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Memory Crystal
Artifact
Buyback costs are reduced by (2).
kharsonist on
Orvar CEDH
3 years ago
tsewall I like some of your additions. Ive been on the fence on Spellstutter Sprite but I like it.
Tolaria and swarmyard I like, but being non-islands makes a High Tide win harder.
Also I plan on putting blue sun back in, I was testing staff as an easier drawing outlet but blue sun is an easier tutor.
Memory Crystal is worth keeping because it allows for earlier wins. Getting whim to be 1 mama is much easier than playing then copying Sapphire Medallion most turn 4 wins involve this card early for me.
Drift is good because it basically doubles the chance of Spellseeker Spellseeker is the best card in the deck honestly, its the only thing that the card is intended for.
The issue with a lot of cards you don't like is me struggling to always win with infinite mama. It's getting better but I've had some games that I can infinite mama turn 2 or 3 and have no card draw outlet due to resources getting other turn 1 or 2.
I might get rid of Inga Rune-Eyes because it's too conditional and I could get something better.
Extraplanar Lens I'm conflicted on because it enables a lot of good stuff. It's bacially a worse high tide in most cases. It synergizes really well with the untaps cards like Hidden Strings . Combining off feels mostly based on the mama produced > spell cost ratio and increasing mana production is important. I will consider more by playing though.
These fringe tutors in cedh are actually extremely important though to get cards to combo off of. I think blue black orvar is prob better than mono blue, mostly access to ad naus and good tutors but I like trying to make mono blue work.
tsewall on
Orvar CEDH
3 years ago
Ok, so as a beforehand this may be a longer post because I'm debating turning my casual Orvar list into a cEDH list myself. So it'll be a bit of out loud brainstorming :P Hope it's helpful and not TLDR...
Lands: Tolaria West as an additional tutor for Mystic Sanctuary or Nykthos (or in a pinch a mana rock or pact of negation on a combo turn)
Swarmyard can provide some incidental protection for Orvar
Things I'm considering that aren't on your list Creatures:
Spellstutter Sprite With Orvar out it hits any two drop. being able to gradually increase it's effectiveness with one mana cantrips seems good, especially when you are also playing cloud of fairies... which leads me into
Glen Elendra Archmage is a little high on the CMC side, but we're already running lots of 4 drops and a six drop as a potential win con. So I think at first glance the downside is negligible. Plus it plays into the inadvertent fairy theme...
Artisan of Forms is literally the best creature on the field. Both hers and Orvar's ability trigger's on cast. So you just stack her trigger first then copy whatever she becomes and get that as the token. Instant speed Dockside Extortionist ?
Vedalken AEthermage Literally only running for wizard cycling. Most of our outlets are wizards. In your current list you have 8. all worth tutoring for IMO. I'm currently running like 9-10 so it's pretty impactful
Venser, Shaper Savant Acts like spellstutter sprite, but hit's anything. And you can just let the copy go away upon resolution of the legend rule.
Spells: For sake of brevity I'll just list the cards you don't have on your list that I'm considering and why I'm considering them...
Glamerdye can target lands (which is probably one of Orvar's strongest abilities) and it has retrace, so it's recurable, and instant speed. all plusses.
Dizzy Spell tutor or copy trigger. essentially a modal spell. very good.
Cerulean Wisps cantrips and untaps a creature, potentially very useful depending on cedh meta. I have Kraum and Pako in mine so having a blocker is often needed. Also can help slow annoying tymna.
Rescue is interesting, still not sold on it. But it does give you a copy of a creature, and allows you to save/replay an etb critter. Orvar is able to mitigate losing creatures by making copies of them usually, but he can't save himself and copying into a board wipe does nothing.
Blink of an Eye target's permanents, can draw you a card and there is another card with a different name that does the same thing
Flood of Recollection Pet card of mine, single use but I like it on turns I want to go off with High Tide and don't want to exile it with JVP or Snapcaster. works well with Narset's reversal too...which I'm not running lol.
