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sonnet666 on When Victimize returns a Sun ...

14 hours ago

Link all your cards please: Victimize, Sun Titan

Short answer: yes.

Long answer: The creatures are all sacrificed as part of Victimize resolving. Sun Titan's ability triggers at this time, but waits to go on the stack until Victimize finishes resolving. Once it does go on the stack the creature you sacrificed is in the graveyard, and you can target it with Sun Titan's ability so long as its CMC is 3 or less.

SirupyTuna on When Victimize returns a Sun ...

14 hours ago

If I cast Victimize and target a Sun Titan + whatever creature in my graveyard, then choose and sacrifice a creature with CMC = 3, can Sun Titan return the creature I just sacrificed?

chosenone124 on If you Fling a Thing ...

15 hours ago

I think Vraska here is right. The process of casting a spell, the last 2 steps are

601.2h The player pays the total cost in any order. Partial payments are not allowed. Unpayable costs cant be paid. (this is when creature gets sacrificed).

Since sacrifice's definition is "put it in the graveyard" Thing is in the graveyard now.

601.2i Once the steps described in 601.2ah are completed, effects that modify the characteristics of the spell as its cast are applied, then the spell becomes cast. Any abilities that trigger when a spell is cast or put onto the stack trigger at this time. So now we can trigger Prowess abilities. Since Thing is in the graveyard, Prowess won't trigger

Ishmrakul on Deathtouch and trample

16 hours ago

Thank you!

VraskaTheCursed on Deathtouch and trample

17 hours ago

Neotrup is correct. the way trample works is the following:

  • attacking player (you) choose how to assign combat damage, so you choose to assign any number of damage to blockers, and if enough damage to kill all of the blockers is assigned, leftover damage CAN (but doesn't have to) be assigned to a defending player or planeswalker.
  • deathtouch only requires one point of damage to kill a creature, so you CAN choose to assign one damage to the blocker and the rest of the damage your creature will do to the defending player/planeswalker

So, in summary, your best plan of action is to assign 1 damage to the blocker and 4 damage to the defending player, and both creatures die once combat damage is assigned.

VraskaTheCursed on If you Fling a Thing ...

17 hours ago

No, Neotrup, the prowess doesn't trigger because it's sacrificed before you actually cast the spell - this is because you can't cast a spell before paying ALL of its costs (in this case, these costs include the creature sacrifice). Similarly, since you don't cast Fling before sacrificing Thing in the Ice  Flip, it doesn't ever flip, and Fling will deal 0 damage (assuming no modifications to its P/T)

Neotrup on Deathtouch and trample

17 hours ago

Your choice! You are required to assign lethal damage to the creature, with any amount of damage from a creature with deathtouch being considered lethal for this purpose. You can choose to assign more if you want, and then any leftover damage (presumably 4, but potentially less) gets assigned to the defending player.

Ishmrakul on Deathtouch and trample

18 hours ago

If I attack with a 5/5 with deathtouch and trample and it gets blocked by a 5/5, does my creature deal 1 damage to the blocker which kills it and 4 trample damage to the player, or does it do 5 damage to the blocker and 0 to the player and then trade?

Neotrup on If you Fling a Thing ...

18 hours ago

It's the same with prowess creatures. I believe the abilities still trigger (someone correct me if I'm wrong), but they don't do anything when they resolve, because the creature is no longer on the battlefield. Fling uses the last known information about the creature, so what it's power was when you sacrificed it.

Epochalyptik on If you Fling a Thing ...

20 hours ago

No. Fling requires a sacrifice as part of the casting process, so the creature's last known information will be used to determine how much damage is to be dealt.

Also, the transform ability wouldn't affect the card if it isn't on the battlefield when it resolves.

SmugLookingBarrel on If you Fling a Thing ...

20 hours ago

Fling requires you to sacrifice a creature as part of the casting cost, and Thing in the Ice  Flip has a trigger that can change its power in response to an instant or sorcery being cast. If I cast Fling on a Thing in the Ice  Flip with only one ice counter left on it, will the thing flip before fling checks the power of the creature that was sacrificed? And does it work the same way with a prowess creature?

Phoenix-2063 on Gold Border "Championship" Card Legality

22 hours ago

Ultimate guard have released 'bordifiles' precise fits for double sleeving which have a black border around the sleeve. Quite nice if you want to keep your deck uniform with black border including gold border WPN cards.

I'll just leave that bit of knowledge here for those in Epochalyptik's play group lol :)

Mr_crazydude on Does Witherscale Wurm get tokens ...

