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Just think of Ashen Rider as an evil magic act.
"Awww you love Mutavault don't you?"
"What's that? You exiled my Stormbreath Dragon with Detention Sphere?"
"Oh, you've got a 12/12 Desecration Demon? Sure, I'll sac a creature to tap him.... AND THEN EXILE HIM!"
I have fun with living end, but alas i am a control player at heart. UWR control doesn't seem to be my cup of tea, i tried it and eh, but melira pod seems to be pretty control ish as well as being damn good. I also love playing a challenging deck, and multiple articles I've read say pod is very difficult to play. That's why i play esper in standard lol so many critical decisions, i revel in that!
Ultimate Price , not Doom Blade ... black creatures are so prevalent with MBD, but the thing that makes Ultimate Price work is that since RTR will be rotating out somewhat soon, multi-color creatures are on the wane. The other option- keep the two doom blades, sideboard them out, and two Dark Betrayal into your deck accordingly.
If you drop Inkmoth Nexus, Phyrexian Vatmother, and Skithiryx then add a Rogue's Passage , 3x Swamp, and 3x Phyrexian Obliterator you'd stand to make them not want to attack you at all in general as well.
WovenNebula- I haven't put it up at a FNM yet. Meta here dictates I'm probably going to turn it into an anti-control deck following the first round. I play some casual games with family, and they've got some pretty tricked out decks... I managed to tease out the Rider using the Oracle/Rescue combo (as planned) on one of these family games. The next turn, they drew removal (Hero's Downfall)... and I Rescued him again via hard cast. They certainly paid tribute on that Oracle when he rescued the Rider. In the end, they lost five permanents to exile, a wasted removal spell, and their love for me.
I'm gonna try and get ahold of AoT, sunnyosrego, but we'll see. I wouldn't mind a fourth Ashiok, honestly. He's done ALOT of work in games.
@Mirrid Your deck is quite similar to mine, have you play tested it and what were the results? I think he has potential not in a hyper aggressive deck but a controlling type deck that you sit back and relax while your oponent is not able to do anything or play anything and if they do whoops its exiled. @TheNinjaJesus Thats an interesting take on him in standard I like the originality that went into it, as I always ask have you played it out and how well did ashen do?
Thanks for the feedback Kale64. I added some Heroes' Reunion based on your comments. I also removed the 2x Naturalize and added 1x more Qasali Pridemage, and added one more Rhox Faithmender, and I removed the 2x Pacifim to make room.
As for the Ghost-lit Redeemer, I wanted a quick, and cheap life-gain that is a creature, so it can be there when I get a Sublime Archangel. Also, I seem to get a lot of opportunity to tap one plains and tap Ghost-lit for life each turn.
The reason I've left the 2x Deadly Recluse is so that I have something with reach and deathtouch. They are great cheap pawns and an amazing deterrent against several more expensive creatures.
it cantrips itself, so it's not that much of a loss. I see it as a way to totally tap out, you shouldn't be giving up better plays to play a 1 CMC that does nothing, but it is there for when you have that 1 mana left.
I think it is fine in this particular deck, since devotion matters.
I try to playtest beyond the top 8 and figure out what card(s) can totally screw my deck. Once that's figured out, I decide how heavily to side against them depending on how much I foresee them being played. For example, Extirpate
totally kills my one deck, but since it isn't a form of grave hate that sees all that much play (in legacy), I side against the ones that do more heavily, even though Extirpate
is a much bigger threat. And when choosing the anti-hate, I try to pick things that hit other decks too, to serve a dual purpose.
Once the problem cards are covered satisfactorily, I devote whatever spots are remaining to the top 8 builds. I think it's more important to cover my weaknesses than to increase chances against matches I might never see.
One thing that has me baffled is why you have Eidolon of the Great Revel which has a double red cost in the side board as an answer to really fast decks. If that's your answer to them, with your manabase, you might die before it can hit the field. I'd suggest either adding in some fetches, or swapping it out for something more playable, like Chalice of the Void . There's only 6 cards in here that produce red, because you aren't running Burning-Tree Emissary so casting it early enough without fetches could present itself as a problem.
