Brudiclones Mirror Army

Commander / EDH* IATEAREPUBLICAN

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Graudo says... #1

I am no competitive EDH player, but from what i can see a good start may be removing the 3cmc mana rocks that you are running with cheaper ones: Talisman of Creativity , Mind Stone , Fellwar Stone are some you might want to consider. In cEDH are played a lot less lands than normal in favor of very cheap mana rocks like Mana Vault , Mana Crypt and Mox Opal .

You might be interested in Rite of Replication and Quasiduplicate . Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker seems good.

Also if you really want to be competitive you surely will run all the cheap counters like Force of Will or Pact of Negation and also you will have to remove all the lands that enters the battlefield tapped with off-color fetches or with utility lands.

I do not know how much competitive you want your deck to be, but if you are a returning player and do not know about https://edhrec.com you want to check it out.

Hope to have helped.

November 25, 2019 8:29 p.m.

Graudo thanks for the feedback brotha! You've got a great point with running cheaper mana rocks. I can easily drop Thran Dynamo and Darksteel Ingot and Izzet Cluestone for cheaper rocks. I'm trying not to run too many duplication spells. I would rather draw into them than have too many. I have 4 as of now so I think its pretty even. Quasiduplication, even though it's slower than Cackling Counterpart, would be a good replacement due to it's cheaper flashback cost. I actually dropped Kiki already because he costs more than my other duplicators, but he would be a great pick otherwise. Rite of Replication is the same, more expensive, and the Kicker can be slightly too redundant i think. That might be bad reasoning on my part though lol. I definitely need the lands fixed, but I will likely keep this list and grab the fetches as I get the money for it. Wont be able to drop all the money at once for this deck unfortunately. Mana Drain is killer enough lmao. But Forge of Will and Pact will make their way into this deck somehow for sure. Again, thank you for the advice! I'll also look into edhrec as well!

November 25, 2019 9:47 p.m.

Actually I wanted Thran Dynamo and not Gilded Lotus.

November 25, 2019 9:56 p.m.

K1ngMars says... #4

What about Jaya's Immolating Inferno or Comet Storm instead of Banefire ? It lets you kill more than one opponent at a time with the Ashnod + Locust God + Skullclamp combo.

November 26, 2019 4:13 a.m.

Qolorful says... #5

I am wondering if by the competitive edge you mean that you want to be playing cEDH, or just that you want to optimize Brudiclad. If you want to play a competitive deck, Brudiclad will have a hard time with that at best. Just optimizing Brudiclad, however, is a much easier task. You already are looking fairly good.

My main suggestion other than the staples you have had suggested already is Dockside Extortionist . A lot of value on a two mana body.

November 26, 2019 8:28 a.m.

K1ngMars dude thank you so much. I was explicitly searching for a card that deals x damage to all opponents or a number of players more than one. I couldn't find one so I settlednfor Banefire because, at least in a 1v1 setting, its a perfect finisher. However I will definitely be playing multiplayer EDH and you have me exactly what i needed! Thank you man!

November 26, 2019 12:59 p.m.

Qolorful honestly, the term 'optimized' better describes what I'm going for than 'competitive'. I want something that is focused and resilient. Not necessarily anything that will combo out on turn 3 or 4. If I wanted that I should be playing Thrasios or something. But an optimized Brudiclad is 100% what I'm aiming for, thank you for defining that. Dockside Extortionist is a solid recommend. I'm gonna take some time today to switch my maybe board into my main board. Should be pretty easy because all these recommendation are an explicitly better version than something I'm running already. Thank you again!

November 26, 2019 1:25 p.m.

WickedlyRested says... #8

Have you considered other mana rocks like Fellwar Stone , Arcane Signet , or Mana Crypt ? Also, is there any reason for not running Command Tower ?

November 26, 2019 2:03 p.m.

WickedlyRested lmao I actually didn't realize I forgot Command Tower. That's a dumb oopsy on my part, thanks for catching that!

I skipped out on Mana Crypt because I actually killed myself with a Mana Crypt years ago and its been a salt card ever since. Arcane Signet is a good option. Fellwar Stone is good too. Honestly, I dont wanna drop anymore mana rocks so I need to find other cards to swap out. Any cards in here that you find rather underwhelming?

November 26, 2019 2:14 p.m.

Personally I don't think you need Expedition Map or Idol of Oblivion . In this deck map is basically a 3 drop mana rock, which you've been trying to cut back on, and as for the idol: you're in blue there are plenty of better card draw options. Options such as Blue Sun's Zenith , Rhystic Study , or even Consecrated Sphinx , and as for the token creating abilities of the idol, I feel like there are much better uses for 8 mana than a 10/10 beater with no abilities.

November 26, 2019 2:36 p.m.

@WickedlyRest you're 100% right. Idol is super slow. Same with Map. I'll swap out Map for Fellwar Stone. Or do you think Thought Vessel would be better? Ive already dropped Blue Sun's as I've got Stroke of Genius. I guess its not bad to have both but I'm trying to take it easy on all thr blue Mana symbols because I already have a lot and I'm worried that mana fixing might be a problem. Definitely down to switch Idol for either Rhystic Study or Consecrated.

November 26, 2019 3:06 p.m.

