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When Khalni Gem enters the battlefield, return two lands you control to their owner's hand.
Tap: Add two mana of any one color to your mana pool.
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Khalni Gem Discussion
1 month ago
The next step is to make sure your mana ramp is in order. It is really important to have at least 10 ways to ramp, and with Atraxa, you might even want to add one or two more in the future. For now, you should stick to 10 so you can test the deck’s other components.
Something I noticed is that you had Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse counting as mana ramp cards. These should never be thought of as ramp. Mana ramping is taking any action that puts you ahead of the amount of mana you could have available if you only dropped lands. Evolving wilds counts as your land drop, and while it fixes your mana by going to get any color you need, it does not put you ahead on your amount of available mana. In fact, it puts you behind because it comes in tapped. Fixing is great and important in a four color deck, but the more lands you have coming in tapped, the more you’ll set yourself behind. You can still run a good amount of taplands, but having a good ramp package can help soften the blow. Once you get good duals, the ramp starts to work even better.
It is always of utmost importance that your ramp is both cheap and long-lasting. The biggest downside to not playing green is not being able to ramp mana as effectively. This is because the other colors have to resort to mana rocks and mana dorks, artifacts and creatures that tap for mana. Using ramp like this can be fast and effective, but you are always vulnerable to board wipes and removal. One Vandalblast will ruin anyone's day if all their ramp is artifact based. Luckily, you are playing green, so you should never have to worry about rocks getting blown up. All of your ramp should be land focused, unless you have a really good reason for using something more synergistic. It is kind of a widespread unspoken courtesy that people do not actively use mass land destruction in EDH. Sure, there are those that do, but WAY more people come ready to blow up all artifacts/creature/enchantments when they need to. This makes throwing extra lands out a safe way to ensure you get ahead on mana and STAY ahead on mana.
Let's go down all your ramp one by one and see what better options you have:
1) Cultivate is exactly the kind of spell you want to be ramping with. It finds two of your colors, puts you ahead on mana, and guarantees you'll make your next land drop. You would be hard pressed to find a multicolor EDH deck with green that doesn't want this card.
2) Darksteel Ingot looks good on paper, but 3 mana is a lot to pay for a rock, even if it gives you all your colors and is indestructible. The Ingot may have indestructible, but stuff like Merciless Eviction or Play of the Game don't care anyway.
REPLACEMENT: There are, however, reasons to want 3 CMC ramp cards. For instance, Cultivate is so good, it didn't need a replacement. It is SO good, that you actually should use it's twin Kodama's Reach to replace the Ingot. It may seem like the flexibility of Ingot adding any of your four colors is worth it, but something like Kodama's reach, when working with a good mana base, can actually be more effective, because it can give you two of the colors you need simultaneously, instead of giving you access to one at a time. That's on top of being land based rather than artifact based.
3) Fellwar Stone is where we start to make exceptions for rocks based on power. In a 4 player game, Fellwar almost always taps for any color you need. The power of a rock skyrockets when it costs less than 3, can tap for multiple colors, and can be used right away. This one is a great call, and its benefit in the early game will outweigh it's vulnerability to mass artifact destruction.
4) Golgari Signet is a great rock, but not being able to tap right away and only getting two of your colors makes it not work as great as land based ramp. Keeping most of your ramp to 2 CMC will help you cast 4 drops (Like your commander) on turn 3. It also means you could be more likely to cast two ramp spells on the same turn and start flying ahead. It also means you could ramp and still have room to cast other spells. That kind of advantage doesn't seem like much, but it makes turns worth of difference.
REPLACEMENT: To keep this slot to 2 CMC, the best option would be Farseek. It can grab any Plains, Island, or Swamp and put it into play tapped. This will become super important once you acquire dual lands that have basic land types because it can go get a Plains/Forest or an Island/Swamp, giving you access to two more colors instead of just fetching a basic land.
5) Khalni Gem is just straight up bad unless you have a reason to bounce lands to your hand. 4 mana and returning two lands is way too steep a price. It doesn't even put you ahead on the turn you play it. On top of that, it can only add one color at a time.
REPLACEMENT: Rampant Growth is a shoe-in here. 2 mana, gets any color you need. It only gets basics, but that is fine as long as your mana base is built right and you know your deck well.