Run Away Together considering this as a way to deal with a threat and copy one of my creatures.
Cards I love:
Energy Tap this is great. didn't even consider it. solid inclusion.
Time Spiral and transmute artifact... mentioning these just because I'm jealous...
Treachery Ditto ^
Sakashima of a Thousand Faces love the silly synergy with Nykthos. Ridiculous.
Pyre of Heroes This is silly, didn't even see this spoiled. Birthing pod in colorless? are they crazy!
Cards I'm "meh" on:
Memory Crystal You're only running (I think) two buyback spells. So most of the time it's a dead card. I see Drift of Phantasms, but id rather be tutoring for the buyback card or something more impactful. Also copying sapphire medallion helps buyback and other non buyback spells.
Drift of Phantasms very linear tutor in cedh imo. I get that it hits hullbreacher, spellseeker, etc. I think I would personally rather slot additional control. But if you love the card run the card.
Inga Rune-Eyes Not impactful enough for me in a 4 drop slot. scrying one statistically is akin to drawing half a card, so three is one and a half?. You could run the 3 drop fairy that draws you a card for more fairy synergy lol... sorry, maybe I have a fairy problem. Also, I'm not sure how often you'll get her second line to happen. I don't see how you trigger that without investing multiple cards to copy her? unless I'm missing something? does it happen often for you?
Grim Monolith without an infinite mana outlet I don't think it does enough. Also I didn't Sol Ring in your list easy swap?
Extraplanar Lens In general I think this is a bad card. ramp it out early and someone smashes it, your down a land and probably a turn. Plus you have to imprint a land every time you make a copy of it. so the downside for their removal becomes even greater in my estimation. Orvar already ramps well enough to not need this card. but high risk high reward I guess.
I'm also soft on the tribute/trinket mage. They're good for the thing they grab but they're not ultimately what I want to be copying. you could run Shipwreck Dowser and Salvager of Secrets instead and lean into the Archaeomancer synergies, but then our cost is getting higher, and obviously you could copy what they tutor for... back to the balance of creature targets vs permanent targeting spells...
I think that's it... If I missed why you are running something let me know, like I said I'm brainstorming myself so the discourse will be super helpful for me, hope this was helpful for you! Also I should go back and read comments... yeah I'm that guy...
Thanks for posting the list!
pskinn01 on What happens if buyback cost …
6 years ago
The lowest the buyback cost can go is 0. But you still must choose to pay it. In other words, you still have to state you are casting it with buy back.
I have seen someone have Memory Crystal, Emerald Medallion, and Cloud Key naming instants to make millions of saprolings with Sprout Swarm. Cast with buy back becomes just . So cast with buy back tapping forest. Cast again with buy back using the sapproling to pay convoke cost. Repeat any number of times.
bbluebaugh on What happens if buyback cost …
6 years ago
I know the rules state that buyback cannot cost less than 0 but is it possible for them to cost 0? for example Sprout Swarm with Memory Crystal?
Eiti3 on
MC Mizzix Spittin' Straight Fire
8 years ago
Just a few suggestions:
- Mycosynth Lattice + Herald of Kozilek combo.
- Sphinx-Bone Wand: Free pings?
- Then a Sphinx-Bone Wand + Mystic Speculation + Memory Crystal + Omniscience/Some other form of infinite mana = Kill All Combo
- Radiate: I have seen some combos with this card that is utterly horrifying. I had one friend do Radiate + Chaos Warp
- Fork: From what I have read on the rules, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, is that this actually copies the spell identically. X costs paid, kickers paid, storm, etc when you use this to copy.
- Chandra, the Firebrand: Not the best card, but it's at least a one time copy spell.
- Tezzeret's Gambit: Draw and proliferate?? Yes please.
- Volcanic Awakening: If you really want to be that guy...
- Grapeshot/Titan's Revenge/Ignite Memories: Need more burn imho, but that's just me.
Just a few suggestions. Let me know what you think!
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