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|Oath of the Gatewatch (OGW)||Uncommon|
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Devoid (This card has no colour.)
All creatures get -2/-2 until end of turn. If a creature would die this turn, exile it instead.
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Flaying Tendrils Discussion
2 days ago
I want to say the problem is that you don't have Liliana of the Veil, which really does all the things this deck wants to do, but I'm not sure if not including that card is a budget consideration. I have played 8-Rack for some time, so maybe my personal observations: 1. I'm not sure if this deck needs Sign in Blood, much less 4 copies. What has been your experience with that card? 2. You have 7 cards that triggers only when the opponent discards a card - Liliana's Caress, Waste Not and Quest for the Nihil Stone. This number may be too high, especially since the only 'repeatable' discard you have is Raven's Crime. If you play LOTV, I would say some number of those cards are still playable. As it is, I only see people play Waste Not in 8-Rack, and only as a sideboard card. 3. Most people would say that 22 lands is a bit low if you want to play 4 Smallpox, and if you have any Mutavaults and Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth you could always pop them in.
Is there any reason why you are not playing a more stock 8-rack list? I'm guessing it's the cost? In any case, some budget replacements I have been trying include things like Blinkmoth Nexus, Tomb of Urami, Phyrexian Totem, Delirium Skeins, Blackmail, Bontu's Last Reckoning, Flaying Tendrils etc.
4 days ago
I would like to begin by thanking APPLE01DOJ for the comments. I look at your build very often and have used many of your ideas with great success. I have tried Grim Flayer (and intend to try again) without the success that others have had. I have concluded that it must be me and not the card. Perhaps using it more will help me get over that hump. I often switch between Tectonic Edge and Ghost Quarter and do not change it on this list every time. With that written, I probably used Tectonic Edge much more often and have had the most success with it. I am looking to try Field of Ruin because it seems as if that is a great compromise. I agree with your comments about Hissing Quagmire and have included Treetop Village to help speed up the deck (something done after seeing it in your list). I know that I have often used Hissing Quagmire for its death touch ability more than for the damage it causes.
With regard to my match up against both Jund and Junk, it is true that Junk is a tough one, but I have (and it just may be luck) done well against Junk. Since Junk is my alternative build I have some experience with the deck and realize that Lingering Souls is that advantage they have. I feel this deck is better otherwise. So, when I have seen a lot of Junk being played I have used Illness in the Ranks in my sideboard and then I keep in some hand disruption to target Abrupt Decay and Maelstrom Pulse. I don't know if this is truly correct, but it has worked for me (perhaps because many do not expect to see Illness in the Ranks and I have heard on several occasions that since Twin is no longer a deck that card should not be used). I also try rely on my Surgical Extraction and perhaps a Flaying Tendrils if they over extend the board.
Please continue to update your list APPLE01DOJ and comment on mine. I will modify my deck to include some of your suggestions and provide the results as I go. Again, t hanks for you comments.
2 weeks ago
Fog definitely shines against fast aggro decks but then it only shines against fast aggro decks. You also don't really get rid of the problem if you are already behind on the board. You could go for a small board wipe such as Drown in Sorrow or Flaying Tendrils, or something with multiple modes such as Blessed Alliance?
If you have any green-based fetchlands that would help too.
1 month ago
1 month ago
Both have their advantages and disadvantages so I'd like some external insight on the matter.
Drown in Sorrow is good because it works with Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet and can create a sizable zombie hoard for you. It can also let you eat the fallen with Scavenging Ooze and potentially return something relevant that died with Liliana, the Last Hope. However, it may be the case that having creatures exiled is just better overall. Death and Taxes lists have started running Dusk / Dawn in the side and Eternal Witness can be a pain in the arse as well. If Dredge was still popular it would be an obvious choice, but I think both are viable options atm.
Which do you think is better specific to my list??
1 month ago
+1! I really like eldrazi, since there are some hidden eldrazi gems, and they are usually budget. But, as my username suggests, I think you should add Mirrorpool, since you can copy a Flaying Tendrils or Kozilek's Return, or maybe choose Kozilek, the Great Distortion, Oblivion Sower, or Sire of Stagnation.
2 months ago
Hi! I love black-based midrange lists and i have a pair of suggestions for you. I would go with a more traditional split of 6-8 removals and 6-8 discard spells. Now you have 12 removal and 4 creatures with Deathtouch, which is like a nerfed removal (it can be destroyed and must block to deal damage), so you are good against deck with a lot of creatures, but have no way to deal with noncreature spells. Let's start talking about removals. I am assuming you are on a budget because you don't run Fatal Push and Dismember. The problem is that you can't touch things like Tasigur, the Golden Fang, Gurmag Angler and big beaters like them. IMO your best bet in a mono-B build is a mix of 2-3 Doom Blade's variations like Victim of Night, Smother, Ultimate Price and Go for the Throat. Walk the Plank is also solid, but being a sorcery is a big disadvantage. A one mana removal can come in handy and if you can't afford Fatal Push, Disfigure is a good substitute. It doesn't kill Tarmogoyf or Death's Shadow, but it is a good turn one play against smaller threats and lategame becomes a combat trick. Still, i would not play more than 2 copies mainboard, with maybe 1-2 in sideboard against Elves, Spirits, Counter Company and similar. Then i would replace Grasp of Darkness with Dismember, which kills almost everything in the format, can cost just one mana and is now fairly cheap (around 2.5 $) so you should not have problem buying a pair. On a personal note, i like to play a wipe (Flaying Tendrils, Drown in Sorrow, Mutilate, Languish...) in my mainboard, just in case.
Talking about discard, i strongly suggest you to buy a playset of Inquisition of Kozilek, because it is one of the strongest discard ever printed and is cheaper than ever. With enough money, 3-4x Inquisition of Kozilek, 2-3x Thoughtseize and 1x Collective Brutality would be my go to. Sadly that is not my case, so i have to play with 4x IoK, 2x Duress and a single Wrench Mind and i can grant you that it works reasonably. A pair of Duresses in the side is also really helpful against decks with a low number of creatures. I hope this can be of some help.