1 day ago

Yes I'm building a Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons commander deck. But seeing as the mechanics of -1/-1 counters changed a bit it's now important to know who placed the counter. Ok, so in conclusion Witherscale Wurm won't be that much of an addition seeing as it won't give me the tokens. I'll accept this as the answer to my original question. thanks for your help.

Epochalyptik on Does Witherscale Wurm get tokens ...

1 day ago

Sorry, missed that part. Then no, it wouldn't work for Nest of Scarabs or Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons. Your opponent would be the player placing the counters.

From Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons's Gatherer rulings:

If a creature with wither or infect deals damage to a creature, the controller of the creature with wither or infect puts that many -1/-1 counters on the second creature.

This does, however, mean that wither cards pair nicely in a deck with either of those cards.

Mr_crazydude on other players creatures and Mikaeus, ...

1 day ago

ok, simple enough. Thx for the quick reply

Mr_crazydude on Does Witherscale Wurm get tokens ...

1 day ago

so the "you" clause in Nest of Scarabs and Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons is dependent on the owner of the creature to receive the -1/-1 counters? if it's my creature, I'm the player who puts a -1/-1 counter on it even though it's the opponents creature that has wither?

Epochalyptik on Does Witherscale Wurm get tokens ...

1 day ago

Witherscale Wurm would get one -1/-1 counter, which would trigger three token-creating abilities across those cards. You'd get a 1/1 green Elf Warrior, a 1/1 black Insect, and a 1/1 green Snake with deathtouch.

Epochalyptik on Gold Border "Championship" Card Legality

1 day ago

They're not cards, so they're not legal. Some playgroups make exceptions.

Epochalyptik on other players creatures and Mikaeus, ...

1 day ago

Your opponent gets their creature back with a +1/+1 counter.

Undying returns the creature to its owner.

Mr_crazydude on other players creatures and Mikaeus, ...

1 day ago

If you took control of another players creature and have Mikaeus, the Unhallowed out. What would happen when that controlled creature dies? Is it returned to you or your opponent with a +1/+1 counter on it?

Mr_crazydude on Does Witherscale Wurm get tokens ...

1 day ago

It used to be that we didn't care who or what card got a -1/-1 counter on it. However that mechanic changed a slight bit with amonkhet.

I'm especially curious about interactions with Witherscale Wurm. If you have Witherscale worm blocked by a 1/1 and all of the following cards out: 1) Flourishing Defenses; 2) Nest of Scarabs 3) Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons

how many tokens would you get?

TheRealPigeons on Does cost reduction include X ...

1 day ago

Thanks for the answer, and sorry about that. I just googled the question and this was the first result that came up. Didn't notice it was five years old until I had posted.

Epochalyptik on Does cost reduction include X ...

1 day ago

Oath of Ajani
Nissa, Steward of Elements

Correct.

In the future, please start a new thread rather than responding to an old one. Old threads aren't bumped, so likely only the people still subscribed to the old thread will see it.

TheRealPigeons on Does cost reduction include X ...

1 day ago

So I could play an oath of ajani on turn 2, then play nissa, steward of elements on turn three and name X as 2, meaning I'd only pay 3 mana total, but nissa would enter with 2 loyalty?

Rhadamanthus on How does Hapatra, Vizier of ...

1 day ago

Further confirmation from today's Update Bulletin:

119.3d We've never cared who puts counters on things before, only how many. With Amonkhet, we care about who does it, so the rules for wither and infect got an update to answer a question we've never had an answer for: the controller of the source puts the counters on the creature.

Neotrup on Does prepare // fight count ...

1 day ago

Enigma Drake's power is equal to the number of instant and sorcery cards in your graveyard. Prepare / Fight is a single card. If Enigma Drake's power was equal to the number of instant cards in your graveyard plus the number of sorcery cards in your graveyard, then it would count for both categories.

Rhadamanthus on Does prepare // fight count ...

1 day ago

Enigma Drake only counts the number of cards, not the number of types. Prepare / Fight and other similar cards will only count as 1 card.

Compare this to a card with Delirium (Traverse the Ulvenwald, etc.) which does count the number of types. Prepare /// Fight will count as 2 different types for the purposes of Delirium.

sonnet666 on Winding Constrictor and Evolve interactions

1 day ago

Assuming you don't take any counters off of Experiment One, it will have 4 +1/+1 counters.

Experiment One has a triggered ability that gives itself counters (evolve).

