Manascape Refractor

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Posted on Feb. 17, 2021, 6:50 a.m. by tonylomas

so i love the flavor of this card but i just feel like there isnt enough material to break it, am i wrong? i mean besides craddle effects

GenericToaster says... #2

Always helpful to link to the card when making a post about it

Manascape Refractor

February 17, 2021 7:39 a.m.

LordBlackblade says... #3

Second Cabal Coffers . Nuff said.

February 17, 2021 8:26 a.m.

tonylomas says... #4

besides craddle effecs ! else !!

February 17, 2021 8:37 a.m.

griffstick says... #5

It has some interesting rules text. Truth is you really dont know how good it can be. The ceiling is really high. And the bottom is not that bad either. I bought a few recently to test with. And I cant wait to see what happens.

February 17, 2021 9:02 a.m.

plakjekaas says... #6

Academy Ruins , Castle Ardenvale and the whole Eldraine cycle, Maze of Ith , The World Tree ... If you look around there's plenty of lands with cool abilities, on top of that, it counts all lands on the battlefield so if you're out of ideas, just play it to see what your opponents are using. It's more of a utility piece that also fixes your colors, than an actual combo piece you aim to win the game with. But a very fun card nonetheless.

February 17, 2021 9:03 a.m.

MagicMarc says... #7

You can copy it because it's an artifact. Which could be nice if you are duplicating lands that sacrifice for strong effects or stacking abilities.

Using this with stuff like Prototype Portal .

February 17, 2021 10:54 a.m.

griffstick says... #8

Yea I agree. If you're playing and you notice that someone always has some super strong and or expensive rare land card or land cards. Take note, because Manascape Refractor will probably fit well in all of your decks.

February 17, 2021 11:18 a.m. Edited.

griffstick says... #9

I'd run Deserted Temple to go with the plethora of cards it goes with like Cabal Coffers , Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx , and some of the reserves list lands too like Serra's Sanctum and Gaea's Cradle

Never mind. That doesnt work like that.

February 17, 2021 11:22 a.m. Edited.

1empyrean says... #10

One of the things I came up with a while back was Ashaya, Soul of the Wild , Devoted Druid , and Grim Poppet . Totally unnecessary, but hilarious.

February 17, 2021 12:10 p.m.

legendofa says... #11

If you find a way to turn it into a Griffin you could smack someone with a rock the size of the universe. (That was a fun sentence to write.) Ensoul Artifact and Arcane Adaptation ?

February 17, 2021 12:21 p.m.

legendofa says... #12

Manascape Refractor , Mutavault , Griffin Canyon . Got it. For more fun, add Creeping Tar Pit for unlockable, Lumbering Falls for hexproof, Inkmoth Nexus for infect...

February 17, 2021 12:46 p.m.

RambIe says... #13

February 17, 2021 3:05 p.m.

TriusMalarky says... #14

Floor is Manalith . Ceiling, it taps for or

February 17, 2021 4:07 p.m.

Maze's End was the first thing I thought of, though the “return maze’s end to your hand” is an odd situation. Probably stalls out the action, now that I think of it...boooooo...

February 17, 2021 5:43 p.m.

RambIe says... #16

come to think of it Storm the Vault  Flip would be decent

February 17, 2021 5:52 p.m.

Ashaya does nothing for it other than let it tap for green since it has no activated abilities.

February 17, 2021 8 p.m.

legendofa says... #18

GhostChieftain With Ashaya , since all your creatures are now lands, Manascape Refractor would have all activated abilities of your creatures.

February 17, 2021 8:46 p.m.

Ah I see. Yeah, that is good

February 18, 2021 8:44 a.m.

RambIe says... #20

Manascape Refractor + Ashaya, Soul of the Wild + Sarkhan the Masterless = gana need a judge O,o
in response im going to tap Wrenn and Six for a green......

February 18, 2021 8:58 a.m. Edited.

RambIe says... #21

o wait lets make it worse
Parcelbeast mutate on Sarkhan the Masterless then tap sarkhan for 1 and activate Manascape Refractor to Look at the top card of the library.....

February 18, 2021 9:09 a.m.

RambIe says... #22

so i guess the big question is can Manascape Refractor use activated abilities of plane walkers if the planes walker is a creature / land
and if it can use them is it restricted to 1 activation per turn since it is not a planeswalker itself......
but then if i mutate the planeswalker is it going to now permentily stay a planes walker , creature, land ?
and if it does what happens if i start cloneing it????
my head hurts now i need a nap

February 18, 2021 9:14 a.m. Edited.

griffstick says... #23

Would you have to sacrifice it because it would have zero loyalty

February 18, 2021 9:28 a.m.

1empyrean says... #24

Ramble - Yes it can use the loyalty abilities, it is still restricted to 1 per turn. If you mutate onto Sarkhan it won't be a planeswalker (it isn't after you make it a dragon anyways). Any token copies will be copies of the whole mutate pile, but won't be lands from Ashaya's ability.

I actually have an Illuna, Apex of Wishes deck built around crazy things like this.

griffstick no, non-planeswalkers don't need to worry about that.

February 18, 2021 9:58 a.m. Edited.

1empyrean says... #25

Forgot to add that any copies made of a mutated planeswalker (with the creature on top) will start with 0 loyalty counters. Starting loyalty is a planeswalker only thing.

February 18, 2021 10:13 a.m.

RambIe says... #26

February 18, 2021 11:02 a.m. Edited.

RambIe says... #27

that would need Animate Artifact in order to work

February 18, 2021 11:07 a.m.

1empyrean says... #28

Lots of lands can turn themselves into creatures, so any of those would work.

Argothian Elder and Ashaya already give you infinite untaps, so nothing is gained by adding the refractor.

February 18, 2021 11:20 a.m.

1empyrean says... #29

February 18, 2021 12:07 p.m.

RambIe says... #30

i think you would still have to skip 1 turn before you can loop that
but i like what your thinking

February 18, 2021 1:58 p.m.

1empyrean says... #31

Well, it also needs a way to untap an artifact (common effect). Kinda forgot that part. With one of them you don't even need to skip a turn.

Aphetto Alchemist , Manifold Key , Synod Artificer , Tezzeret the Seeker , Voltaic Key , Voltaic Servant , etc.

There are lots more, and there are other ways to solve the skip turn issue as well.

February 18, 2021 4:55 p.m.

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