Ivy, Gleeful Thief help
Asked by Delphen7 1 year ago
Q&A is down as of me asking this
Say I control Ivy, Gleeful Spellthief, and that I cast Karn's Temporal Sundering targeting some creature and myself.
My instinct would be that Ivy does not trigger, as the spell does not only target a single creature (It includes a player). Muck Drubb's rulings seem to agree with this.
However, a WoTC employee said that Ivy would trigger as there is only one creature target
(https://mobile.twitter.com/WotC_Matt/status/1562154492069433349))
Does Ivy trigger? Also, why is Ivy's name highlighted?
Rhadamanthus says... Accepted answer #1
I agree that you're right about Ivy not triggering in this example. The rulings note for Muck Drubb as well as the entries in the CR about how to evaluate this seem to back you up. I get the feeling Matt Tabak was distracted by the person's specific question on the "target nonland permanent" language such that he missed/forgot Karn's Temporal Sundering also targets a player.
115.9b An object that looks for a “[spell or ability] that targets [something]” checks the current state of that spell or ability’s targets. If an object it targets is still in the zone it’s expected to be in or a player it targets is still in the game, that target’s current information is used, even if it’s not currently legal for that spell or ability. If an object it targets is no longer in the zone it’s expected to be in or a player it targets is no longer in the game, that target is ignored; its last known information is not used.
115.9c An object that looks for a “[spell or ability] that targets only [something]” checks the number of different objects or players that were chosen as targets of that spell or ability when it was put on the stack (as modified by effects that changed those targets), not the number of those objects or players that are currently legal targets. If that number is one (even if the spell or ability targets that object or player multiple times), the current state of that spell or ability’s target is checked as described in rule 115.9b.
August 25, 2022 9:31 a.m.