I'm under the belief that card quality is better than quantity, you shouldn't need more than 7 cards in your hand at a time. I would go with the Fellwar Stone for the colored mana. A sometimes overlooked thing with blue suns is that with infinite mana and a few draw spells you can draw your deck, put Blue Sun's Zenith back, draw it, then mill the table out one by one. You just need a way to draw it again for each opponent, like Ponder or Preordain . Its an infinite mana outlet that has more mid-game utility than Comet Storm in my opinion. Lastly, I would recommend Rhystic Study over Consecrated Sphinx , as you can land it much earlier, it'll slow the good players at your table down, and will punish the less good ones by letting you draw cards; also it draws slightly less threat.

November 26, 2019 3:23 p.m.

WickedlyRested you make so many good points thank you so much. Blue Sun's is a sick combo finisher but unfortunately, my "infinite" mana is actually pseudo infinite. Eventually i would mill myself out with Skullclamp before i could produce enough mana to mill each of my opponents out individually. I basically have as much mana as my library allows. Which is why i opted for Banefire as my finisher originally, which is now Jaya's Immolating Storm. I NEED to fit in Force of Will and Pact of Negotiation now to make sure this works. I have Ponder already, but Preordain is a good one to fit in! I'm glad that I had the same thought process with Rhystic vs Consecrated. And you make a good point on Fellwar vs Thought Vessel. I have Reliquary Tower anyway. Dude thank you for your input!!

November 26, 2019 6:16 p.m.

Aye quick question that I've been wondering about. Say I have a 1/1 Thopter token or any weak token for that matter. If I throw an Octopus Umbra on that token, proceed to combat, then make all my tokens copies of the enchanted token, do my tokens become 8/8s with the tap effect or are they 1/1 Thopters?

November 26, 2019 6:24 p.m.

The copies would only be 1/1 Thopters:

Quote from Comp. Rules » 706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s characteristics ... The “copiable values” are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, card type, subtype, supertype, expansion symbol, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by “as . . . enters the battlefield” and “as . . . is turned face up” abilities that set characteristics, and by abilities that caused the object to be face down. Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.

As for the pseudo-infinite combo, have you considered adding a truly infinite one?

November 27, 2019 9:29 a.m.

I would also recommend a wheel effect or two, just because their great card draw and can really mess up your opponents (the downside being that you can accidentally help your opponents, I'd use them as a political tool). Cards like: Echo of Eons , Jace's Archivist , Time Spiral , Windfall , or the OG Wheel of Fortune .

November 27, 2019 9:46 a.m.

Last_Laugh says... #17

Legion Loyalist makes for a surprisingly effective finisher here. First Strike, Trample, and tokens can't block (out of nowhere thanks to haste) for only gets the job done with a big token army.

November 27, 2019 10:43 a.m.

WickedlyRested thank you for clarifying that for me. I was under the impression that Octopus Umbra would straight up overwrite the text and damage/life values on the token but it seemed a lil too janky to be true. That's an easy drop now, for me to add Time Spiral or something. I specifically like Time Spiral cause VALUE. Windfall will make it's way in probably as well, because its a lil cheaper cost and I could possibly get more than 7 cards out of it.

As for infinite combos, my very first EDH deck ever was a Maelstrom Wanderer deck, and it had some fun infinite combos. I loved them and eventually built a Ghave deck that was focused purely on going infinite as soon as possible. Because of this i got bored of infinites, I'm not focused on infinite combos, nor will I be actively or specifically trying to set them up mid game. I went through that phase already and got bored of it. Some of my buddies got tired of it too and i dont blame them. I have a couple implemented in this deck, but its more of a "Oh, i just happen to have these certain cards on the battlefield. Now I play this card. You don't have an answer? Well now I've gone infinite. GG." If it happens, it happens. I built this deck not to combo off, but for some flavorful shenanigans that just synergizes well with itself. That's my reasoning as to not adding them. Ive done it so many times that it lost its fun, which is why I play the game in the first place: to have fun!

November 27, 2019 1:37 p.m.

last Laugh dude i forgot about that guy! I used to run him in a weenies deck back in the day. Pretty solid suggestion and its some good hate against the mirror token deck matchup! Thanks for the recommendation!

November 27, 2019 1:40 p.m.

Last_Laugh sorry dude that last comment is for you and it tagged some random account.

November 27, 2019 1:41 p.m.

Lmao due to card suggestions, in 2 days this deck went from being a $600 dollar deck to close to $1000

November 27, 2019 1:59 p.m.

theartision says... #22

Orochi Hatchery may be a good cheap card to add in if you have mana to spare as it makes a LOT of targets for Brudiclad to turn into other, more powerful tokens.

December 1, 2019 6:19 p.m.

The only other adjustments I would make would mostly be lands. Have you considered Academy Ruins instead of Buried Ruin? Its repeatable. You also might consider cutting some of your colorless lands for the rest of the fetches in your colors: Arid Mesa , Bloodstained Mire , and Misty Rainforest .

Have you tested Spell Swindle? it seems like its kind of slow, and might be better as just a cheaper counter like Counterspell or Negate instead.

December 2, 2019 7:30 a.m.

CRKFIEND says... #24

Commit / Memory is a great cancel or removal spell stapled to a wheel. I recommend it in any deck that can house blue, it's kind of a pet staple.

Approach of the Second Sun is a good alternate win con. It doesn't really further any strategy with Brudiclad, but it can end a stalemate which can be nice.

Smothering Tithe can produce treasures which can be used as mana, and can be turned into dudes with Brudiclad, or you can turn your other tokens into treasures. It's neat.

... Also, please do me a fave and burp that guy back up. We need him in 2020.

December 2, 2019 2:03 p.m.

CRKFIEND, not to be that guy, but how is Brudiclad, Telchor Engineer supposed to play white?

December 2, 2019 2:52 p.m.

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