REPLACEMENT: So this is a case where you can make a replacement that ignores the downfalls of the original card by being super synergistic with your deck. Might I introduce you to Astral Cornucopia! It will most of the time cost 3 mana just like Manalith, and tap for any color just like Manalith, but every time you proliferate, it will tap for more mana. This can get WAY out of hand with all the proliferating your deck is trying to do. You may find it becomes too hot of a target for removal, but the benefit here is super unique to your deck and is worth running until your playgroup starts to hate it out of existence.
REPLACEMENT: Another easy 2 CMC option to slot in here is one of the best ramp spells you can have, Sakura-Tribe Elder A.K.A. STEVE! It is basically Rampant Growth on a creature. This makes it crazy good because you can play it and have it out as a blocker, sacrifice it after it blocks, and go get your land. You can sac it on the end step before your next turn after playing it and basically see the same benefit as a Rampant Growth, but with the added benefit of having had a creature out that whole time. Hell, if you don't need the land and would rather have a blocker, keep him out longer and sac him in response to anything that would kill him or exile him. On top of that, it could be something you give infect to in a pinch. Master Biomancer could even make him huge when he enters. Any powerful effect that can be stuck on a creature adds so many benefits, you'd be hard pressed not to want it.
8) Sol Ring is always amazing. Nuff Said.
9) Temple of the False God is pretty awful in a four color deck. It can make your opening hands terrible, and shouldn't even really count as a land in most cases. If you're not counting it as a land, then it should fall into the ramp category, but in this case it ramps you one mana ahead, but gives you no colors, and replaces your land drop. On top of that, it wont work until turn 5 at the earliest. This is will be a feel-bad card a lot of the time.
REPLACEMENT: Harrow is ridiculous good. It costs 3 mana, but leaves you with 2 more mana to use after it resolves, effectively making it cost 1. Sacrificing a land is a small price to pay to go get two lands and have them come in untapped. It can fix your colors, put you ahead, and allow you to cast more spells that turn. Basically all the good gravy.
10) In order to make the 10th ramp slot, another cut will have to be made. As cool a Plague Myr is in the deck, I think it is best to consider that most of the time it will just be a 2 mana 1/1 with infect, because you'll want to spread those poison counters. When you do need it to be a mana dork, it might not even give you the colors you need. This kind of low impact is not enough to justify crippling your ability to ramp effectively, so for now it should go to your maybeboard. I would continue to keep it in mind in mind for the future if you feel another 2 cmc infect creature might as well become something that taps for mana occasionally. For instance, this could come back in to replace black mamba in the future if playtesting deems it viable.
REPLACEMENT: There a few really great options left. Chromatic Lantern is going way down in price due to the upcoming reprint, so I would definitely have that at the top of the list for this slot. For now however, you can stick to a land based ramp spell that I can mail to you. Nature's Lore is fantastic because it costs 2, searches for a Forest rather than a basic land, and puts the Forest in untapped. This means it can go get dual lands with forest as one of their two types, or even something crazy good for your deck: Murmuring Bosk. Nature's Lore should take priority over rampant growth once you have enough good duals, but for now, Lantern and Rampant work better together.
If you get Lantern, don't use nature's lore until you have enough duals to make it worth replacing rampant growth with it. If you don't get Lantern, Use both Nature's lore and Rampant Growth.
These changes should make your mana much smoother and more effective in the long-term, as well as allow you to cast most anything when you need to. Continue to think about whether you should add 1 or 2 more after you've play-tested a bit.
2 months ago
Few possible suggestions:
- Ranging Raptors
- Green Sun's Zenith
- Primal Command
- Relentless Assault
- Pulse of Murasa
- Oran-Rief Hydra
Using the ability of the Avenger of Zendikar:
And since you have land recursion, you could even look into more things that require you to sac lands, or destroy everyone's lands!
Or maybe stuff to get lands back in your hand, but still ramp you at the same time?
3 months ago
I think Rites of Flourishing is in the wrong place under Mana Doublers. Ghirapur Orrery could also be added to Group Hug. Sylvan Advocate should also be under Lords. You could add Nature's Will and Earthcraft to untappers. Life and Limb is another Animator. Turntimber Sower goes under Token Generators. Storm Cauldron is amazing under Play Extra Lands and Stax. Not sure if you'd want to include Scorched Ruins and Lotus Vale as some sort of sac outlet and ramp. Khalni Gem could go under bounce along with Mina and Denn, and also Golgari Rot Farm, Gruul Turf, Rakdos Carnarium, and Darigaaz's Caldera.
