Wintermoor Commander
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Wintermoor Commander

Creature — Human Knight

Deathtouch

Wintermoor Commander's toughness is equal to the number of Knights you control.

Whenever Wintermoor Commander attacks, another target Knight you control gains indestructible until end of turn. (Damage and effects that say "destroy" don't destroy it.)

legendofa on What is Gruul to you?

1 year ago

I think I'm not explaining myself well.

My central thought is that + does not equal . Red might not get deathtouch, but green has full access to it. Why should a red/green card not get deathtouch simply because red doesn't get deathtouch?

White doesn't get deathtouch either, but Arvad the Cursed, Spiteful Squad, Wintermoor Commander, and others have deathtouch. This can only be provided by the requirement.

doesn't get first strike. Sky Spirit, Leap of Flame, Deft Duelist, and others all have first strike provided by their other colors.

Ergo, a color can provide one of its abilities to a card, even if another color can't.

can provide first strike to a card, even a card, with Neheb, the Worthy, Stromkirk Captain, and Halana and Alena, Partners.

can provide deathtouch to a card, as shown by Needlethorn Drake, Winged Coatl, and Venomthrope.

So why is unable to provide deathtouch to (and ) cards? Is somehow better at removal than these colors?

I promise I'm not asking these questions rhetorically, or in anger. I genuinely don't fully understand. And as I was writing this response, I realize my position hearkens back to GDS3 and the infamous flying vigilance question. To which I respond that since that question was asked, Warrant / Warden was printed, and still no vigilant flyer.

And I think I've derailed this enough. If anyone wants to help me out, start another thread and I'll respond. With my apologies, let's get this back to the many faces of Gruul in Commander.

Skysurfer on Night Knight

1 year ago

Barrow Witches feel like they would be way to slow for too little value and would probably be better if they were replaced by Knight Exemplar, more Smitten Swordmaster or Knight of the Ebon Legion, Unearth, or Benalish Marshal. If you wanted to be spic maybe Wintermoor Commander, Shadowspear or Guardian of Faith are interesting options. I would also cut 1-2 lands because off 22 you will usually consistently hit 3-4 land without hard flooding. Stoneforge Masterwork is also kind of 50/50 and might be worth cutting 2-3 of them because its rather slow and half the time I think you would rather have more knights instead. Hope this helps

railbones on Sword tribal

2 years ago

Diamond Knight is probably pointless in a 3 color deck, especially one with so many colorless cards. Id also say that Benalish Honor Guard won't be too helpful considering you only have 5 legendary creatures including your commander, itll be hard to actually draw them in the 99. Id suggest a Puresteel Paladin and Fighter Class for more equipment support, and Wintermoor Commander for some knight renforcement. Also some more ramp like the boros, orzhov, and rakdos signets, mana issues could shut down ur deck really quick. I also made sure most of the cards i recommended had swords in the art to not stray from the deck's idea.

iDescendance on Knights

3 years ago

I did a similar Orzhov (BW) Knights Deck Knights of Exile, though we did some things differently. I went at mine with a Spike mindset, but if you're happy with what you have, I'm all for it.

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Cards You Should Remove:

  • Kunoros, Hound of Athreos (doesn't synergize with Knights, not a bad card though)
  • Kaya, Orzhov Usurper (doesn't synergize with Knights. I had her in an older iteration of my deck but realized she doesn't give any value to my Knights at all. I would recommend swapping her with Gideon Blackblade, better for what you're doing)
  • Evolving Wilds (It's not bad, you should understand that you can only pull Swamps and Plains with it)
  • Forever Young (The first iteration of my deck had that sort of "bring shit back from the dead" mindset behind it, but I find it's not super effective for what Knights are)
  • Tymaret Calls the Dead (doesn't synergize with Knights, just forces you to mill and potentially lose Knights which you're playing)
  • Underworld Dreams (doesn't synergize with Knights, not a bad card though)

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Cards I Would Recommend:

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Deck Building Tips:

