Consistency is the reason you need to trim down your deck size. The reason Kuldotha Red didn't win every single game it ever played in zendikar standard is that it wasn't consistent. It had explosive draws, and it had a very fast clock. It did not get an explosive draw every game, and neither does your deck. You need to trim your deck down to 60 cards so that you have a higher percent chance of getting the cards you want when you want them and the explosive turn 1 draw this archetype needs to win.

Cue five paragraphs on why burkek is "wrong."

NO MAFTEECHR, DON'T LET HIM SUCK YOU IN AGAIN, HE'S NOT WORTH IT! Also, burkek, run.

I'd like to point out that your first sentence doesn't make sense.

Why Chandra Morphs Chancelor's Fire Gob Battlecry Army, and other Kuldotha Goblin Decks are some of the better, to best Kuldotha Goblin Decks, to be, and should be viewed, +1'ed:

You're referring to the entire subgroup of decks, Kuldotha Goblin Decks, in how much better they are than the same subgroup of decks, Kuldotha Golbin Decks. It should also be known that the deck type is better known as Kuldotha Red and it did have its heyday in Standard when Zendikar was still legal.It should also be noted that as amazing of a deck you think your deck is you're conclusions are mostly based off of theory and god hands. Which unfortunately do not happen quite as often as people would like. I think you could get a lot more support with actual gameplay analysis instead of just theory and it would help you find potential flaws that do not show themselves on paper.

Burkek thanks for commenting, there is little difference in 61 vs 60 cards, card draw odds wise.

Basically the only reason why its not a 60 card deck,is because I run 40 nonlands, 21 lands, .344% land mana ratio percentage, instead of a 40 non lands, 20 lands, .333% mana screwing drought percentage, land mana ratio.

that 1 extra land, and 61 cards, instead of 20 lands, 60 cards, is not going to hurt the deck, IF IF:

the 14 PUMP CREATURES UP CARDS, 13 BURN CARDS, come out often enough to be consistently effective.

I and others do think they come out often enough to be consistently effective enough to go with 61 cards, instead of 60 cards.

Also if I take out 1 nonland card, to goto 60 cards, instead of 61 cards, that would lower the 2 of, 3 of, 4 of, and overall card count down, which would cause the deck to be a little tiny bit less focused consistent, which would negate the reason to go down to 60 cards, in the first place, which would be to make the deck more focused effective.

Spoofed what I was basically trying to say, is that I think that there are some Kuldotha Red Goblin Decks, that are better then other Kuldotha Red Goblin decks build wise in how they are built, and that those better kuldotha red goblin decks, should be viewed +1'ed more, then other Kuldotha Red Goblin decks, and other NON kuldotha red goblin decks, other type of decks, etc.

And I think that my deck, and the decks that I compare my deck to in the article like Reinventing Kuldotha, by metalmagic, and maybe some others, should get more views, attention, comments, help, +1's, etc.

That's 1 of the reasons, why I wrote the article, and made what I think is a very good logical case. And I think others will see that too, IF they read, study the article in depth, with a open logical mind, and playtest the deck, over a large sample size, and not just skim read the article.

And you make a good point about playtesting. That's why I played the deck against top FNM tournament green white token agro, tempered steel, black,green,white birthing pod deck, another goblin deck, that have consistently placed top 4,5,6, sometimes higher, sometimes lower at FNM's.

Won 4 of 9 vs green,white aggro. Won 3 of 4 vs Tempered Steel. Won 2 of 4 vs black,green,white Birthing Pod deck. Won 3 of 4 vs RDW(placed 6th FNM), Won 2 of 4 vs a mono green Get er Done Elder, Primordial Hydra, Prime Titan, Hexproof equipment deck, Hex proof (placed 6th FNM), won 3 of 5 vs Mono red goblin deck.

have playtested on a online playtesting simulator, have done lots of sample hands.

So good point spoofed. I will definately continue to do as you have advised, by continuing to playtest it, do sample hands, and playtest it vs other top FNM decks, played, designed by 2 to 4 of the the top,better, to best players, in the Spokane city area.

