- 2x Bloodstained Mire
- 4x Blooming Marsh
- 4x Hissing Quagmire
- 1x Marsh Flats
- 2x Overgrown Tomb
- 1x Polluted Delta
- 4x Snow-Covered Swamp
- 2x Twilight Mire
- 4x Verdant Catacombs
"Far and away" the best 4-drop ever? Based on what criteria? Those are some pretty dangerous words to throw around.
January 3, 2018 11:52 p.m.
You read the card, right? Imagine how much play it would see if it cost 4 generic mana instead of 4 black.
January 4, 2018 9:11 a.m.
What other card would you suggest? I actually would be curious to hear the general opinion of best 4 drop contenders, but I realize judging cards in a vacuum is basically impossible. Sorry to butt in also! I just don't really know much about modern but am curious.
January 4, 2018 9:19 a.m.
But really, that's the only argument I could see against. His special ability is insanely busted, something you'd usually see on a 7 or 8 cost multicolored EDH creature.
January 4, 2018 10:03 a.m.
Thought-Knot Seer is definitely a contender for the best 4-drop, and Bloodbraid Elf made it onto the Modern banlist.
On another topic, are you sure you want no forests at all? Seems like Blood Moon could hurt you a lot this way. Maybe it would an option to include one in the sideboard at least?
January 4, 2018 12:58 p.m.
Yea the basic forest was actually a point of internal debate for me, believe it or not. I wanted to include at least 1 Twilight Mire because even a single basic Forest keeps the Phyrexian Obliterator from coming down on time, but I also want at least 8 fetchlands to reliably power up Fatal Push.
So the only land to cut for a forest would be either the Blooming Marsh or the Hissing Quagmire, and I kinda feel like I want 4 of both of those lands. I could go down on basic Swamp. What do you think?
Edit: I did cut down on Swamp for a Forest and a Mire. Does that look right, or is 4 Hissing Quagmire excessive? I kinda want the manlands because these grindy midrange decks can run out of gas in the mirror with removal flying back and forth.
January 4, 2018 1:12 p.m.
Well have you considered Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth then? It allows your forest(s) to tap for black, and lets you keep fetchlands in play for later use to enable revolt. Occasionally it will help opponents too though by providing black mana for them.
January 4, 2018 4:15 p.m.
I would cut the 2 messengers a 4th Lilly and 4th Bob.
January 4, 2018 7:37 p.m.
So I'm dropping down to 2 Tombs and going up on Twilight Mire and adding another basic swamp. Being able to fetch basics seems important against Burn. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth is also something to think about, but I worry about inadvertantly fixing the opponent's mana. Black is pretty popular right now and giving someone like Tron free access to black through their Urza's Tower seems like it would be a relevant factor to consider.
As for the rest of the deck, I am trying out the Geralf's Messenger because I have the mana base for it, but those could easily be more power cards if he's still just not good enough. I like how it can survive a Supreme Verdict or even just a Fatal Push though. Every other creature in the deck "dies to removal". The maindeck artifacts are a concession to Grim Flayer. Reid Duke mentioned in an article recently that you want 1 to 3 poppable artifacts to hit Delerium with regularity. I figured a Ratchet Bomb for Lingering Souls and Young Pyromancer and Nihil Spellbomb as some maindeck graveyard hate was more relevant than a playset of Mishra's Bauble.
January 5, 2018 9:35 a.m.
Although there are a number of awesome cards in modern to fight for the four drop spot, I would have to agree that Phyrexian Obliterator is the best. I play Siege Rhino and love the card, but no one fears it like they do Phyrexian Obliterator. Thought-Knot Seer is great - a Thoughtseize on a stick... but once it hits the board, it is a 4/4 creature that now is a liability when it dies. As stated above, it would get more play if not for the four black mana requirement.
With regard to the mana base, you really only ever need one green mana available unless you sideboard in Obstinate Baloth. A full set of Twilight Mire may not be bad, and don't be afraid to add a few more swamps.
My thought would be something like this:
1x Marsh Flats
I have been known to be wrong once or twice in my life, so keep that in mind with regard to this land base suggestion.
I love the deck regardless.
January 5, 2018 11:30 a.m.
Nice build: I don't agree with a quadruple black being "Best ever" but it's a nice deck.
January 9, 2018 5:40 p.m.
For Black, I would agree.
January 9, 2018 5:43 p.m.
January 9, 2018 6:21 p.m.
Perhaps go to 4 on Bob? I've always ran Obliterator Rock with 4 Dark Confidant and it's rarely an issue.
January 9, 2018 7:45 p.m.
the 2 drop slot is a little glutted out right now. Tracker is a bit more flexible because he can basically either be a 3rd turn play to slam or a 4th turn play to get some clue action. He also hits a bit harder than Bob. I'm not really happy with the Grim Flayer either, so that could possibly be more Bob.
January 9, 2018 11:56 p.m.
With no life stabilization in the deck, running Bob with x4 Obliterators and using x4 Thoughtseize is gonna hurt... Obliterator is my favorite magic card and I've spent a lot of time brewing around him in Modern, but sadly the card just isn't that great in the Modern format. Hopefully in the future some good support cards will be printed that makes it a more viable threat
January 10, 2018 9:59 p.m.
he looks more like a Jeff.
January 10, 2018 11:03 p.m.
I like the deck (and Phyrexian Obliterator) but I don't approve of only having one of a card in the sidebord, all or nothing is the choice I recommend you make.
January 10, 2018 11:11 p.m.
i like the deck but the best shell for obliterator will always be momo black devotion. if you really want to get the most use out of him check out lists for it. its surprisingly sturdy and has a great curve. cool deck tho!
January 12, 2018 11:22 p.m.
I actually have sleeved him up before alongside Grey Merchant of Asphodel. This list is working out pretty good so far. Adding the green splash for Abrupt Decay and Tarmogoyf makes a huge difference. You really can't deny the objective power of those cards.
If you'll notice between the maindeck and SB I've also found room for a number of powerful artifacts. Helps on the mana a little while also growing Tarmogoyf and Grim Flayer when they hit the bin. Artifacts would hurt in a black devotion deck if you were trying to maximize the Grey Merchant damage.
January 12, 2018 11:44 p.m.
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January 15, 2018 11:31 a.m.
January 15, 2018 11:51 a.m.
And some of Tron. Those are my favorite kill spells in mod!
January 15, 2018 12:56 p.m.
You could easily cut the Artifacts since your Delirium need is gone.
January 15, 2018 1:58 p.m.
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This deck is Modern legal.
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|Top rank||#6 on 2018-01-14|