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Gidgetimer on How does Intimidate work?

14 hours ago

Color identity only matters in EDH deck construction or if an effect specifically references "color identity". In all other cases color is used, color is any colored mana in the casting cost plus any color indicators (Dryad Arbor) or characteristic defining abilities (Transguild Courier) that define a cards color. Color can also be modified by static effects from permanents such as on Painter's Servant or Mycosynth Lattice.

Elodie0422 on What would happen if I …

14 hours ago

Gidgetimer thank you!

Gidgetimer on What would happen if I …

14 hours ago

As long as the Beastmaster Ascension has 7 or more counters on it, your populated hydras would survive as 5/5s. If the Ascension ever leaves play or has less than 7 counters on it, they would die due to having 0 toughness.

xenosapien on How does Intimidate work?

15 hours ago

Shu Yun is only blue in that sense - as you said, the EDH "color identity" works differently and is only defined in the Commander Rules, it does not exist in the game rules of Magic itself.

in almost all cases, the color of a card is determined by its mana cost. a "golden" multicolored card or card with hybrid mana (i.e. orzhov black/white) is ALL of those colors, for example.

TypicalTimmy on How does Intimidate work?

20 hours ago

Intimidate is an old keyword mechanic that says the creature with it may only be blocked by creatures who are either:

  • 1.) Artifact creatures
  • 2.) "Share" a color with it

In 99% of cases, this is very easy to determine. If I equip Executioner's Hood onto Borborygmos, only artifact creatures (regardless of being colorless or not) or creatures who are in-part at least or .

But what about on a creature such as Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest?

Does the game look solely at the colors of his casting cost, meaning only creatures who contain , or are any colors within Jeskai able to block him, as he has an activated ability that costs ?

Basically what I am hung up on is a creature's "color" versus what a Commander's "color identity" is.

Because Shu Yun is considered Jeskai, are creatures who contain any of the 3 colors allowed to block?

Or, does Intimidate only care about color(s) within the casting cost?

Elodie0422 on What would happen if I …

23 hours ago

Im building a Zaxara, the Exemplary deck and was wondering what would happen if i played Full Flowering with Beastmaster Ascension in play. Lets assume i already have a hydra token in play, with 0/0 power and toughness but with some amount of +1/+1 counters. I know that full flowering will only copy the base level power and toughness of a token and not the counters. Would the copies be 0/0 and die or are they 5/5s because of Beastmaster Ascension?

Gidgetimer on Norin the wary

1 day ago

The requirement on legendary sorceries is only a casting requirement. Once the spell is cast it doesn't matter if your legendary permanent continues to be on the battlefield.

-Orvos- on Norin the wary

1 day ago

Nevermind on the second question..... My brain instantly figured that out 1 sec after posting...

-Orvos- on Norin the wary

1 day ago

Simple question that im pretty sure I know the answer to but I just want verified. Can Norin the Wary be used to cast legendary sorcery spells like Urza's Ruinous Blast or does his vanishing before resolving unchecked the requirement?

On a side note... Is there even a way to kill Norin???

vic on Does "Entwine" count toward CMC?

1 day ago

Thanks. That's what I thought.

Gidgetimer on Does "Entwine" count toward CMC?

1 day ago

CMC is the total of the mana symbols printed in the top right of a card (or along the left side of the art on Future Sight borders). Additional costs like entwine or alternate costs like overload do not change a card's CMC.

vic on Does "Entwine" count toward CMC?

1 day ago

My opponent has a Gaddock Teeg in play. Can I cast a Journey of Discovery with Entwine?

Rhadamanthus on Dredging When Drawing Multiple Cards

1 day ago

Skalle_the_Reckless: Answers to your question have been up for a while. Since there don't seem to be any follow-ups or corrections to be made, I marked one of them as the "Accepted answer" so that this topic can move out of the list of unanswered questions. Please remember to take care of this yourself in the future.

Rhadamanthus on Lutri + Strionic Resonator + …

1 day ago

Shalom: Answers to your question have been up for a while. Since there don't seem to be any follow-ups or corrections to be made, I marked one as the "Accepted answer" so that this topic can move out of the list of unanswered questions. Please remember to take care of this yourself in the future.