Thanks for the comment spoofed

Ok because mafteechr, and apprentice, and Jodi have made comments, about lack of 3 of's , focus, even though I think I have made a very good, logical case why there is a lot of focus, consistency on 14 pump cards, 13 burn cards, 8 mana ramp cards, 6 goblin token making cards, 10 goblins, etc, then I have decided to playtest the 2 Galvanic Blast, and 2 Geosurges again.

Everybody ele can join me in doing that, if they want.

If I or anybody else honestly truly finds that Galvanic Blast doesn't CONSISTENTLY do 4 damage, instead of 2 damage, and Honestly truly finds, that the 2 geosurges, that when combined with the 3 mox opals, and 3 infernal plunges, doesn't help the Chancellor's, chandra's, come out often, early enough,turns 1,2,3, then I will do the following:

Turn the 2 Galvanic blast, and 2 Geosurges, into 1 more Gob Grenade, for 3 Grenades, 1 more Shrine, for 3 shrines, 1 more Chandra for 3 Chandras, 1 more Curse of the stalking Preys, for 3 curses.

I am going to do that to show, that I do listen, consider what is said, and because its absolutely imperative that Galvanic Blast MUST do 4 damage consistently, or it won't make the cut. And because I would really like to have 1 more curse,for 3 curses, 15 pump cards, instead of 2 curses, 14 pump, 2 more burn cards, for 15 burn, instead of 13, 1 more chsndra for 3 chandra's, instead of 2 chandras.

Those changes would be helpful, but only IF the 2 G blast don't do 4 damage consistently, and IF 2 Geosurges not consistently.

If the Geosurges are taken out, and if the Galvanic blast consistently do 4 damage, then could go with 2 blast, 3 Gob Grenades

And if the Geosurges are consistent, and the G blast are not, then could go with 3 Grenades, and either 3 Shrines, or 3 chandras.

And if both 2 G Blast Consistently deals 4 damage, and if 2 Geosurges are consistent, and if both are consistent, then there would be no changes

Ok the article has been published, so I am going start commenting in the article's comment section.

I encourage others to do the same, if they want to.

Thanks Squire for publishing the article

mafteechr, and apprentice, your cooments to each other, and to burkek, are borderline Trollative, flamative, overly negative, non constructive, non helpful, wrong, illogical,etc.

Please make better,less wrong, more right, less trollative, flamtive comments, in the future, when, if you comment.

Also when you comment, not everybody is going to agree with you, because maybe your comment doesn't make logical sense to them.

That then gives them, the chance to try to logically explain WHY they don't agree with you, and why what you said didn't make sense to them.

that then after that, is your chance to try to logically clarify, rebuttal, refute, explain, show WHY your right, and to try to CONVINCE, PERSUADE, until they either still don't agree with you, or the partially agree, partially disagree with you, and use some,or none of what you say.

That then after that is my, and others chance to try and do the same

that process is then repeated until both parties agree to either agree or disagree, or partially agree, or partially disagree, and or use or not use, and or partially use, partially don't use, none to some to most to all of what 1 or both parties, sides, said.

If after that process, someone still doesn't agree with you or do as you say, that doesn't mean they don't listen to you, consider what you say to do.

They just don't make sense out of, think your thought process, logic, in what you said to do is right.

That is the process you should follow, but don't. You don't listen to, consider what me, and others who do follow the above process, say, while expecting, commanding, demanding, that me, others do what you say, or that if don't, me, others don't, ever listen, do what you, and or anyone else says to do.

Well your wrong, I have listened to and done some of what others have said, when what others have said make sense to me.

if it don't make sense to me, then probably won't do it.

So please follow the above process mafteechr, apprentice, and don't troll and flame.

Thanks

Mike

Ok playtesting Report. Galvanic blast only does 4 damage about 39 to 43 to 53% of the time. And the 2 Geosurges, only helped Chancellor come out turns, 1,2,3, only about 13 to 17% of the time, on turns 1,2,3.

And Turns 3,4,5,6, altho the 2 Geosurges helped the 3 Chancellors come out turns 4,5,6, at least semi consistently, turns 4,5,6, it was redundant with infernal plunge, which already helps Chancellor come out turns 4,5,6,7, semi consistently turns 4,5,6,7.

I must have been very lucky the last time I playtested, to have G blast do 4 damage about 63% of the time, and for Geosurge to help get Chancellor, out turns, 1,2,3,4, a lot of the time.

