Hivepact

Modern cmsrDPM

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Steiny156 says... #1

I don't think this works because you have no way of forcing them to cast a pact.

August 10, 2017 3:01 a.m.

Steiny156 says... #2

Nevermind I was thinking of another card.

August 10, 2017 3:02 a.m.

ulmo says... #3

is Pact of Negation out of budget? seems like it would fit. really enjoy this build!

August 30, 2017 10:08 a.m.

cmsrDPM says... #4

ulmo I could totally add 1 or 2 Pact of Negations, I am hesitant to give my opponent ways to use the stack. Unlike the other pacts (except for Slaughter Pact) I don't need anything from my opponent; Pact of Negation needs a spell on the stack. I will admit it is a good way to protect Hive Mind while that spell is resolving. I may side board it over Guttural Response.

I do have to admit I love the 2 devotion to blue.

August 30, 2017 12:25 p.m.

ulmo says... #5

Yeah, you may have to test play it a little to see how it interacts with the rest of the deck but the deck is izzet (so 2 blue mana is easy) and with all the ramp you may be able to crack a Lotus Bloom to pay the 5cmc before your opponent has 5 lands as a sneaky alt win-con.

August 31, 2017 10:36 p.m.

KraKra21 says... #6

This deck seems so fun to play and will probably result in your opponent facepalming. Love this deck!

September 12, 2017 12:19 a.m.

MrSilk says... #7

I love the out of the box playstyle here! If I were you, I'd add in more rainbow mana like 4x Aether Hub and maybe some Reflecting Pools to synergize with the rainbow mana and/or Lotus Bloom, that way you can always pay the mana cost of the pacts you're playing next turn.. If for whatever reason your opponent blocks the effect.

You can also look into some Vivid Creek, Vivid Marsh, Vivid Grove, Vivid Crag, Vivid Meadow etc for some mana fixing.

Other than that.. Like I said. I love it!

September 12, 2017 11:55 a.m.

cmsrDPM says... #8

MrSilk I already had 4 Lotus Bloom to make the deck work. I am a little iffy on running rainbow lands since the idea is not to cast the pacts and pay for them. Summoner's Pact, Slaughter Pact, and Intervention Pact are more geared to force my opponent to pay mana they can't create or afford.

I would like to use Slaughter Pact if I could. I may run a Vivid Creek or two, but I will need to test. Thank you for the ideas.

September 12, 2017 1:38 p.m.

JakeBreake says... #9

I love everything about this; awesome deck. +1

October 5, 2017 9:17 p.m.

Hivepact is already a wincon in the Amulet Bloom combo deck in Modern. However, If you want to bring that deck in a different direction. I would try to abuse the fact that you are running pacts and Glorious End by playing Platinum Angel and, since Angel is so damn hard to cast in modern, you could try to cheat in play with something like Madcap Experiment (Even if you take lethal damage, if you reveal angel, you should still be alive after the experiment) or Trash for Treasure but not both as they require very different builds to make them work.

I understand what you are trying to do with the creatures you are currently running. However, AEther Membrane and Fog Bank are terrible. Ethereal Usher seems to slow as a tutor and it's propably not even needed considering that you are playing blue and can play a lot of good draw spells that should get you to your combo. I feel like it's also a bit awkward that you are playing all of the off color pacts maindeck and Pact of Negation (probably the best pact actually and even more so if you don't actually have to pay for it's upkeep cost with Angel) in the side.

Finally, I think this would be probably better as a control/combo deck. Therefore, you could try running some Remands and Mana Leaks maindeck. Stifle is not modern legal so if that's the format you want to play I would replace it with Trickbind (which does the same thing, costs 1 more but is uncounterable which is arguably a good thing if you don't want to loose to it being hard countered by something and you having to pay mana that you don't have or just loosing to Glorious End). I also feel that, while it's true that Lotus Bloom is usually a good acceleration for combo decks it's usually better in "All in" style combo decks which I feel like is probably less interesting for that deck.

November 6, 2017 2:26 p.m.

cmsrDPM says... #11

Card_Distiller First of all thank you for pointing out the legality of Stifle. I believe Trickbind will be good for what I want: as you point out it really can't be interacted with. I am considering more control since I have seen other combos such as Saheeli work effectively that way.

However, there are some points I can not disagree with you more. There are many spells that remove my walls, but have you ever been an aggro deck verses a Fog Bank. These creatures have on average netted me a turn; the deck just wants to stall until I dump my hand and this does it.

Running a second combo in Platinum Angel and Madcap Experiment feels like a poor choice as well. Ideally like you said I can use more pacts (most notably Slaughter Pact and Intervention Pact) with no worries. I am simply worried that even if it works and I have a 4/4 flyer out: it will be Path to Exiled in response to my trigger. Other times I will draw Platinum Angel and then I may as well not drawn a card.

Functionally scrying and drawing has proven not enough to get Hivemind, I like the Ushers because they thin the deck, and get me exactly what I want (I believe that is worth 3 mana).

November 6, 2017 6:43 p.m.

The point with the walls is that yes if you run against aggro they're ok...as long as they dont have any removal to make sure their creatures get through but what happens if you run against say 8 racks, ad nauseum, jeskay or grixis control? They're just sitting there dead while you could definitely use more efficient cards and even just not run any creatures at all.

Also you're right that platinum angel is probably going to draw some hate but that's also why you should be running more counters like remand, cryptic command and why not play a full set of pact of negation on top. You can also run some prevention in the form of Padeem, Consul of Innovation or some recursion in the form of Academy Ruin...Anyway that's just my 2 cents

November 7, 2017 2:57 p.m.

Flooremoji says... #13

May 11, 2018 3:53 p.m.

Lord_Khaine says... #14

Upvoted, because this deck is unbelievably good at delivering a surprise win out of nowhere. I especially love the use of so many cards that read "you lose the game" to win the game.

May 15, 2018 3:21 p.m.

Loreshadow says... #15

You can also Morph/Exile Hivemind for four or less mana depending how many colours you want to use. Cloudform can also give hexproof until the next turn when you flip it. Essence Flux is one of many that can do the flipping.

But you shouldn't need turn 4. Calciform Pools, Dreadship Reef, and Mage-Ring Network all ramp up for Mono-Blue. There are other coloured versions as well.

Add somes Scrying and you're good to go. Think I'll try the two card combo with some Spreading Seas and Field of Ruin.

May 16, 2018 12:48 a.m.

Polupus says... #16

I suggest Sundial of the Infinite as a reusable way to counter the pact upkeep triggers. Yeah it skips a draw but that could be an alternate wincon in the right scenario.

May 17, 2018 12:53 a.m.

Holy crap I love Trickbind in this deck that’s just dirty

August 28, 2018 6:23 p.m.

BraxTune says... #18

This is brilliant!

September 1, 2018 7:31 p.m.

Sweet deck! If you can get them I would definitely add in 3-4 copies of Leyline of Sanctity for the sideboard primarily to protect against Thoughtseize and Inquisition of Kozilek, but also to help you not lose to fast combo decks like storm which can be a turn or two faster. +1!

September 4, 2018 11 a.m.

Flooremoji says... #20

Isn't it nice how if you have a Hive Mind and a Glorious End, you don't even lose because their copy exile yours!

September 12, 2018 9:51 p.m.

jgc10 says... #21

Best description ever.

September 13, 2018 10:02 a.m.

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