Caerwyn on Mutate interactions with Somberwald Sage …

2 days ago

You can use Somberwald Sage to cast a creature for its Mutate ability.

Mutate is not an activated ability, it is an alternate casting cost. Though it functions a bit differently than a regular creature spell, the rules for Mutate specifically clarify that the targeted, mutate spell is still a "creature spell."

As such, you have satisfied both of Somberwald Sage's requirements--you are casting a spell and that spell is a creature spell.

Likewise, Sprite Dragon will not trigger off a mutate creature spell.

702.139a Mutate appears on some creature cards. It represents a static ability that functions while the spell with mutate is on the stack. “Mutate [cost]” means “You may pay [cost] rather than pay this spell’s mana cost. If you do, it becomes a mutating creature spell and targets a non-Human creature with the same owner as this spell.” Casting a spell using its mutate ability follows the rules for paying alternative costs (see 601.2b and 601.2f–h).

Moghedien123 on Mutate interactions with Somberwald Sage …

2 days ago

So my first question relates to Somberwald Sage and if you can use its ability to pay for mutation cost (eg. Insatiable Hemophage mutate cost 3, Now i have read the EDh on gatherers website about Somberwald Sage and I am pretty sure I cant ,as mutate seems closer to an activated ability. But I just want clarification if I am right that I cant do this.

My second Question is that if Somberwald Sage doesnt work how does Sprite Dragon interact with mutate, (i.e. does Sprite Dragon count mutate as a Creature spell. Again I am inclined to say he does as only creature have the mutate ruling .

I know this seems a bit obvious but I am developing a mutate deck and wanted clarification on some of the interactions could work ,maybe ? (i.e. use Somberwald Sage ability to mutate Insatiable Hemophage onto Sprite Dragon etc.

Thanks for your Help

Kind Regards

Moghedien123

DemMeowsephs on Kalamax Infinite Combos

3 days ago

Oh wow those are all great ideas too! Much appreciated mate! Thanks!

Polaris on Kalamax Infinite Combos

3 days ago

A bit late, but there are a few other ways to do this. One is to set the loop with another copy effect (for example, Swarm Intelligence, Riku of Two Reflections, or Dualcaster Mage). Of course, it's not Kalamax copying the effect but it'll still put an arbitrary number of +1/+1 counters on it (and/or kill the table with Ral, Storm Conduit).

The second is trickier. You tap Kalamax . . . and then you wait. The moment your opponent casts an instant or sorcery, drop your copy spell and go infinite. It's not as splashy as doing it in combat, but there's something glorious about springing an infinite combo as a trap.

Rhadamanthus on Is menace two separate instances …

3 days ago

It depends on exactly how the ability is written. Since Infiltration Lens says "becomes blocked by a creature", yes, it will trigger twice if the equipped creature gets blocked by 2 creatures. If we're talking about something that just says "becomes blocked" like Alley Grifters then no, that would only trigger once regardless of how many creatures blocked it.

If an effect from a spell or ability blocks something without using any creatures (Dazzling Beauty, Trap Runner, etc.) then "becomes blocked by a creature" abilities won't trigger but "becomes blocked" abilities will trigger.

DeinoStinkus on Is menace two separate instances …

3 days ago

So when a menace creature becomes blocked, will any abilities on it that trigger when it is blocked trigger an additional time?

Asking because I would like to add Infiltration Lens to my Yennett, Cryptic Sovereign deck and want to know if it will indeed draw me four cards upon Yennett becoming blocked. In addition, does an effect that blocks a creature without a creature blocking it count as a creature blocking it?

Kogarashi on Can Chromatic Orrery trigger color …

3 days ago

Spending as though it was doesn't change the fact that it's colorless, not red. Adamant would not apply.

From the Gatherer rulings for Slaying Fire:

  • Adamant effects check what mana was actually spent to cast a spell. If an effect allows you to spend mana “as though it were mana” of any color or type, that allows you to spend mana you couldn’t otherwise spend, but it doesn’t change what mana you spent to cast the spell. (2019-10-04)

Additionally, colorless is not a color, so you can't spend mana as though it were specifically .