So because of that, I am going to experiment, test out turning the 2 G blast, and 2 Geosurges, into 3 Grenades, 3 Shrines, 3 Chandras, 3 curses, instead of 2 of each, like before.

So did anybody else test the deck, and if so, did the G Blast, and the 2 Geosurges, do 4 damage, and help bring Chancellor out, early enough and often enough?

After the playtesting, depending on the playtesting, if the new changes aren't as good as they were before, then will undo changes.

Please feel free, if you guys want, to playtest the deck

So because of that, I am going to experiment, test out turning the 2 G blast, and 2 Geosurges, into 3 Grenades, 3 Shrines, 3 Chandras, 3 curses, instead of 2 of each, like before.

Hooray! You're taking our advice!

lol very funny mafteechr. It's a conditional taking of your advice.

And I am not taking all of the advice. After all jodi thinks Curse of the Stalked prey is stupid, and to totally get rid of, dump them.

Don't get how anybody could think Curse of the Stalked prey is stupid.

Whether or not to take your advice or not is predicated on whether 2 geosurges effectively consistently helps Chancellor come out early turns 1,2,3, or not, and whether G blast consistently does 4 damage instead of 2.

If the 2 geosurge are, were effective, and if the G Blast did 4 damage consistently, then if that were the case, then you should be able to see why I would keep the 2 G blast, and the 2 geosurges, if that were the case, instead of taking your advice

But since I was misled by the initial playtesting, and since the playtesting is now showing G Blast, Geosurge, not to be as effective, then that why I now take your advice and make the changes.

Now if you had said something like, 2 G blast, and 2 Geosurges are not effective, because G Blast doesn't consistently do 4 damage, and Geosurge doesn't consistently help Chancellor come out turns 1,2,3, and here is why, and here is some playtesting result numbers of how G blast didn't consistently do 4 damage, and how Geosurge didn't help chancellor come out turns 1,2,3,4, and that because of that, you should change the 2 geosurges, 2 G blast into 3 curse of the stslked prey, 3 grenades, 3 chandras, 3 shrines, and here is why you should do that, blah blah, etc.

If you had done something like that, I would have taken your advice, because that would have made sense to me.Remember things have to make logical sense to me. So when you give advice, your going to have to sell,convince, persuade me logically, in a way that makes sense to me, with logic, a breakdown, summary of the numbers, percents, ratios, etc.

I know that can be a hassle, and that its much easier, quicker to say something like, you should have 3 of's, because your 2 of's, are not focused.

Well that was illogical, because 14 pump cards and 13 burn cards, is not having a lack of focus.

So if there is a next time please next time try to give advice according to how I am suggesting you give advice.

And thanks for your advice, whether it is agreed with or not, followed or not, advice is always appreciated

Don't get how anybody could think Curse of the Stalked prey is stupid.

I've never seen a successful red deck run it. Results like that show that it may not be good.

That's because Curse of the stalked prey altho great, is only great in a couple, few, some decks.

Those decks would be: Werewolf, Vampire stromkirk noble, Goblin, in other words, mono red, or red, green blitz aggro decks.

The problem with Curse of the stalked prey, is you have to have a great supporting cast around it to make it work. You need to have fast 1/1's or 2/1's, or 1/2's or 2/2's for zero,1,2 mana, out turn 1,2, then get them thru to deal damage, over and over, and over.

that's hard to do even with aggro decks. First usually only have 1 or 2 1/1 to 2/2's out, then only 1,2 get thru while the other 1,2 get blocked die.

And then they only get a +1, and then next turn you either get none thru, or only 1 thru, and only a +1, then next turn none can get thru.

that's why for curse to be effective, you have to not only get lots of weenies out fast turn 1,2, and then attack turns 2,3 to pump them up with curse, but also have to constantly use removal to get your dudes thru doing damage, and getting pumped by curse.

that's why Curse of the stalked prey is so good in a kuldotha Red Goblin token deck, that has a lot of pump cards, like chieftains, battlecryers, etc

If I drop a spikeshot elder and a curse of prey or a pest 1st turn, and then drop a curse or 1 or 2 pest 2nd turn, then attack 2nd turn, it likely wont get blocked 2nd turn so now elder is a 2/2.