Winding Constrictor has a replacement effect that puts an additional counter on any permanent you control if it would get a counter.

Avatar of the Resolute has a replacement effect that replaces it entering the battlefield normally with it entering the battlefield with a certain number of +1/+1 counters.

This will play out like this:

  1. Experiment One enters the battlefield.

  2. Winding Constrictor enters the battlefield.

  3. Experiment One's evolve ability triggers because Winding Constrictor's power or toughness is higher than it's power or toughness.

  4. Experiment One's evolve ability goes on the stack.

  5. Experiment One's evolve ability resolves and goes to place 1 +1/+1 counter on itself, but Winding Constrictor's replacement effect replaces that event with 2 +1/+1 counters being placed

  6. You cast Avatar of the Resolute. As Avatar of the Resolute is resolving its replacement effect causes it to enter the battlefield with 1 +1/+1 counter because you have 1 creature with a +1/+1 counter on it (Experiment One). Because this qualifies as a counter being placed on a permanent you control, Winding Constrictor's replacement effect replaces this event a second time, causing Avatar of the Resolute to enter the battlefield with 2 +1/+1 counters.

  7. Experiment One's evolve ability triggers because Avatar of the Resolute entered the battlefield as a 5/4.

  8. Repeat steps 4 and 5 to place two more +1/+1 counters on Experiment One, for a total of 4 counters.

Rhadamanthus on Winding Constrictor and Evolve interactions

1 day ago

Turn 1 Experiment One. Seems good.

Turn 2 Winding Constrictor. Experiment One evolves, and because Constrictor is on the battlefield the Experiment gets 2 counters instead of 1.

Turn 3 Avatar of the Resolute. Entering the battlefield with counters is considered "putting/placing", so it enters with 2 counters instead of 1. Experiment One evolves again, getting 2 counters again.

Experiment One has 4 +1/+1 counters and Avatar of the Resolute has 2 +1/+1 counters.

sonnet666 on Does prepare // fight count ...

1 day ago

I'm not 100% on this since Aftermath cards are very new, but if they're anything like split cards the answer is no.

Enigma Drake looks at every card in your graveyard and asks the question, "Is this card an instant card OR a sorcery card?"

Prepare / Fight is both an instant card and a sorcery card, but it's still only one card. When Enigma Drake looks at it and asks, "Is this card an instant card OR a sorcery card?" it doesn't care that it's both an instant card AND a sorcery card, because it's asking a yes/no question. Its simply says "yes" and counts it once.

Mailman81 on Winding Constrictor and Evolve interactions

1 day ago

When you cast the following:

Turn1: Experiment One

Turn2: Winding Constrictor

Turn3: Avatar of the Resolute

How many counters Experiment One and Avatar of the Resolute will have end of turn3, and why?

SmugLookingBarrel on Does prepare // fight count ...

1 day ago

Whoops, accidentally hit post instead of edit. Here's the rest of the question:

Since Prepare / Fight is an instant and a sorcery, does it count double while in the graveyard?

SmugLookingBarrel on Does prepare // fight count ...

1 day ago

Enigma Drake has power equal to the number of instant and sorcery cards in your graveyard

Rhadamanthus on provoke and menace REDO

2 days ago

The user who posted the contradictory response came back and acknowledged they made a mistake. Trust me, enough users read these boards that any confusion in a thread is going to be resolved fairly quickly. Just be patient.

Rhadamanthus on Combo Question

2 days ago

Gaining control of a permanent doesn't cause it to re-enter the battlefield. Saheeli Rai won't get back any loyalty if you target her with the copy of Zealous Conscripts, and as was mentioned before, the rules about loyalty abilities mean you won't be allowed to activate Saheeli again.

Neotrup on Combo Question

2 days ago

Also relevant, even if this did work, you'd still need to be able to pay the cost of removing two loyalty counters from Saheeli Rai, which means you'd need to have a combo to put infinite loyalty counters on her as well. Her -7 ability is probably good enough once you have that combo going.

Epochalyptik on Combo Question

2 days ago

No.

Loyalty abilities don't require you to tap the planeswalker to activate them, so untapping a planeswalker doesn't really do anything.

More importantly, there's a rule that you can only activate one loyalty ability of a permanent on each of your turns. Unless you have The Chain Veil or blink Saheeli Rai, you're not getting around that problem.

Neotrup on Does Anointed Procession work with ...