You can also look at my Windgrace deck for any other cards I missed.
5 months ago
How to infinite (almost) anything with three cards.
Goal of this thread:
I hope to show you three cards that together can infinite almost anything. Don't believe me? Read on! These three cards are legal in Commander, Casual and Legacy.
Combo 1 - Infinite mana:
1) Tap Khalni Gem for two blue mana. 2) Tap Vizier of Tumbling Sands to untap Khalni Gem. 3) Use one blue mana on Freed from the Real to untap Vizier of Tumbling Sands. 4) Tap Khalni Gem for two of any colour mana. 5) Tap Vizier of Tumbling Sands to untap Khalni Gem. 6) Use the other blue mana on Freed from the Real to untap Vizier of Tumbling Sands.
You end up with two mana of any colour and are back in the original state of the board. Just rinse and repeat, watch the mana flood in.
1) TapCivilized Scholar Flip to activate their ability. 2) Tap Vizier of Tumbling Sands to untap Civilized Scholar Flip. 3) Tap Khalni Gem for two blue mana. 4) Use one blue mana on Freed from the Real to untap Vizier of Tumbling Sands. 5) Tap Vizier of Tumbling Sands to untap Khalni Gem. 6) Use the other blue mana on Freed from the Real to untap Vizier of Tumbling Sands.
So, is that all this can do?! The answer to that, my friends, is no! Oh no. The two combos above are just the start of it. Played correctly, you can do some pretty insane stuff. Adding in just one more card can allow you to take full control of the game easily. Let's go through some examples:
Say you have an Elvish Piper on the field. You can use Combo 1 to generate some green mana, tap Elvish Piper to get a creature from your hand onto the battlefield, then use Combo 2 to untap Elvish Piper. Rinse and repeat. Throw in a card that allows you to draw cards like Azure Mage and you can get ALL creatures from your library onto the battlefield!
Say you have a Willbreaker on the field. You can use Combo 2 to untap all of your oponents creatures. Even if they are not tapped, they are still being targeted by Vizier of Tumbling Sands's ability. Therefore, due to Willbreaker's ability, you gain control of them. So you can gain control of all your opponents' creatures.
Point Of Interest:
Another reason I really like this combo is that even without the full engine up and running, you can make some pretty disgusting plays. For example, say you have Vizier of Tumbling Sands out and enchanted with Freed from the Real, you can effectively pay one blue mana to untap any permanent that you want! Also, Khalni Gem is just a brilliant card, if you get it out early, you gain so much advantage. Or better yet, Gilded Lotus. Having both in a deck would make this combo much more consistant.
I hope you find this combo interesting. I don't know how people haven't found this already but it is proving to be one of the most powerful things I have ever put into a deck. (I built a Willbreaker deck with this combo). Have fun and let me know what you do with this.
7 months ago
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8 months ago
What do you think of something like Khalni Gem so you can get more landfall triggers?
8 months ago
The main strategy I'd go with is generating large amounts of artifact tokens/creatures to win with either riches or crazy recursion loops with giant beaters, sacking a few myr or thopters with something like Champion of Stray Souls to bring back all your giant beasties. This is just a bunch of possible options that would help with that strategy.
Suggested Lands, don't need that many basics since you won't be fetching that many in U/B
Jwar Isle Refuge
Geier Reach Sanitarium
Arch of Orazca
- Magnifying Glass
- Ruthless Knave
- Revel in Riches
- Deadeye Plunderers
- Sly Requisitioner
- Genesis Chamber
- Prototype Portal
- Golem Foundry
- Pitiless Plunderer
- Myr Sire
- Efficient Construction
- Prying Blade
- Tamiyo's Journal
I'm not dead yet!
- Soul of New Phyrexia
- Artisan of Kozilek
- Betrayal of Flesh
- Champion of Stray Souls
- Diabolic Servitude
- Dread Return
- Ever After
- Hell's Caretaker
- Infernal Offering
- Profane Command
- Stitch Together
- Tempt with Immortality