Polaris on Lutri + Strionic Resonator + …

3 days ago

Walking through it step-by-step, here's how it happens:

  1. Cast Dramatic Reversal
  2. Cast Lutri
  3. Resolve Lutri; it enters the battlefield
  4. Lutri's ability triggers, targeting Dramatic Reversal
  5. Activate Strionic Resonator (tapping Mana Vault to pay the cost with left over), targeting Lutri's ability
  6. Resolve Strionic Resonator's ability, putting another Lutri trigger onto the stack targeting Dramatic Reversal
  7. Resolve Lutri trigger copy, putting a Dramatic Reversal copy onto the stack
  8. Resolve Dramatic Reversal copy, untap Resonator and Mana Vault
  9. At this point the stack has Dramatic Reversal and the Lutri trigger left. You can now loop steps 5–8, gaining a man each time.

Polaris on Does Grip of Chaos stop …

3 days ago

The main thrust of this question has already been answered, but I'd just like to add that while Grip won't stop Zada from copying the spell (she's already triggered by the time Grip changes the target), it will retarget all the copies. You'll end up with as many copies of the spell as you have creatures, but all of them will be targeted at random—they'll stack up in weird ways and probably won't all be aimed at your own creatures (for most pump spells).

Polaris on Can Chromatic Orrery trigger color …

3 days ago

As far as I know, the “you may spend mana as if it were mana of any color” line on Chromatic Orrery is unique. What I want to know is this: If you spend as, say, while casting Slaying Fire, will this count for the adamant requirement, or will the game still see it as you having spent ? In other words, does the "as if" just mean it can fulfill costs of any color, or does the game treat it as basically transmuting the mana when it's spent?

As a related question, will this let you spend colored mana on OGW costs, since colorless isn't technically “any color”?

joeexotic on Do I decide what order …

4 days ago

Thank you so much!

Tylord2894 on Does Grip of Chaos stop …

4 days ago

Neither Posibility Storm nor Grip of Chaos stop Zada. So, you will be able to copy your Crimson Wisps with Zada. You can do this without stack your triggers in a specific way.

First, the Grip of Chaos trigger will go on the stack at the same time as Zada's triggers (shortly after you cast a spell that targets them). Like with your Possibility Storm example, you can order the triggers so that Zada's trigger resolves first. In this case, when the Zada trigger resolves, there will be a bunch of Grip triggers since several spells were put onto the stack. Normally, things don't trigger when you copy a spell, but Grip triggers when a spell is put onto the stack.

Now, why don't you need to worry about stacking the triggers? For starters, Zada's trigger doesn't target that spell that targets Zada, so it won't fizzle. Also, there is no "intervening if" clause in Zada's trigger (i.e. it isn't written "when you cast a spell, if it only targets Zada, ..."), so it won't check to make sure the spell is still targeting Zada when the trigger resolves (which is important for the Grip situation). Lastly, Zada's trigger functions a lot like the Storm trigger on cards like Grapeshot. Even if the original spell ceases to exist, the trigger "remembers" the traits of the original spell and makes its copies. Zada's trigger will do that too, so you don't have to stack the Possibility Storm trigger to resolve after the Zada trigger.

Hope this helps!!

Gidgetimer on Does Grip of Chaos stop …

4 days ago

Grip of Chaos, Possibility Storm, and Zada, Hedron Grinder will all trigger from the same event when you target Zada. No matter how you stack the triggers you will always get the copies from Zada's ability.

ThePoisonMuse on Does Grip of Chaos stop …

4 days ago

When you cast a spell that targets Zada, Hedron Grinder with Possibility Storm on the battlefield you can stack the triggers so that you get all the copies before Possibility Storm replaces it. Can I do something similar with Grip of Chaos? Like if I cast Crimson Wisps targeting Zada, Hedron Grinder would I still be able to draw all the cards?

Tylord2894 on Do I decide what order …

4 days ago

Yes, you will decided the order of those triggers.

Whenever multiple triggers would enter the stack at the same time, they are put onto the stack in active-player-non-active-player (APNAP) order. If a player has multiple triggers to put onto the stack (like in your example), that player decides what order those triggers are put onto the stack.

Hope this helps!!

