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Guizee on Swarm Intelligence copies

1 hour ago

Thanks a lot Rhadamanthus, milling in multiplayer EDH is painful so I need to copy my mill spells XD

Rhadamanthus on I cast open the vaults ...

1 hour ago

So you know: the reason it works this way is because you have to choose what the Aura will be attached to as it enters the battlefield, meaning before it actually gets there. At the time you need to make the choices in your example, Xenagos isn't on the battlefield yet either.

Rhadamanthus on Swarm Intelligence copies

1 hour ago

The answer to what you want to do is "Yes", but let's clear up some details just to make sure we're all on the same page:

A spell or ability only has targets if it specifically says so (sometimes the word "target" is hidden inside the full rules text for a keyword ability, like Equip), and Mind Grind doesn't have targets. That's okay, because Swarm Intelligence doesn't require the spell to be targeted in order to make a copy. It just gives you the option of changing targets if the spell actually has them.

In this example you cast Mind Grind, copy it with Swarm Intelligence, and then both the copy and the original will do what they say and make each of your opponents "grind" for X (a copy of a spell will also copy over any X value chosen while casting it).

Guizee on Swarm Intelligence copies

2 hours ago

Hi there,

I've been playing around Swarm Intelligence on EDH and been wondering that if I cast a Mind Grind, would I be able to copy this same spell and choose 4 oppenents as targets for the copy?

chosenone124 on Scion + Master of Cruelties

6 hours ago

You don't get the benefit of Flying though

chosenone124 on Scion + Master of Cruelties

6 hours ago

Correct Dracula

DRACULA150704 on Scion + Master of Cruelties

7 hours ago

Ok thanks- so I should transform Scion of the Ur-Dragon after attacks but before blocks?

chosenone124 on Scion + Master of Cruelties

7 hours ago

Neotrup is correct. I misread when you transformed Scion.

Neotrup on Scion + Master of Cruelties

7 hours ago

They will take 2 damage. If you instead declared the attack and turned Scion of the Ur-Dragon into Master of Cruelties, then they didn't block, that would kill them. Master of Cruelties ability triggers during the declare blockers step after blockers are declared just before any player receives priority, so in order for it to trigger it must already be on the battlefield in that form when blockers are declared.

Neotrup on Adarkar Valkyrie vs Licid

7 hours ago

Your answer was at least correct, even if the reasoning was a bit off.

chosenone124 on Scion + Master of Cruelties

8 hours ago

If this connects, they will die.

This is a well known interaction between Alesha, Who Smiles at Death and Master of Cruelties. There isn't a significant difference between that and the Scion technique you mentioned.

DRACULA150704 on Scion + Master of Cruelties

8 hours ago

I was wondering if I played Conspiracy chose the creature type dragon then attacked with the scion and a 1/1 human token. after my opponent declared no blocks I turn the scion into Master of Cruelties. Will my opponent die or not?

vomdur on I cast open the vaults ...

10 hours ago

Thanks! I can't believe I forgot to just simply check that gatherer rulings >.<

Boza on Adarkar Valkyrie vs Licid

10 hours ago

I should look at gatherer text on older cards, I am sorry my answer was unhelpful.

Tyrant-Thanatos on I cast open the vaults ...

10 hours ago

From Gatherer Rulings: 10/1/2009 An Aura put onto the battlefield this way cant enchant an artifact or enchantment thats also being put onto the battlefield with Open the Vaults.

vomdur on I cast open the vaults ...

10 hours ago

I'm playing an enchantment based EDH deck.

Once i cast Open the Vaults all my enchantments come back to the field.

I have Xenagos, God of Revels and about ten auras in the graveyard.

When they all come into play Xenagod will have enough devotion to be a creature but will i be able to attach the auras to him? when do the state based actions happen and is there an order to them?

DRACULA150704 on Gideon's defeat?

10 hours ago

Oh, sorry just realised that it was designed to be used on Gideon Jura or Gideon of the Trials

Tyrant-Thanatos on Gideon's defeat?

10 hours ago

Uh... Gideon Jura and all of his other incarnations turn into creatures that are still planeswalkers. That's how.

DRACULA150704 on Gideon's defeat?

10 hours ago

I was playing against someone with a Gideon's Defeat card and i couldn't understand how an attacking or blocking white creature could be a planeswalker.

beast_of_war on Does the rules of discarding ...

17 hours ago

Thank you both!

Rhadamanthus on Regernerating a sacrificed creature.

