At the beginning of your upkeep, if there are seven or more lands in play, sacrifice Impending Disaster. If you do, destroy all lands.
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Impending Disaster Discussion
1 week ago
Impending Disaster seems definitely good with the land destruction theme, i'll throw it in maybeboard and think about what to cut
I built this deck before reversal was printed, and it does seem decent but like you said, I don't run nearly enough mana rocks
Also, although that is a powerful combo, this is more of a permission/resource denial control deck, so I'm more concerned with countering removal/answers/threats until I can cast a few enchantmenta and walkers followed by a board wipe than comboing off, its painfully slow to win but such is the nature of group slug/attrition themes
Thanks for the suggestions/comment!
1 week ago
I feel that Impending Disaster would be a solid include. Also if you add a few more mana rocks and Dramatic Reversal, you have an infinite combo for infinite mana and to draw your deck with Sensei's Divining Top. Then you have a ton of different ways to win. Aetherflux Reservoir to laser everyone is always fun.
3 weeks ago
Thanks a lot MillionLittleE.
Desolation Angel may be cut out for Ravages of War but the Devastation will stay because it is an instant win in most situations I can build up to. I found it really effective. I consideres Impending Disaster and will keep it in mind. The reason I did not include it till now since it needs a full round to work.
For the tutors I will swap out the Diabolic Tutor for one of those if I can get my hand on them.
Peacekeeper helped me win a lot of games so it will stay in but I already thought of cutting Crawlspace, Ghostly Prison and Reveillark. With your suggestions I will have no trouble including other cards for them. Scrap Mastery is really usefull for turning around the game. Especially after an artifact whipe wich I encounter a lot.
For the lands. Thanks for the suggestion and I will build up the land base. This list was what I could get to get the deck started fast and reliable. Those fetches and old duals are hard to get.
Your last additions might get in filling the wholes in the deck. Thanks.
1 month ago
MartialArt These are some changes I would make if I was playing this deck in A general competitive meta, with no budget restrictions. Now I have no idea what your meta is but my goal was to lower your mana curve, and cut some of the less optimal cards. Saying that I have left some because I don't think that you would take them out anyways.
Mana Rocks: First I would take out Thran Dynamo, Hedron Archive, Chromatic Lantern, and Gilded Lotus. These cards are slow at three, four, and five mana you want to be doing impactful things, such as Smokestack or Nether Void. So the mana I think you should add is cheap and reliable. Mana Vault, Grim Monolith are great adds for cheap mana positive rocks. Land Tax is slow but powerful making sure you don't miss A land drop if you aren't going first and allows for A easier recovery after A mass land destruction.
Land Destruction: Desolation Angel, and Devastation are both seven mana mass land destruction spells, which by the time you get to them the game could be over, even after A stax piece. Ravages of War is already on your maybe list but I say it is considerably better than both these cards. If you feel like you need another Mass land destruction spell Impending Disaster is the next best one I feel, though it is still far weaker. Seven lands is not hard to have in A four player game between all players, and it could sometimes just be A sudo Standstill for land drops.
Tutors: Having A large number of tutors in the game is needed in cedh to make your deck consistent. Saying that I feel you should add the following tutors Imperial Seal, Gamble, and Grim Tutor. I know gamble has A drawback of discarding A card, but the potential upside is too good to not run. Now I said having tutors is needed, but have expensive tutors slows down the deck so with this I say Diabolic Tutor needs to come out. Four mana is asking for A lot when only searching for something needed. Would you pay eight for A smokestacks?
Other cuts: At this point I have suggested one more card, than I have said to take out. Saying that I see some easy cuts. Crawlspace, Ghostly Prison, and Peacekeeper all cards that stop combat, but Cedh almost no decks use combat to win. So I find these are easy cuts to make. Reveillark is A good card, but without A loop it is just slow as it doesn't even get back sun titan, and I would say no one creature is that important for you to play this card. I'm just letting you know how hard it was for me to leave your six drops alone, I'm just saying. I know why they are in there, it just feels bad seeing them. I feel like you have enough token generation for smokestacks to get crazy so I recommend getting rid of Elspeth, Knight-Errant as A four mana make A 1/1 doesn't do enough. Scrap Mastery may sometimes not do enough, I'm not sure how it has worked out for you, so I can't say much, but I don't think I'm A fan.
Other adds: Null Rod, and Stony Silence are just good mana rock hate. These hurt you too, but you know when they are coming so you get to play around them. Aura of Silence Just A good taxing effect that could be used as removal for trouble artifacts/ enchantments. Karmic Justice is basically A mini Martyr's Bond that doesn't work with smokestacks, could be worth trying.
