenzy

Dream Eater

Artful Takedown

(Basically anything w/ Surveil *...)

But I also need a way to protect my yard, now I use Kess. Isochron Scepter/Elite Arcanist. But how does a Kess Storm deck work? I have to cast things from my yard; & I'd like to keep at least some of my best stuff (CMC 6 >=.); after converting from Jeleva; all while having Instants/Sorceries of high cost. Any ideas as to How I can do that, enpc?

October 27, 2018 9:12 p.m.

BMHKain says... #12


I just wonder how a Kess Storm works... I have Thousand-Year Storm, but aside from Surveil stuff, I dunno how to use Kess' ability properly. & I don't want to use just cheap stuff as well... Advice?

October 29, 2018 8:58 a.m.

enpc says... #13

Kess storm just works like any other storm deck, except that you get extra value from being able to wheel and then play something from your yard. She's super powerful as well since you can play something like Yawgmoth's Will from your yard on the turn you storm out.

Unfortunately Thousand-Year Storm will work best with lots of cantrips and cards like Turnabout. Then just play a Hella copied Lightning Bolt or something.

October 29, 2018 9:25 a.m.

BMHKain says... #14

@enpc: What about the expensive to cast stuff that gets wheel'd? I was planning to throw in stuff like Exilible Extra Turn Spells, Worst Fears, & other notable High CMC Instants/Sorceries? I'm actually unsure about Enter the Infinite now...

October 29, 2018 10:28 a.m.

enpc says... #15

Enter the Infinite is a trap for casual players. It's not worth running in 99% of decks. If you can generate 12 mana+ mana to draw your deck and play a bunch of stuff, you should have combo'd out. I mean it's fine in a casual setting, but is bad the better your deck gets.

As for big spells in general, you should be playing someone like Riku of Two Reflections to get extra value from playing one or two big spells per turn. Storm is on the opposite end of the spectrum - lots of small spells to snowball value.

October 29, 2018 7:29 p.m.

BMHKain says... #16

Hmm... Well, I guess that means I'm cutting a ton of things in general then. Obviously, Worst Fears, Expropriate, among others are out. That said, I'll see what else I can cut...

October 30, 2018 8:52 a.m.

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