Daveslab2022 on Do I decide what order …

4 days ago

I’m not a judge but do play competitively.

To the best of my knowledge, you absolutely choose the order. Just make sure you stack them in reverse order of how you want them to resolve (First in = last out)

So you want to stack noetic scales first so it will resolve last, then Wheel of Torture, and finally the Bottomless Pit.

I hope that makes sense- the stack is quite literally a “stack” of abilities- like a stack of magazines, you have to pull off the top few to read the bottom one.

joeexotic on Do I decide what order …

4 days ago

I have Bottomless Pit, Noetic Scales, and Wheel of Torture all out at the same time. Each of them has a "during upkeep" trigger. Since I control the cards, do I get to decide what order they trigger for my opponent? So can I make sure that he discards a card first, then takes damage, and then returns creatures to his hand?

Thank you!

DeinoStinkus on Dredging When Drawing Multiple Cards

4 days ago

Yes, similar to how Toothy, Imaginary Friend gets 7 +1/+1 counters when Overflowing Insight resolves. Also, it looks like your question has been answered, so please mark one answer as accepted answer so it doesn't appear as unanswered.

Rhadamanthus on Mesmeric Orb interaction h

4 days ago

Yes. Siege Rhino returns to your control during the very last step of your opponent's turn. That means you control it when your turn begins and you untap everything. Mesmeric Orb will trigger.

likasumbody on Mesmeric Orb interaction h

4 days ago

Hi,

My opponent has Mesmeric Orb on the battlefield. On his turn he casts Kari Zev's Expertise, takes control of my Siege Rhino and attacks me.

Question is, on my upkeep do I have to mill a card due to Mesmeric Orb once Siege Rhino is returned to me?

Thanks!

goldlion on "In response to that spell …

4 days ago

Thanks folks!

Bababad on chulane + sudden substitution

5 days ago

Thought so!

Thanks for the clarification

Neotrup on "In response to that spell …

5 days ago

An opponent wouldn't be able to do anything about Angel's Grace, but they would still be able to respond to the first spell one Angel's Grace resolves, such as by casting Counterspell targeting the Command the Dreadhorde or casting Ravenous Trap to make it less effective.

Caerwyn on "In response to that spell …

5 days ago

Whenever a spell resolves, the Active Player (the player whose turn it is) gets priority. They are permitted to cast spells or pass. If they pass, the next player in the order has the option of casting a spell, etc.

That is to say, when a spell resolves there is a chance to cast another spell, even if the stack is not empty.

goldlion on "In response to that spell …

5 days ago

Recently we played a game where a interesting situation on the stack came up that raised an important question for me.

I can't remember the first spell I cast, but I held the priority and cast Angel's Grace. For the sake of conversation, let's pretend the first spell was Command the Dreadhorde (because that's part of the reason I have Angel's Grace in the deck). An opponent said, "when Angel's Grace resolves, I cast this".

Someone else asked a question about this and split second, but I thought we need something to respond to, and spells resolving didn't count.

In short, can players respond to the resolution of a spells on the stack? Or does the spells resolution have to cause triggers or effects for people to have something to respond to?

BrennanH on Double strike and deathtouch blocked …

5 days ago

Thank you for the clarification.

Gidgetimer on chulane + sudden substitution

5 days ago

The creature would no longer be a legal target and the ability would fizzle.

Gidgetimer on Double strike and deathtouch blocked …

5 days ago

Yes, you dealt 12 damage to him. When assigning damage you must assign lethal damage to each creature in the damage assignment order before you can deal damage to the next creature or trample damage. Deathtouch makes any amount of damage lethal. A second combat damage step is created any time a creature with first strike or double strike is involved in combat. There is no difference if all, some, or none of the damage from the first combat damage step was blocked.

510.1c A blocked creature assigns its combat damage to the creatures blocking it. If no creatures are currently blocking it (if, for example, they were destroyed or removed from combat), it assigns no combat damage. If exactly one creature is blocking it, it assigns all its combat damage to that creature. If two or more creatures are blocking it, it assigns its combat damage to those creatures according to the damage assignment order announced for it. This may allow the blocked creature to divide its combat damage. However, it can’t assign combat damage to a creature that’s blocking it unless, when combat damage assignments are complete, each creature that precedes that blocking creature in its order is assigned lethal damage. When checking for assigned lethal damage, take into account damage already marked on the creature and damage from other creatures that’s being assigned during the same combat damage step, but not any abilities or effects that might change the amount of damage that’s actually dealt. An amount of damage that’s greater than a creature’s lethal damage may be assigned to it.