Then turn 3 you drop a Goblin chieftain. and if you have a metalcrafted opal out by then, if there is a blocker, you remove it, and then attack, and now Elder becomes a a 4/4(+1 from the 2nd turn attack, +1 from chieftain, +1 from 3rd turn attack)

Turn 4, you drop a wardriver, and or a pest, then you pay 3 mana deal 4 damage to remove foe's blocker, now Elder attacks as a 6/4 and becomes a 5/5

Turn 5 if foe hasn't died by turns 3,4, they are dead now on this turn, or next turn.

It's the cumalitive effect of all the +1's from chieftain, the battlecryers, and curse of the stalked prey, and the super fast goblins, and the burn removal, that combine to form VOLTRON, that makes curse of the stalked prey so nasty.

And that was just 1 curse, imagine if you had 2, or 3 of them out at the same time early.........

I have playtested the changes, and they are great. 3 chandras and 3 Shrines and 3 Grenades, and 3 curses are great, the right perfect number of them.

4 shrines, or 4 chandras are just 2 many, and 2 of each is not enough, but 3 of each is just right.

If playtesting hadn't misled me earlier, I would have put the changes in earlier. I was already considering those specific changes before mafteechr, apprentice, jodi and others suggested them.

But I got sidetracked, misled by the earlier playtesting making the G Blast seem like they would consistently do 4 damage, and the Geosurges seem like they would consistently get Chancellor out turns 1,2,3,4.

But since the new playtesting showed the 2 G blast, and 2 Geosurges to be inconsistent, and the suggested changes to be great, then I am going to follow, do those suggestion, and make the changes official permanent.

I am glad that I playtested after the changes were suggested. if I hadn't I would have found out the hard way at FNM. or even worse yet, I could have gotten very lucky, and placed top 2,3, had the 2 G Blast consistently do 4 damage, and the 2 Geosurges be consistent, and thought the changes weren't needed, and then found out the even harder way later.

So thanks for the suggestions, and causing me to playtest, figure this all out.

Now all I need to do is go buy and or trade for another chandra, and some shrines(shrines have been hard to find, buy, trade for, in my local meta).

If I get those, I will play the deck in FNM tonight, and give a report on FNM

If I drop a spikeshot elder and a curse of prey or a pest 1st turn, and then drop a curse or 1 or 2 pest 2nd turn, then attack 2nd turn, it likely wont get blocked 2nd turn so now elder is a 2/2.

Then turn 3 you drop a Goblin chieftain. and if you have a metalcrafted opal out by then, if there is a blocker, you remove it, and then attack, and now Elder becomes a a 4/4(+1 from the 2nd turn attack, +1 from chieftain, +1 from 3rd turn attack)

Turn 4, you drop a wardriver, and or a pest, then you pay 3 mana deal 4 damage to remove foe's blocker, now Elder attacks as a 6/4 and becomes a 5/5

Turn 5 if foe hasn't died by turns 3,4, they are dead now on this turn, or next turn.

Please hear me out on this:

You describe these situations which would make Curse of Stalked Prey a wonderful card. But, you're relying on A LOT of cards in order for it to be so effective.

Real advice you should consider: the meta right now will have quite a bit of tokens and mono-green. What does this mean? There will be a lot of creatures ready to block your guys, rendering the Curse very ineffective. What would be more effective? Probably more burn in it's place, to at least guarantee your guys even deal damage. What would you rather have? Your opponent Cursed and your guys getting blocked, dealing no damage? Or getting rid of their guys and dealing damage?

thats a very good point, which is why I have the ratchet bombs in the sideboard, and why the curse is a sideboard out slot.

If my deck was any other deck type, I would get rid of the curse for more burn. If I have 1 or 2 Chancellors, in opening hand, thats 1,2 tokens right there, and then 1 or 2 memnites, thats 3,4 creatures there 1st turn. Then if Kuldotha Rebirth, that's 6 creatures 1st turn.

now I realize that's not going to happen, all the time so usually I have 2,3 creatures out first turn easily, often, consistently. By turns 2,3 I have 4 to 7 creatures out, by turns 3,4 I have 6 to 9 out. That's a lot of creatures to block.