18 hours ago

To your follow-up question: On average, creatures used to be a lot worse than they are currently. At the time Masticore was printed it was very strong for a creature and showed up in dominant Standard decks for pretty much the entire time it was legal (for example: 1999 World Championship, 2000 World Championship). There were several ways to make large amounts of mana quickly in Standard, so its damage-dealing ability could kill pretty much any other creature good enough to be put into a deck, and the regeneration ability made it very hard to remove from the board.

Rhadamanthus on Does the rules of discarding ...

18 hours ago

When you're given an instruction to do something to a zone ("discard your hand", "exile target player's graveyard", etc.), it's shorthand for telling you to perform that action on each object in the zone. Bomat Courier tells you to discard each card in your hand as part of the cost to activate the ability. If your hand is empty then you'll end up performing the action on 0 cards. Raiders' Wake only triggers when your opponent actually discards a card, and nothing will happen if they discard 0.

DRACULA150704 on Regernerating a sacrificed creature.

18 hours ago

How is Masticore good enough to be in a FtV?

The_Epic_Dog on Double tokens with Mirage Mirror?

20 hours ago

Oh ok, thank you

Tyrant-Thanatos on Does the rules of discarding ...

20 hours ago

So the thing is, there's a difference between discarding your hand, and discarding a card. You always have a hand, but you don't always have cards in it. If a player is instructed to discard a card while they have no cards in their hand, they can't. So they won't lose two life from discarding a card because they didn't discard any cards. In fact, even if they discard their entire hand of 0 cards, they still didn't discard any cards.

Sulk on Quick rule question please

20 hours ago

Ah thank you. Glad to have that cleared up.

beast_of_war on Does the rules of discarding ...

20 hours ago

I recently asked a question: If you have no cards in hand, can you still activate Bomat Courier (discarding my hand and sacking, blah). The answer I was given was yes because I always have a hand even if is 0. My question is: With Raiders' Wake, does my opponent have to have cards in hand to discard in order for the damage to go through, or do they have the same "0 hand" stipulation? Thanks!

Tyrant-Thanatos on Double tokens with Mirage Mirror?

21 hours ago

Any time a card uses its own name in its text and doesn't otherwise specify, it is referring only to itself, not to other cards with the same name. You will only get a brick counter on the one you activate, and the second ability is looking for the number of counters on itself.

Examples of exceptions: Cylian Sunsinger, Demigod of Revenge, Myr Servitor

The_Epic_Dog on Double tokens with Mirage Mirror?

21 hours ago

If i have Pyramid of the Pantheon out and copy it with Mirage Mirror, when i activate Pyramid of the Pantheon's first ability, would i put a brick counter on both Pyramid of the Pantheon and Mirage Mirror, or just or just Pyramid of the Pantheon. also for it's second ability, is it the total amount of brick counters on all Pyramid of the Pantheons?

Raging_Squiggle on Quick rule question please

21 hours ago

Whenever an ability that has triggered references the permanent it sourced from, it can be read as [this card], so Aethergeode Miner can read like:

Pay : Exile [this card], then return it to the battlefield under its owners control.

pskinn01 on Quick rule question please

23 hours ago

Most of the time a permanent references itself by name, it means this permanent.

Neotrup on Adarkar Valkyrie vs Licid

23 hours ago

Yes, it does trigger. Even though Dominating Licid is no longer a creature, Adarkar Valkyrie's ability tracks the permanent it was targeting as it resolved. The Licid lost the type creature, but never left the battlefield, so when it was destroyed it was still the object slated for return. When it returns it will reenter the battlefield as a creature, not an enchantment.

TheDuggernaught on Quick rule question please

1 day ago

Just the attacking one.

Sulk on Quick rule question please

1 day ago

I have been wondering for a while now, what happens if you have two Aethergeode Miner s on the battlefield, and only one attacks, will both of their attack triggers trigger, or only the attacking one?

Boza on Adarkar Valkyrie vs Licid

1 day ago

Yes, because licids still are creatures after using their ability.

chosenone124 on Adarkar Valkyrie vs Licid

1 day ago

I control Adarkar Valkyrie and Dominating Licid. I activate the Valkyrie targetting the Licid. After this resolves, I activate the Licid enchanting something (the Valkyrie works I guess)

My opponent Disenchants my Licid. Does Valkyrie trigger?

BlueScope on Regernerating a sacrificed creature.