While testing the deck against a few top tier 1 decks in modern it did very well on not letting them able to play anything, keep in mind this is without sideboards being used that it exceed at, I will have to more thorough play testing and changes by adding iona etc..
@BLEATH I have constructed a deck a lil while back and here it is below. I understand that doesn't compare to the version with emrakul since that is more of in your face and your dead, this version that will change would be more controlling just for mere fun tho it is kind of evil removing your enemies lands and probably throw iona in there and stop them in their tracks from doing anything and killing them rather than just stomping right off like a burn deck.
Preeminent Captain only provides 1 devotion, compared to say Elite Inquisitor. Not that it's the wrong choice, but just to playtest it a bit because it doesn't really add enough devotion if that's your reasoning for more Captain of the Watch.
It all depends on whether you want to go Modern or Standard. From what you're describing, you seem to want to go Modern. If you look at my deck, Call of the Underworld, you'll see a viable strategy for getting the Rider out by turn 4 or 5. The strategy employed there, though, could be employed for any super-huge creature, like, say, Borborygmos Enraged , or Colossus of Akros . Still, though, I totally dig the Rider, and that was the creature I wanted to feature.
I'll admit my knowledge of Legacy is almost nil, but I could see Whip of Erebos as a replacement for Ashenmoor Liege because it brings creatures back and the lifegain from your creatures could be a nice boost if needed.
You are not missing something, I misread the card. On that note, Worldspine Wurm is infinitely more appropriate. I love Terastodon personally. That's up to you. Another underappreciated card IMO is Liege of the Tangle .
@Epochalyptik: That is actually incorrect (rather unusual, I know!). Deicide checks for God-ness based on the card it exiles as it exists in exile. If it checked as they exist on the battlefield, Gods with insufficent devotion would not be extracted. Mutavault is a land (and not a creature) in all zones other than the battlefield, so it will not be extracted by Deicide.
From the Journey into Nyx release notes:
Deicide looks at the card in exile, not the permanent that was exiled, to determine if it is a God. For each of the Gods in the Theros block, it won't matter what your devotion to its color(s) was. The card is a God card when not on the battlefield.
I personally would use Phalanx Leader and Launch the Fleet since you'll be able to keep the tokens and grown them with phalanx leader and archangel etc.. Spear of Heliod I wouldn't use since there is so so much enchantment hate you'd be better off with Hall of Triumph . Dictate of Heliod would be too costly mana wise to in here since its weenie and you want to curve out as low as possible killing your enemy by overwhelming them. Akroan Horse I am not sure how i feel about him being in this deck since white weenie now thanks to journey to nyx has more options that can help you like Aegis of the Gods , Fiendslayer Paladin , Angelic Accord , Brave the Elements or the one thats similiar to brave the elements that targets individual creatures for protection. Fiendslayer would continue your life gain, angelic accord would further that with more tokens in place of akoan horse and if you wanted you could use Godsend but I like the deck thus far and these are my opinions so take what you would like out of it.
I kind of threw together a brain dump of cards to consider for a deck running Ashen Rider. It's really any other deck that cheats out the big guys, except it's just a list of cards that I'd toss in the deck and not an actual constructed deck with time put into it. Big Scary Monsters
It replaces Angel of Despair in many people's sideboards for dealing with Show and Tell . I could see it at $8 someday, but that's going to take a few years (a decade wouldn't surprise me). Pick them up while they're cheap, but don't stock up on them like they're the next Dark Confidant .
Please, make this changes if you want a competitive deck, because this deck has no chance in a tournament :
There is more cards to replace, but i don't make the deck for you, so search about competitive decks for you see better cards
You already have Brave the Elements , which is pretty useful right there. what it really gets down to is what mono-white deck you're trying to go against. Tokens? Something along the lines of Sublime Archangel (for you) and Lightmine Field , or Ghostly Prison . A deck similar to your's would also probably hurt from that. if you are wanting prevention from hate bear, enchantment disruption is your best bet usually. specific decks? not sure, would need examples.