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Gaddock Teeg
Legendary Creature — Kithkin Advisor
Noncreature spells with converted mana cost 4 or greater can't be cast.
Noncreature spells with in their mana costs can't be cast.
hyalopterouslemur on Why Are the Other Free …
1 week ago
Also, if you're playing at a lower power level, Trinisphere becomes weak? Mind, never completely useless, since it makes a lot of removal/counterspells cost to more, but it's not nearly as strong in a Bracket 2 deck as it is in cEDH (Conversely, Gaddock Teeg is stronger in lower brackets, but still keeps Wraths and MLD off the table in higher brackets.)
The difference is a meta issue, as so much of Magic is. I always use the example of four- and five-color decks. In the lower brackets, there's only your budget stopping you from playing as many nonbasic lands as needed, and it's possible to even build a three-color deck with no basics. (In fact, the only nonbasic hoser of note that's legal in the lower brackets is Primal Order, I think. Oh, I guess Molten Rain.) But in bracket 4 and 5? Blood Moon, Back to Basics, Winter Moon, Ruination, suddenly playing five colors is a losing strategy.
hyalopterouslemur on Naya tricks
1 week ago
Oh, here are a few more.
Toski, Bearer of Secrets is great card draw, and as a bonus, an indestructible creature is a perfect target for Lure.
Gaddock Teeg draws hate, but he can stop your opponents (and you) from casting any noncreature spells that cost 4 or more; suddenly running Fell the Profane Flip doesn't seem so clever.
Warleader's Call is an obvious inclusion in any creature deck.
Tunnel Ignus will punish fetch lands and land ramp; Aven Mindcensor will shut them down almost entirely, as well as slowing combo decks to painful levels.
All these cards are under $5, I believe.
Aexislord on
Emmara, Soul of the Tapped (EDH - Optimized)
1 year ago
Hackbrett Thank you so much for providing a link to this deck on your list in Moxfield! As per your suggestion, I have added a new section called "Recent Changes" where you will be able to see what cards I add/remove over time.
Based on the boardwipes used by your playgroup, I would recommend that you include Archon of Valor's Reach (I usually declare Sorceries) and Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines (if this one synergized with cards like Welcoming Vampire, it would be an auto include. Nevertheless, this doubles the ETB effect of Craterhoof Behemoth and you can bring in both as a finishing combo with Tooth and Nail) to replace the Avacyn, Angel of Hope and Dawnglade Regent that you took out. I am actually considering replacing Avacyn, Angel of Hope with Archon of Valor's Reach in the list regardless, and potentially replacing other Indestructible effects with Phase Out effects, since I have also felt that non-destruction boardwipes are taking over. If you really want to lock your board down, you could also include a Gaddock Teeg.
Hopefully these suggestions help, definitely let me know if you decide to try them out, and truly thank you for your support!
indieinside on ETBs?
1 year ago
I build a Gaddock Teeg deck. I am playing several cards like Hushwing Gryff and Torpor Orb. What would this look like for me if my go to enchantment is Aura Shards? Does it go off?
capwner on
The Harvesttide Festival [Human Primer]
1 year ago
Selesnya legendary toolbox was my first EDH deck, with Captain Sisay! Love the theme and flavor on this, recent changes look really solid too! Maybe Sisay herself could fit, being a human that tutors for a lot of key cards :) First thing I noticed was your amount of protection effects (which I think is a good idea in this creature strat), maybe adding something like Ghostway or Eerie Interlude which protects you through things like Toxic Deluge or Farewell could be good even though it clears your counters. Teferi's Protection is of course the peak of these cards, but I know that one's kinda spendy. Hardened Scales would probably fit well too and is $2. Yasharn, Implacable Earth, Krosan Verge, and Gaddock Teeg are some of my favorite Selesnya cards in general. Overall cool deck, I like the flavorful legends!
GodzSoldier on
staxy abzan stuff
2 years ago
I haven't played too many stax decks with these colors except for one. So I recommend Yisan, the Wanderer Bard. Not only can get around a lot of Nasty staxs like rule of law, but also makes your deck more reliable when it comes to trying to find the right piece for you match-up. It also will eventually lead you to Elesh norn :p. Second card I'd recommend is Gaddock Teeg. He essentially makes your creatures unkillable through board wipes. Obviously you have a few cards you can't then play.m, but I think the slight annoyance is worth it haha
FormOverFunction on Salty Commanders!
2 years ago
Gaddock Teeg jumps to mind, as that locks a lot of things down. Child of Alara seems to elicit groans, as does Sen Triplets. Edgar Markov is pretty relentless as well, and puts a pretty big target on the player. I’m interested to see what other recommendations people have!
Made_Compleat on People's Thoughts on Mommy Norn?
2 years ago
Oh no! A functional monowhite commander! EVERYBODY PANIC!
Alright. I get that Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines is a big deal. A decent statline, vigilance, Yarok, the Desecrated as one ability and a much, much, much better version of Hushbringer as the other. She's certainly a powerhouse. But should she see the hammer? I think not.
I'll not say that Machine Mom isn't disruptive. She can shut down a good amount of popular cards in the format, such as Bramble Sovereign, Terror of the Peaks, and the notorious combo piece Palinchron. She can and will double up monowhite Oblivion Ring style effects. Honestly, I think that doubling Seal Away type cards is going to be the stax-ier part of Mama Machine. She doesn't shut down many combo decks (unless they use the aforementioned Palinchron), and really doesn't answer most cEDH decks. She hates out on ETBs, sure, but Yasharn, Implacable Earth hates out on sacrifice, arguably better. Gaddock Teeg is just absurdly good stax, and both Gaddok and Yasharn grant access to Green.
If you want to make Elesh Norn stax, then, ok, that's probably a deck that will give everyone a headache. But... are we going to cry "BAN HER!" for one way of building around Machine Mommy? If you want to run stax, go and buy a Hokori, Dust Drinker or Oloro, Ageless Ascetic. They're much better depriving everyone of fun than New Norn. Elesh Norn can do so much more than just stop everyone from having fun.
Honestly, a lot of the complaints that I see here are against the Stax archetype in general, not Norn. And I get that Norn seems like a good Stax commander, but... If hate stax, than complain about Hokori, or Oloro, or yes, even Archelos, Lagoon Mystic. Stax has its place: cEDH and masochistic playgroups.
Something that no one here is referencing is the Game Knights video in which Josh Lee Kwai played with a (proxied) Elesh Norn, and his deck was oppressive, but nothing too bad. Notably, Norn's restrictive ability saw a lot less use than her double ability, which was used to double small value abilities, as well as oblivion ring effects. The deck won the game, but it was very close and I wouldn't say it made Norn look banable. Not by a long shot.
So, in conclusion, Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines is a powerhouse, who certainly can be a problem, but probably isn't the worst card in EDH. Really, a lot of the complaints about her are complaints about Stax in general.
Thanks for reading my rant.
Also, did anyone else notice the fact that Navani (from Brandon Sanderson's Stormlight Archive) and Elesh Norn have the same epithet? That always makes me crack up.