510.4. If at least one attacking or blocking creature has first strike (see rule 702.7) or double strike (see rule 702.4) as the combat damage step begins, the only creatures that assign combat damage in that step are those with first strike or double strike. After that step, instead of proceeding to the end of combat step, the phase gets a second combat damage step. The only creatures that assign combat damage in that step are the remaining attackers and blockers that had neither first strike nor double strike as the first combat damage step began, as well as the remaining attackers and blockers that currently have double strike. After that step, the phase proceeds to the end of combat step.

702.19b The controller of an attacking creature with trample first assigns damage to the creature(s) blocking it. Once all those blocking creatures are assigned lethal damage, any excess damage is assigned as its controller chooses among those blocking creatures and the player or planeswalker the creature is attacking. When checking for assigned lethal damage, take into account damage already marked on the creature and damage from other creatures that’s being assigned during the same combat damage step, but not any abilities or effects that might change the amount of damage that’s actually dealt. The attacking creature’s controller need not assign lethal damage to all those blocking creatures but in that case can’t assign any damage to the player or planeswalker it’s attacking.

702.19c If an attacking creature with trample is blocked, but there are no creatures blocking it when damage is assigned, all its damage is assigned to the player or planeswalker it’s attacking.

Bababad on chulane + sudden substitution

5 days ago

if I were to respond to a spell by targeting a creature I control with Chulane, Teller of Tales and then in response use Sudden Substitution swapping that same creature with the desired spell, would that creature still bounce to hand upon resolution or would the ability fizzle because that creature is is no longer a legal bounce target?

BrennanH on Double strike and deathtouch blocked …

5 days ago

So I had gotten my new commander Kathril, Aspect Warper out and all key words aside from first strike. When I got to attack with her, she was a 12/12 with indestructible, double strike, trample and death touch.

My friend blocked with 12 3/3 flying tokens. Would I have dealt any damage to him?

Also he thought they were 1/1 flyers and was saying that because he blocked the full damage of the first strike phase, my creator didn't get its normal striking phase and the only way it could have was if it had first strike in addition to its double strike.

Gidgetimer on Do tokens hit the graveyard?

6 days ago

Tokens hit the graveyard and then cease to exist. They don't go to exile from the graveyard. The relevant rule is CR 111.7.

111.7. A token that’s in a zone other than the battlefield ceases to exist. This is a state-based action; see rule 704. (Note that if a token changes zones, applicable triggered abilities will trigger before the token ceases to exist.)

captain_deano on Do tokens hit the graveyard?

6 days ago

So I have Kresh the Bloodbraided in my Najeela, the Blade-Blossom edh deck, so there’s a lot of little tokens being generated. So my question is do tokens hit the graveyard before going to exile? If so, what’s the official ruling? Thanks to any and all answers!!

Tylord2894 on Mogg Infestation + Soul Warden

1 week ago

You will gain 1 life for each token that enters the battlefield.

When an effect references "whenever a/another creature [does something]", there is a trigger for each individual creature that did that something. Soul Warden is a prime example of this kind of trigger. Other triggers reference "whenever one or more creatures [do something]". A trigger like this would only trigger once from Mogg Infestation.

Hope this helps!!

IdRatherBPlayingYuGiOh on Mogg Infestation + Soul Warden

1 week ago

If I use Mogg Infestation when I have Soul Warden on my field, do I gain 1 life for each individual "goblin token" summoned on my opponent's field? Or are all the tokens summoned at the same time in a single instance and I only gain 1 life total?

DemMeowsephs on Kalamax Infinite Combos

1 week ago

Oooh! That's a great idea too! Thanks!

Gidgetimer on Kalamax Infinite Combos

1 week ago

Or you could tap him another way. Like using Springleaf Drum to make the mana to cast the spell.