Muck Drubb
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Modern Beyond Horizons Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Planar Constructed Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Muck Drubb

Creature — Beast

Flash (You may play this spell at any time you could cast an instant.)

When Muck Drubb enters the battlefield, change the target of target spell that targets only a single creature to Muck Drubb.

Madness (If you discard this card, you may cast it for its madness cost instead of putting it into your graveyard.)

Rhadamanthus on Ivy, Gleeful Thief help

2 years ago

I agree that you're right about Ivy not triggering in this example. The rulings note for Muck Drubb as well as the entries in the CR about how to evaluate this seem to back you up. I get the feeling Matt Tabak was distracted by the person's specific question on the "target nonland permanent" language such that he missed/forgot Karn's Temporal Sundering also targets a player.

115.9b An object that looks for a “[spell or ability] that targets [something]” checks the current state of that spell or ability’s targets. If an object it targets is still in the zone it’s expected to be in or a player it targets is still in the game, that target’s current information is used, even if it’s not currently legal for that spell or ability. If an object it targets is no longer in the zone it’s expected to be in or a player it targets is no longer in the game, that target is ignored; its last known information is not used.

115.9c An object that looks for a “[spell or ability] that targets only [something]” checks the number of different objects or players that were chosen as targets of that spell or ability when it was put on the stack (as modified by effects that changed those targets), not the number of those objects or players that are currently legal targets. If that number is one (even if the spell or ability targets that object or player multiple times), the current state of that spell or ability’s target is checked as described in rule 115.9b.

Delphen7 on Ivy, Gleeful Thief help

2 years ago

Q&A is down as of me asking this

Say I control Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief, and that I cast Karn's Temporal Sundering targeting some creature and myself.

My instinct would be that Ivy does not trigger, as the spell does not only target a single creature (It includes a player). Muck Drubb's rulings seem to agree with this.

However, a WoTC employee said that Ivy would trigger as there is only one creature target

(https://mobile.twitter.com/WotC_Matt/status/1562154492069433349))

Does Ivy trigger? Also, why is Ivy's name highlighted?

multimedia on Merciless rage needs upgrading

4 years ago

Hey, you can do a lot with a $60 budget for upgrades. For non madness, do you still want to play the Worldgorger combo? Again this combo will be at least $20 of the $60 budget. Without the combo you could make plenty of other upgrades for $20, but the combo makes your deck much more competitive.

For multicolored decks I always start with allocating enough of the budget for the manabase, to add some playable lands. I figure I need to have a good manabase otherwise what's the point in making the deck if I can't consistently cast cards. For your deck I would start with adding these lands:

If playing non madness, still play some madness cards that become better when you discard them with Anje. There's really reason to not take some advantage of playable madness cards with Anje as Commander.

Other advice I can give will be determined on if you want to play the Worldgorger combo. I'm basing it on the combo because your deck can look quite a bit different if not playing the combo.

Panas on RD's Wonder Gobs

7 years ago

A mad max feel eh? Alright! let me see what I can work with... Also leaning towards the vehicles subtheme with that context.

Let me start with a suggestion that will change the deck greatly, but that will - in my opinion - create a better framework for a "smart goblins handle the appocalypse" kind of feel: meet the Shattergang Brothers! If you choose them as your commander, not only do you have a goblin bomb-squad in the command zone, you get access to green ramp and interactions with enchantments, plus a sac outlet always available to make the removal targeted at your permanents go haywire!

If not, there are other additions I would include. You said you'd be going for a semi competitive environment (store tourneys but mostly fun) so I would include some alternate paths to victory. Examples of these would be Spikeshot Elder + Grafted Exoskeleton, and/or, Murderous Redcap + Nim Deathmantle + Ashnod's Altar.

The tribal lords are almost a must. Especially the ones that pump the team and give keywords such as mountainwalk or haste.

I would certainly include Attrition.

Predator Dragon and Goblin Sledder are improvements over their counterparts already in the deck.

Beetleback Chief, Mogg War Marshal

Squeaking Pie Grubfellows and Grenzo, Havoc Raiser are ways to get a lot of value! Especially Grenzo, that goading ability is nothing to scoff at! I've seen it work and it can be awesome!

Mogg Assassin is a nice political card in the hands of a skilled diplomat.

Bloodmark Mentor and Caterwauling Boggart are too good to ignore as well.

I find that suggesting cards to cut, often meets the problem of favourite cards (myself for example, LOVE Muck Drubb and will actively go out of my way to include it in a deck). If you want, tell me about the things that MUST stay in the deck no matter what and I'll see about making cuts from the rest.

Panas on Another thread asking for help …

7 years ago

I take it your question is more about the deck building process and less about which commander to build?

The way I do it is look for a card that inspires/challenges me. This doesn't have to be the commander. My first deck was based around the ability of King Macar, the Gold-Cursed, while my latest work-in-process is based around the interactions of Dovescape.

Anyway, after finding my source of inspiration, I try to identify key interactions/themes to make it work. E.g. my king Macar was openly looking for untap triggers and after delving into those cards I realized I had to generate tons of mana which led me naturally to cards like Exsanguinate. In contrast, my Dovescape deck would love the assymetrical effect of Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, a permament heavy theme as well as uncounterable effects, in addition to heavy tutoring. These things give you a clear idea of which colours you want to be running.

Only after I figure out what the deck wants to do, do I start selecting cards. I always start with the most boring part of deckbuilding in EDH: Finding the available ramp and card-draw in my selected colours. After getting approximately 8-10 pieces of each I add a figure of 36 lands as "locked" slots. This leaves you with approximately 46 cards that will be your actual deck! :p

At this point I flesh out the key interactions I had seen before keeping in mind the hypergeometric distribution for the probability of drawing what i want when I need it (That 8-10 is not random at all: It's for getting at least 1 of those effects more than 50% of the time in the first couple of turns). Then I add removal pertaining to my current meta and a few win conditions, figure out the land base and voila: I have a deck!... sort of...

After this, I proxy the whole thing play with it with my friends, see if I like it, and if I do, I will then build it for real, making changes from an extensive maybeboard as required.

I make card choices based both on power and for self expression: I run Damnation and Muck Drubb in the same deck. One is a black staple powerhouse, the other is the saddest and cutest creature ever printed :p

wereotter on

8 years ago

Muck Drubb seems a good card for this commander. Protect your other creatures and draw a card. More expensive that the Mizzium Meddler you're already using, of course, but more than one of the same effect isn't bad.

Crayfish on Jund Mad Baddies

8 years ago

Flaying Tendrils > Biting Rain. I dont care if it has madness, tendrils is awesome. Exiling is extremely powerful.

Other madness creatures that can synergize with Lotleth Troll: Arrogant Wurm, Big Game Hunter, Gorgon Recluse, Grave Scrabbler, Muck Drubb, Reckless Wurm.

Other madness cards in general: Avacyn's Judgment, Gibbering Descent, Senseless Rage, Strength of Lunacy.

Fetches can help with your manabase.

With the large amount of, well, aggro in this deck, might I suggest Gaea's Anthem, Beastmaster Ascension, Whip of Erebos, or Bow of Nylea? Those could help.

Also, Having 2 discard enablers, one being creature specific, is not recommended. With discard being so heavily needed, more outlets are in demand.

Pheardemons on Madness Aggro

8 years ago

I think you should add in more madness cards. Like Fiery Temper, Reckless Wurm, Muck Drubb ect. It is a surprising twist to tibalt's possible negative consequence if the wrong card is discarded.

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