But lets say they keep up 1st game, I side in ratchet bomb, and all their tokens, and or 1,2 cmc critters, no matter how big they are, are gone. That can easily happen on turns 1,2,3,4, thus allowing my 1/1's to get thru deal damage, and then become 2/2's.

That's why I don't sideboard Slagstorm(altho I am thinking of sideboarding 2 ratchet bombs, and 2 arc trail's to deal with what you are talking about.) Slagstorm would not deal with with what your talking about.

There's a reason why the Reinventing Kuldotha deck has 70 +1's, if Curse of the Stalked Prey, is bad, don't you think that the 83 commenters, would have suggested the same as you, or that his deck wouldn't have gotten as many +1's as 70 +1's?

Against most decks, curse prey in my deck will work great. And against decks that can shut curse prey down, that's what the sideboard is for.

This problem tho is another reason why I like other burn cards over Shrine's. If I run 3 signal pest, and 3 metamorphs, and take out the 2 wardrivers, and cut the shrines and run 3 arc trails, that would maintain my artifact count for metalcraft for mox opal and rebirth to have, target.

And 3 chandra's is equal to or better then 3,4 shrines anyways.

So by putting in 3 Arc Trails, or 3 Galvanic Blast, I would get to keep my curse prey cake and get to eat it to.

Either way this is a problem that needs to be dealt with by either taking out the shrines, curse, or thru the sideboard.

Thanks for bring this up. So what do you think? I am leaning toward the taking out the shrines, and then putting the G Blast back in, and then siding 2 Arc trails, and 2 Ratchet Bombs

mikedh, could you link to cards more? I usually know what card you're talking about, but having the specific wording & little blue links everywhere helps make things look better.

I have already linked to the cards I have been talking about previously several times. In the previous post above, and in the article.

So if anybody wants to know what a Goblin Chieftain does all they have to do is go to 1 of the post above, or the article.

But if that is to much hassle for people to do, and since you did ask, I can link to cards more even if they are already linked above.

Because of the very gopod pointmafteechr made above, and because I playtested a tempory change, as a possible solution to the problem that mafteechr pointed out, I am making the following changes permanet.

Making these changes has made me decide which path, pieces of cake I want. Would be nice to have both Shrine of the Burning Rage(broken link), and Chandra, the Firebrand, and Curse of the stalked Prey.

So have to decide which is most effective. Since Chandra, is the same as Shrine but better because if also reverberates, and has ultimate ability to do 6 damage to foe, his board, Shrine gets cut.

That then allow the Shrines to be turned into 3 Galvanic Blast, and since that makes it so that I can remove creatures better,faster then shrine, so that Goblins get thru, do damage, get bigger, because of Curse Prey, then Curse Prey Stays in, and Shrine gets cut.

And because Galvanic Blast is in, that maes it possible to go with 3 Phyrexian Metamorph instead of just 2, and 3 Signal Pest, instead of 2 Pest and 2 Goblin Wardriver,(which gets cut). And Pest helps give Galvanic Blast, and Mox Opal Metalcraft, and feeds Kuldotha Rebirth better, which will synergize, cause the deck to play faster.

I would like the have the Wardrivers, because they are 2/2's that battlecry, that can be pumped by Goblin Chieftain, and other pumper, and thus resist removal better, but since they are not a artifacft, and cost 2 mana instead of 1, they are slower.

Pest, altho easier to remove, only cost 1 mana, are artifacts, battlecry pump, are harder to block, can be pumped, except not by Chieftain. It was a very hard choice to decide betwen Pest or Wardriver.

Now if I had turned the 3 Cyrse Preys, into 3 Shrines, then since would have more artifacts, then I might have gone with 3 Wardrivers, over Pest, because Chieftain can pump Wardrivers.

If I took out the 3 Curse Preys tho, I would have turned them into 1 Kuldotha Rebirth, for 4 of them, 1 Goblin Grenade, for 4 Goblin Grenades, instead of 3, 1 Wardriver. Turn 1 Pest into 1 Wardriver, for 2 Pest, 2 Wardrivers, 20 creatures, and turned the 3 Galvanic Blast, into 3 Shrines.

But I am going to go with the Curse Preys, and the 3 Galvanic Blast, and 3 Grenades, and 3 Rebirths, and 3 Pest, 19 creatures, instead, because in playtesting, Spikeshot Elder just didnt pump up enough to be as effective, without the curse preys.

