Lotleth Troll

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vintage Legal

Lotleth Troll

Creature — Zombie Troll

Trample

Discard a creature card: Put a +1/+1 counter on Loleth Troll

: Regenerate Loleth Troll

Balaam__ on The Meat Grinder

5 months ago

Nice call, I missed that card legendofa. My first reaction was that it isn’t directly contributing toward the discard engines of Lotleth Troll/Zombie Infestation, but then again it would facilitate getting the two demons in play much easier. In any event I don’t think this deck could ever be good enough to be worth fine tuning, but I do appreciate the suggestion and I’ll go ahead and add it to the maybeboard.

legendofa on The Meat Grinder

5 months ago

It's not "strictly" better, but what's your opinion on switching maybe two Secret Salvage for Bloodbond March? It looks like the hand recursion mostly fuels Lotleth Troll, so once you've got the Trolls running, you would be able to recur the Shadowborn Apostles directly to the battlefield. It does give the opponent some options, though.

wallisface on Eldritch Evolution Zombie Deck

5 months ago

I’m also concerned you have a lot if self-inflicted discard without really any ways to profit from this. Decks with Lotleth Troll would usually run something like Vengevine etc so that they don’t end up losing anything from the discard. I see no reason Why you’d want to run Rotting Regisaur in any case

guywitharock on Kathril, Parasite of the Dead

6 months ago

Red05 - I would say it needs "more" self-mill not in the sense that more cards should self-mill, but the cards you include should each mill for more. Bang for card buck mill-wise.

It feels like the aim of this deck is to get the graveyard as full of some juicy keywords as quickly as possible, then let the beatdown commence with whatever creatures are on board after a Kathril play. The self-mill you have is somewhat limited or can't be played until later turns when you could already be falling behind. Dakmor Salvage is only good when you can consistently send it back to grave, Splinterfright just dies if you have no creatures in grave already, Stitcher's Supplier only mills 3 until your opponent decides to kill it, Deadbridge Chant and See the Unwritten require 6 mana which can take time, etc...

Pair that with the fact that there's only ~17 decent keyword providers at your disposal, the odds of ripping the several that you'll want to start with is low without more consistent mill. Some back-of-the-napkin math shows that even if you mill yourself for 6 cards there's still a ~1/3 chance that NONE of those creatures even get milled, let alone only milling some of the more tame keywords like flying or hexproof which by themselves probably won't win you any games.

Therefore, it feels like having some low-cost, high-yield self-mill options would be extremely valuable - the kind of thing where when you pull it in your opening hand or turn 2 you know you can get the ball rolling. You already have Nyx Weaver, Skull Prophet, World Shaper, and Death's Oasis which fits that bill, and having a couple more cards like those would add a lot more consistency. Mesmeric Orb (though a bit expensive) is reliable and even works on your opponents. As I mentioned before, dredge cards would be an especially nice conclusion since it means self-mill can lead you to more self mill when you don't need card draw. My personal favorite is probably Shambling Shell since it can sac itself turn after turn if you have just 3 mana and are desperate for grave fuel.

After messing around with a version of my own and trying some stuff out, easy discard outlets could also be a good inclusion in case you rip your meaty keyword cards into your hand and can't play them. Your Greenseeker fits nicely there, and Lotleth Troll can do the same but turning himself into more of a threat in the process.

BlueSnakeMagic on Creature Collab

7 months ago

As finnicy as it can be to spread too wide, I decided to do some small edits as such.

  • Rotting Regisaur is scary as a turn 3 7/6 but... Well, he's harder for me to control, may just get dropped, and is bulky as by then I wanna be trying to take things out of my grave

  • Dropped one of the Nether Traitor's and Gravecrawler's as they both do essentially the same thing, and Nether Traitor is harder to get off in a bad field.

  • Added a playset of Merfolk Secretkeeper since alongside Stitcher's Supplier I'm much closer to guaranteeing some self mill. I also dropped Hedron Crab as though I like it (I'll test when I can to see what it does to me) I feel like the alternates I have in here work just fine, whilst also giving an easier Vengevine triggers if I need creature drops, not milling, on a turn.

  • Carrion Feeder joins the ranks, as with Gravecrawler and Nether Traitor at the very least, it lets me make something I can just pump mana into.