  • Constantly be asking yourself "What value does this bring to what I'm playing?" Synergy is fun to play with, but you also have to play around what helps you get to that synergy.
  • A bad card that's good when you have another card with it is a deck building trap. I fall victim to it all the time, I tend to read card effects and love the card before I realize what it means to the deck.
  • Figure out what your strategy of your deck is. I like playing Midrange, so I tend to play for the lategame with ways to keep me going until then. Another iteration of the Knights deck is Mardu (RBW) that focuses on equipment spells and being Aggro (you play for the early game and want to win as soon as possible). Find your playstyle, and look at ways other people are running that playstyle.
  • If all else fails, netdeck. If you didn't know what that was already, it means copying someone else's deck and running it yourself. Many in the MTG community dispute it, but it's not a bad thing to use as a learning tool.

Hope this helps!

Scallywallwest on

3 years ago

You might want to fix the land base. Not that having 24 swamps is bad, but you could definitely add some more utility lands. You may want to consider Castle Locthwain . As you said, you won't be dropping life that often, so the drawback on this may not be as bad.

If you're really going for the Knight Tribal theme, you may want to add in some tribal cards to boost them or gain effects from them. For some of these, you'll have to splash white, but again, that's up to you: The Circle of Loyalty , Wintermoor Commander , Blacklance Paragon , or Knights' Charge .

Good luck with your deck!

Podkomorka on Pauper EDH Deck Compendium

3 years ago

Decks added:

Nametagg0 on Syr Jirina

3 years ago

Wintermoor Commander + Knight Exemplar or Riders of Gavony + Concerted Effort will be an exciting combo for giving creatures indestructible/Protection on mass

Corpse Knight + Knights' Charge is a nice life leech combo aswell.

Aryel, Knight of Windgrace + Worthy Knight might make for a nice token mill

Apollo_Paladin on Mardu Speed Knights (MTG Arena Build)

4 years ago

Thanks for the comment!

I'm avoiding adding anything with mana cost 3 or higher (unless it has a mechanic to reduce its cost) because with a low land count they make it difficult to cast multiple spells per turn (as well as use up all mana).

I'm still on the fence with Wintermoor Commander because his only real function with this deck build would be his Indestructible granting ability -- and even that isn't useful as much as you'd think since I can usually get quite a horde of creatures swinging very early on and then just use Bone Splinters or Conclave Tribunal to remove any real blocking threats. Originally I thought the Indestructible ability would at least come in handy vs. direct damage decks, but it doesn't seem to make a huge difference even there since using him you have to declare your target(s) first making it minimal protection at best.

Generally speaking (based on my observations playtesting) any deck that can have enough creatures on the board to really be able to do serious blocking against a good initial hand-draw has very weak/cheap creatures and one removal spell is all that's really needed. Indestructible just isn't serving a huge function, or if it is, it's pretty sporadic based on most of the deck types I've run up against playing Standard format.

On some of your other suggestions, I'd thought about Blacklance Paragon but I'm a bit torn as to what I'd drop to add him in. The only reason he was left out of the original build is that the deck is set up to use up all available mana each turn to keep the pressure on, so the Flash thing isn't really an option for defense. I guess he could still bring some surprise Deathtouch while attacking, but since I can't make full use of his abilities very much I took a pass. Maybe I'll play around with him once I sort things with Wintermoor and give him another look.

My issue with Stormfist Crusader is that I don't like giving my opponent extra cards. In general, unless a deck has some kind of additional mechanic or synergy utilizing card draw in some way; I've found giving the opponent card draws to be a fairly poor idea at any cost. I've also only got Smitten Swordmaster for lifegain myself so force-losing life per turn could be bad (especially since with this build I'm generally paying the 2 life on Shock Lands when they enter play). Having one in play might be manageable but games with multiples in play would almost certainly get too crazy.

As for Syr Gwyn, I'd have to completely rebuild the deck to include equipment and play to his mechanic. The card draw off of him is nice, but by the time a 6-mana drop enters play there won't be a ton of creatures in-hand to really make much use of it beyond occasionally topdecking a creature draw for an extra card or two. So far it's been doing incredibly well as a Speed Deck as-is so I'm going to have to pass on that one. Most games I can win finish with only 3 or 4 mana in play.

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