2 days ago

What isn't an effect is a cost, though creating a token is rarely a cost. An example of this would be Turntimber Ranger. It has an effect that whenever an ally enters the battlefield you may pay the cost of creating a 2/2 green Wolf creature token, if you pay that cost, Turntimber Ranger gets a +1/+1 counter. You would only create 1 token regardless of Anointed Procession.

Surrak_and_Roll on Combo Question

2 days ago

Does Saheeli Rai + Zealous Conscripts go infinite with Saheeli's minus ability? I'm pretty sure it doesn't work but I'm not too familiar with rules regarding walkers so wanted confirmation.

Neotrup on Can I activate mana abilities ...

2 days ago

That is correct, and doesn't rely on you and player 3 being secretly teamed up, as team formats do exist, though being teamed up across the table is rare. It's also worth noting that anytime you pass priority with mana in your mana pool you are supposed to what mana is in there.

DanJackArmy on Does Anointed Procession work with ...

2 days ago

Thats helped loads, thank you both!!!

BlueScope on Does Anointed Procession work with ...

2 days ago

Yes, "effect" pretty much means everything in the game.

@EldridgeCrimson: Remember that replacement effects don't trigger, only triggered abilities do. This, like you said, is a replacement effect, and it will simply cause those cards to result in twice as many tokens being put on the battlefield.

DanJackArmy on Does Anointed Procession work with ...

2 days ago

EldridgeCrimson so they would all class as effects then??

EldridgeCrimson on Does Anointed Procession work with ...

2 days ago

They do. Since the token is entering under your control, the replacement effect of Anointed Procession triggers and you get two tokens for each one.

DanJackArmy on Does Anointed Procession work with ...

2 days ago

I run a black white servo deck and if this card does work with each of those, it could be lethal. I doubt it does as well they aren't really effects but you never know. Thanks for the help!!

DanJackArmy on None

2 days ago

I run a black white servo deck and if this card does work with each of those, it could be lethal. I doubt it does as well they aren't really effects but you never know. Thanks for the help!!

StopShot on Can I activate mana abilities ...

2 days ago

@Neotrup, So wait, let me get this straight, because I love to learn and you honestly have my attention here. If for example we took the situation you gave with Player 4 casting the Wheel of Fortune, but instead of me (Player 1) sacrificing the Lion's Eye Diamond I pass priority, and Player 3, once they get priority, taps an Island for mana just because they feel like it does that mean Player 4, Player 1, and Player 2 actually have to go through priority again in order to actually resolve the Wheel of Fortune all because Player 3 tapped an Island for mana which counts as an action regardless if producing that mana had any use in the first place?

I'm not doubting you, but I feel like I got to be misunderstanding something here, because it sounds kind of silly, I guess? I mean it seems like its exploitable, because lets say me (Player 1) was secretly teamed up with Player 3 and I have a counter spell in hand for Wheel of Fortune, but I want to see if Player 2 has a counter spell they would use instead, and if Player 2 doesn't use a counter spell, Player 3 could tap an Island for mana once Player 2 has given priority to them which would delay the resolution of Wheel of Fortune again and I could use my counter spell on it since I would get priority again, is that correct?

I mean its a trivial situation, but I want to know it for sure just in case.

Neotrup on Can I activate mana abilities ...

2 days ago

You are entirely correct about how mana abilities work. What you are wrong about is what causes the top spell or ability on the stack to resolve.

116.4. If all players pass in succession (that is, if all players pass without taking any actions in between passing), the spell or ability on top of the stack resolves or, if the stack is empty, the phase or step ends.

In order for Wheel of Fortune to resolve each player has to pass priority after the most recent action was taken, not after the most recent object was put on the stack. As activating Lion's Eye Diamond is an action, it does reset the last time n action was taken. Because it does not use the stack, it cannot be targeted by Stifle. Because it does not require passing priority, you can activate another ability using that mana. Because it is an action, player 4 will get priority before Wheel of Fortune resolves.

StopShot on Can I activate mana abilities ...

2 days ago

@Neotrup, That is incorrect. Mana abilities work differently than other abilities. Using Lion's Eye Diamond would be the equivalence of say Player 3 tapping an Island for mana once they get priority. Both abilities are mana abilities and do not cause another succession priority to occur as stated here:

Activating the Lion's Eye Diamond ability when I have priority would not give Player 4 priority again the same way Player 3 tapping an Island for mana when they receive priority would not give Player 4, Player 1, and Player 2 priority again. This is because the production of mana is something that can't be responded to and doesn't need a round of priority for every time you tap a land for mana. Same goes with Lion's Eye Diamond since its ability as well is a mana ability.