  • Finally, Narcomoeba. A potential free creature, maybe a Lotleth Troll discard, and if it does die? Bait for Skaab Ruinator to bite.

wallisface on Creature Collab

7 months ago

BlueSnakeMagic just saw your Carrion Feeder comment. He's mentioned in my rant above. Personally, i'd ditch Rotting Regisaur, but it depends what way you want to steer the deck. It's always tricky to know what to take out, as each card serves a purpose (my take is that Lotleth Troll is just a better Rotting Regisaur, so I think the dino can go).

wallisface on Creature Collab

7 months ago

If you're interested in cards I ended up using at somestage during my Crabvine-period, here's everything I ran at one time or another, and my thoughts on playing with the card:

  • Gravecrawler: A must-have in the deck, though I found 3x was a better number to run than the full playset, as oftentimes you really only want this card to help you trigger Vengevine, and it normally doesn't do a lot else.
  • Hedron Crab: Another must-have in the deck, provided you have the landbase to support it. Without fetchlands, I don't think this would be able to get through enough card-density to be quick enough (we want a turn 2-3 vengevine swing)
  • Merfolk Secretkeeper: This felt both good and bad. Being able to mill with it immediately, and then save it for a Vengevine trigger later in the game felt pretty decent. Its also a decent blocker.
  • Stitcher's Supplier: I think I always included a playset of this in the deck, though it was always easily the worst card in the deck. Without an easy sacrifice outlet, this is just a really weak mill effect that then sits around doing nothing. It needs to die to get full value.
  • Lotleth Troll: I alternated between playing this card and not. Its one of my "pet cards" (alongside Skaab Ruinator) so I probably favored it too highly just from bias. But being able to pitch away all the cards that weren't meant to be cast did feel great, and I have had lots of games where this has steamrolled me out a win on its own... I'm just not sure its the best choice for an optimal build.
  • Satyr Wayfinder: A weird choice, but one that's done well. It can usually guarantee you'll hit your 3rd land drop, and gels pretty well with Hedron Crab, as well as giving your good odds at a turn-3 Skaab Ruinator.
  • Prized Amalgam & Vengevine: My understanding that a playset of both of these go into every Crabvine deck there is, so I don't think I need to discuss much here. They're the whole point of the deck.
  • Bloodghast: I only added these to my deck really late into playing Crabvine, but they do put up some amazing results. They combo very well with a high-fetchland deck, running alongside Altar of Dementia, to keep swinging then killing themselves to fuel the engine further. Also, probably the most aggressive way to get Prized Amalgam out of the grave if Vengevine hasn't been found yet.
  • Narcomoeba: I played these a little, and see a LOT of decks online playing them, but to be honest I don't see the hype. Very fragile, and can't come back when killed, i'm really not sold. But, again, having seen soo many decks online play them, they're probably worth considering.
  • Skaab Ruinator: My second "Pet Card", I don't think you want to run more than 1-2 in the deck, but they definitely get good results. There are a few decks where if you resolve this, it's a free-win.
  • Glimpse the Unthinkable: I started playing this late into my time with Crabvine, swapping it in, in place of the Stinkweed Imp/Golgari Thug package. There are games where you resolve this turn 2 and see all the perfect stuff hit your grave, and it becomes the most-free win you could ever hope for. But other times, you just mill yourself ten lands and non-recurable creatures, and wonder what you did to piss off the card-gods. I felt like when this card worked, it was amazing. But it also felt like there were too many times when it didn't work, and left me dead-in-the-water.
  • Golgari Thug & Stinkweed Imp: Probably my favorite way to ensure the self-mill engine keeps pumping, I ran a playset of Imp, and 2-3 Thug for the majority of my time playing Crabvine - making my build sudo-dredge. Being able to reliably keep milling felt great - and it's a good reason to justify running Lotleth Troll.
  • Creeping Chill: I'm torn on whether this card is useful or not. On one hand, being able to basically start the game at 32 life, while your opponent starts on 8, is a pretty good feeling. On the other, this doesn't help massively to help the boardstate, and there are a lot of games where its just not relevant (you can often swing for enough quite early that the extra bit of lifedrain didn't matter).
  • Silversmote Ghoul: The only reason to run this would be alongside Creeping Chill. It does feel decent, but also can be clunky with the timings of when each respective card ends up in your grave (seeing a bunch of early-Chills can be scary, as it means these guys might not be able to see play). Personally I think Bloodghast is the better choice for the 3rd "creature to recur from the grave"
  • Altar of Dementia: This actually works really well, though I wouldn't run more than 1-2 in the deck. There are a bunch of cards that just want to be in the graveyard and/or get themselves killed. Most notably Stitcher's Supplier. but also Bloodghast, Gravecrawler, and even Vengevine (assuming you can bring them back). This easily turns your attacks into very-wide landslide victories. 10/10 would recommend.
  • Carrion Feeder: I think I only ran 1-2 of these, and honestly, I think its hard to justify over Altar of Dementia or Lotleth Troll. I think it does definitely have a use-case (it seems great with Gravecrawler), but it feels a little niche to me.
  • Wonder: I only ever played one of these, in my sideboard. But it did seem very useful in some matches, particularly when it was hard to swing through the opponents creatures.

wallisface on

8 months ago

I've just seen this short youtube video which shows off a really fun looking modern gameplan using Phage. I'm not sure what the resulting deck would look like, or how viable it would be, but it looks like it's probably a better direction to gear your deck towards.

I can see you being able to easily keep the deck GB if you so wanted as well, as there's a few decent green creatures that can help with the interactions, like Satyr Wayfinder and Lotleth Troll

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