Also 4 Rebirths, often gives a rebirth with nothing to use it on, where that doesnt happen as often with 3 of them.

So the these changes are permanent now.

I have created a Meta Maybe Switchboard, that is kind of like a combination of a sideboard, switchboard, Maybe board.

I put all the cards in this special board, in,on the maybe board section of the deck page's deck list.

In Between tournaments, depending on local,regional Meta, I will sideboard cards, in and out, as if it was a sideboard, BETWEEN TOURNAMENTS(legal), and NOT NOT between games, matches, in a tournament(NOT legal).

I have explained how I will do this and what I will switchboard sideboard in and out for what, in a comment on the deck page.

Here is the Meta Maybe Switchboard, Maybe board:

3 Arc Trail, 3 Shrine of Burning Rage, 3 Goblin Wardriver, 3 Curse of Stalked Prey, 3 Galvanic Blast, 3 Signal Pest

The Base Deck list is still the same, and the G Blast, Pest, Curse Prey, are still part of the base deck list on the linked deck page.

They are only on the Switchboard, because, they will be switched out, when stuff from the switchboard are sided in.

I'd jus Fling Okk's all day' an Goblin Grenade the Goblin Arsonist..

Olowleye: OKK is not standard legal, and even if it was, it can't attack or block. Yes you could Fling it, but then you would only get 4 damage, out of the 2 cmc fling. Also would have to run 3 OKK's, and that would cause you to get screwed, if you had OKK's, out, and didn't have any flings. And if you have fling and no OKK's, or no Chancellor's out, then your going to wish you had a Galvanic Blast, or a Goblin Grenade instead.

This is why Galvanic Blast, and Goblin Grenade is better then fling.

Spikeshot Elder is better then Goblin Arsonist, or Goblin Fireslinger, in this deck. I can use Spikeshot Elder, and Grenade, just as easily as Arsonist and Grenade. And Arsonist is a 1 time shot thing.

Spikeshot Elder can consistently do 2 to 4 damage, over and over by pumping the Spikeshot Elder up, and then paying 3 mana to activate Spikeshot Elder's ability to do 2 to 4+ damage to target player or creature. I can do that with Spikeshot Elder 1 to 2 times per turn, after turns 2,3,4,5.

So that's why Spikeshot Elder is better, in this deck, with the right support cards around it.

If want to see a FNM Report, I posted a FNM report in a comment on my deck list page for my deck.

I had to mullingan 5 games out of 3 matches, and had to double mulligan, and tripple mulligan. So only consistently only getting 1 land, or no land, or all land, mulliganning, bad draws, etc really screwed me.

I did learn something though. mafteechr is right that with all the tokens, swarm, aggro, hordes, undying,zombie, spirits, etc,l in the meta now, I am going to need more burn.

That's why I turned the 3 Curse of Stalked Prey into 1 Goblin Wardriver 1 Galvanic Blast 1 Goblin Grenade , for 4 Galvanic Blast, and 4 Grenades, instead of 3 of each.

And if need to between tournaments can either turn 1 Phyrexian Metamorph , and 1 Galvanic Blast, and 1 Grenade, into 3 Arc Trail , or into 3 Curse of Stalked Prey , depending on the meta, and on whether meta is play fast aggro swarm decks, or whether playing slower decks, with bigger creatures.

These changes, should help, as I was 1 Galvanic Blast, and or 1 grenade, and or 1 Arc Trail away from winning 1, or 2 more games, matches, if I had, had just 1 more burn spell, which would have placed me in the prize pool, despite the EPIC BAD LUCK, DRAWS, mulligans, double mulligans, triple mulligans, I was having

yea, i just enjoy flinging the big bastuard haha. Spikeshot Elder is pretty wicked though. I wouldnt mind using some Act of Treason so you can Infernal Plunge the sac creature an use that 3red mana for Spikeshot Elder's ability. sort of a strange combo though would be a sweet removal with the added burn.

definately going to have to add 4 Vexing Devils, and 2 Thunderous Wraths to this deck.

$ Goblin Grenades, 3 Vexing Devils, 2 Thunderous Wraths, 3 Brimstone Volleys, 3 Chandra's, Burn City.

So going to have to make some changes to the deck.