1 day ago

No, you can't prevent a creature from dieing from being sacrificed by regenerating it.

Regeneration only prevents a creature from being destroyed (either from destroy effects or lethal damage), not from dieing, and sacrificing doesn't destroy a creature.

DRACULA150704 on Regernerating a sacrificed creature.

1 day ago

I was wondering if i could spend to regenerate my Masticore so it doesn't die when i sacrifice it.

dragonstryke58 on Meren, Legendary Rule, legendary procs ...

1 day ago

Also as a side note:

Even if you were able to keep a second Meren of Clan Nel Toth say with a Mirror Gallery, if you used the Mirage Mirror to copy Meren of Clan Nel Toth on your end step, you still would not get the second trigger.

Triggers will not happen retroactively, so since the beginning of your end step has already past, the second Meren of Clan Nel Toth will not trigger her ability.

The latest you can use Mirage Mirror's copy ability for a triggered ability that triggers at the beginning of the end step is during the second main phase before entering the end step (assuming everyone else passes priority of course).

Rhadamanthus on Meren, Legendary Rule, legendary procs ...

1 day ago

Small side note about terminology: "Proc" isn't the best word to use when describing triggers in Magic. A true proc only has a certain percentage chance of going off when the given event happens, but triggers in Magic occur every time the event happens.

Eldrava on Meren, Legendary Rule, legendary procs ...

1 day ago

Thanks for the input, I think that's for the best. It would have been to strong to abuse it like that. Though fun!

Tyrant-Thanatos on Meren, Legendary Rule, legendary procs ...

1 day ago

The Legend Rule is a state-based action. It is checked any time a player gets priority, before they have priority, as soon as Mirage Mirror resolves, SBAs will be checked and require that the controller sacrifice all but one permanent with the name of the legend. So you wouldn't be able to get multiple triggered abilities triggering for a single legend that you copied.

Eldrava on Meren, Legendary Rule, legendary procs ...

1 day ago

If during the end step I tried to use Mirage Mirror to copy Meren of Clan Nel Toth, would I be able to proc a 2nd return at the cost of the Legendary Rule destroying my mirage mirror?

Also, if I did copy a legendary on my field and then something else, would the legendary rule still demand the destruction of a legendary of that name, at this point being the only one on my field.

Finally, could I proc other legendary affects on my field at the cost of mirage mirror? Or is this all undoable because the legendary rule interrupts any intended procs?

I imagine no, yes, no, but I couldn't find the first situation anywhere (though I'm on my phone) and figured I'd ramble my musings to you. Thanks for the help all!

BlackChaosRuin on Rampaging Ferocidon Triggers

1 day ago

Excellent, thanks.

Neotrup on Rampaging Ferocidon Triggers

1 day ago

Yes, Rampaging Ferocidon sees the other creatures enter and triggers 24 times (not 25, because it does say "another"). Your opponent will only take 20 damage, because once they hit 0 life they'll lose the game and exile the other 4 triggers still on the stack. They'll also lose control of any permanents they gained control of, such as if they Dominated one of your creatures, then all creatures they still control that they don't own (because the creature entered the battlefield under their control, such as your Rampaging Ferocidon that got reanimated by Grimoire of the Dead) will be exiled.

Rhadamanthus on can I get negative life ...

1 day ago

It's possible to have a negative life total, but not with this combination of cards alone. You can only use resources you actually have to pay costs. If you currently have 1 or less life then you won't be able to spend 2 life to pay for the in the cost of Immolating Souleater's ability.

BlackChaosRuin on Rampaging Ferocidon Triggers

1 day ago

In a 3-player game, one of my opponents is at 20 life and activates the second ability of Grimoire of the Dead. He brings back a total of 25 creatures, one of which is my Rampaging Ferocidon. Without any other relevant triggers, am I correct in saying that the Ferocidon will see each other creature enter the battlefield, and my opponent will take 25 damage and lose?

Follow-up to this, if in the above situation, one of my opponents was to leave the game whilst controlling permanents owned by myself and my remaining opponent, would those permanents be exiled, rather than return to our control?

Tyrant-Thanatos on can I get negative life ...

1 day ago

You can have a negative life total, and even still be in the game via Platinum Angel and the like.

However you cannot pay life you don't have. So if you have 1 or less life, you cannot activate the souleater by paying life.

Kyln on can I get negative life ...

1 day ago

I have Platinum Angel and Immolating Souleater in play, if I had starting life total how many times could I use soul eaters ability?