Mana Base Upgrade: You had to know this was coming. I would add Badlands, Plateau, and Scrubland cutting the pain lands Battlefield Forge, Caves of Koilos, and Sulfurous Springs. I feel like this is an obvious change and I don't have to explain myself here. If you decide to add these in I recommend adding fetches, you have nine to choose from, but I'm only going to say seven, adding more would lower your basic count to a number I'm not comfortable with. I would take out Clifftop Retreat, Dragonskull Summit, Isolated Chapel, Dust Bowl, Ghost Quarter, and two Plains for Polluted Delta, Bloodstained Mire, Windswept Heath, Flooded Strand, Marsh Flats, Verdant Catacombs, and Arid Mesa. I left out the fetches that only got red in your deck. I did this because of red being the least important color to grab, and your blood moon effects makes your mountain count way higher than it looks. For the lands I took out I'm only going to explain the two land hate lands. I find that Dust Bowl is really slow and not worth the time it takes to set that up. As for Ghost Quarter getting rid of a trouble land is fine, but giving your opponent a land is trouble, i would say it's even worse that its a basic, making your blood moon lack weaker.
Personal preference: This is what you prefer Vandalblast vs. Shattering Spree vs. By Force. Read the Bones vs. Painful Truths
3 months ago
Glad to hear the deck has turned out for you, even if it was slightly.
Personally, I would just replace Winds of Rath. My logic being that I usually only need a board wipe when I am behind (i.e. My general has been wiped a bunch/poor boarstate). If this is the case, then I've probably already lost. Voltron is an aggressive deck, thus we need to focus on resilience and efficiency.
There's nothing wrong with wanting Wheel of Fortune. It's an amazing card, yet I forgot about it. It's definitely a better option than Harmonize granted you have the money to acquire one. I'd include it if you have the ability.
Other than Thalia, Heretic Cathar, there is Linvala, Keeper of Silence (good if your meta has an abundance of Kiki/Splinter Twin combo, early game mana elves, or generals with problematic activated abilities like Arcum Dagsson or Yisan, the Wanderer Bard) and Magus of the Moon/Blood Moon (this depends on how comfortable you are playing a three color deck with this kind of effect as well as how many decks in your meta will be punished by it).
I've also tested Sanctum Prelate and Ethersworn Canonist, but they hindered us too much. Scavenging Ooze and Containment Priest didn't do much either, but testing them led me to find that Ground Seal was the most efficient graveyard hate option.
I think running 4 colorless lands is fine. I have gotten away with it and had few issues. You have a lot more options than I do when it comes to that last colorless slot, so choose wisely. Do you value the haste, pump, and vigalence of Slayers' Stronghold? The large pump and evasion from Kessig Wolf Run? The double strike from Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion? The removal that comes with Contested Cliffs? Or the protection that comes from Yavimaya Hollow?
3 months ago
My deck performed pretty well tonight, but the combined power of enchantment-based destruction and counterspells was ultimately my undoing. Even with two effective card-draw engines, I really wish I had Wheel of Fortune at that point in the game, but maybe that's just desperation talking. Had I mulliganed more aggressively like you suggested, I probably would have won. I definitely avenged my loss from the previous game, just like this deck was designed to do.
I don't know that I encountered a point where Stony Silence or Null Rod would have been useful, and Torpor Orb would have been beneficial in one game and against one player in particular. Don't get me wrong: they're great cards: they just wouldn't have had much relevance.
Thalia, Heretic Cathar is great for its low cmc cost and its effect: any other creature-based prison effects you'd recommend off the top of your head?
Possibility Storm is kinda high in terms of its cmc cost, and Choke is somewhat narrow, but I'm running out of low-cost stax options that don't adversely affect my general, so I might have to risk including the latter, even if it ultimately ends up being a dead card. The rest are definitely viable options: I might have to re-think my cmc limit, but I do agree with your philosophy of being oppressive with prison cards, as opposed to just surviving with pillow fort cards.
What do you think of Mana Web, Mystic Barrier, Crackdown, Karmic Justice, Impending Disaster and Smoke? Not great cards, and I know Mystic Barrier isn't cheap, but it would probably keep me from losing. I don't know. lol Just saw 'em in my notebook, and they seemed somewhat functional.
Thinking of squeezing Contested Cliffs in there: it really would have been useful tonight.
So would you recommend the inclusion of roughly 7 removal cards and 7 stax cards? I typically consider wrath effects to be removal.
3 months ago
Rhystic Study and Mystic Remora for cheap and efficient card-draw engines. They would draw less hate than Jace, Unraveler of Secrets, and since you only have two creatures in your deck, they would allow you to draw more cards than Skullclamp.
Mizzix's Mastery for graveyard recursion.
Do you have enough land to justify Doubling Cube?
Do you have enough card-draw to justify Thought Vessel?
With a counterspell to back it up, you can play Impending Disaster.
Ruination is a good way of getting rid of those annoying lands, and if your opponents are running four colors or more, it could potentially take out everything. It blows up annoying stuff like Boseiju, Who Shelters All, which could also be a great inclusion in your deck.
Land Equilibrium would be great, since your opponents will probably be playing more lands than you.
4 months ago
you are right about the lack of mana rocks, especially with land destruction in the deck. I'll consider switching out Impending Disaster for Cryptolith Rite, so if I ramp into Obliterate Cryptolith Rite will remain on the field.