A Heart Three Sizes Too Small
Commander / EDH*
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April 5, 2016
I reset the discussion along with taking some good advice from trinitok. I dumped the Hermit Druid combo that reanimates Laboratory Maniac with Dread Return to win by flashing back Deep Analysis. It is ultimately too risky, the cards are too well known, and it gives the deck too many dead cards and weaknesses to cards like Blood Moon. I have replaced those combo pieces with more redundancy to my Deadeye Navigator + Palinchron combo. The addition of Ghostly Flicker, Peregrine Drake, and Archaeomancer has made the deck significantly faster and more consistent. It also makes Sidisi a win condition card and increases my creature count.
Lilbrudder says... #2
trinitok Thank you for the amusing and insightful feedback. I probably need to revise my descriptions a bit. I agree that Laboratory Maniac is a somewhat flimsy wincon on its own so I probably need to take my own advice and use something like Notion Thief + Windfall beforehand to kill everyone elses hand first.
In most cases this deck will win with Craterhoof Behemoth a bunch of other creatures that include zombie tokens since this deck can build an impressive board state very quickly and Craterhoof Behemoth is really easy to get into play.
With all the tutors in the deck Buried Alive + Victimize or Living Death is pretty easy to assemble but I see your point. I originally had Tooth and Nail to assemble it but 9 mana proved to be a bit unweildy to pull off and still have counterspell protection.
With regards to the graveyard dependence I am actually pretty stingy with what goes in my graveyard until I go for the win and I generally prefer to outresource opponents and win the long game rather than combo quickly. If someone resolves a Rest in Peace or Leyline of the Void. I have a number of ways to destroy it (ex. Maelstrom Pulse and Reclamation Sage) but they are definiely problematic. I'll look into diversifying a bit. As for your other suggestions:
I would definitely run rector but unfortunately it is white :-(
I definitely see the need for more ramp but I am not sure what else to run?
Earthcraft is intriguing but unfortunately only works with basic lands.
I am using Life from the Loam instead of Crucible of Worlds due to its dredge ability but crucible is almost too good to pass up.
I am not a fan of Blasting Station but I like the idea of using an infinite combo to kill the board by milling them or through damage. Do you know of some creature based combos that would work besides Mikaeus, the Unhallowed + Triskelion ?
April 2, 2016 1:29 p.m.
Discarding your opponent's hand should not be your main objective in a competitive deck. Think of it more as a bonus though if you get it off. Besides, in most competitive sittings people will go for that t1-4 win. Even if they don't get their t4 win, they will almost certainly have some card draw. Discarding their hand though in the early game is definitely a good thing.
Yeah. 9 mana is a bit much in my opinion. Maybe you could try something else? Basalt Monolith + Rings of Brighthearth comes to mind, but I don't know if you want to be as artifact dependent. You could also find other easy ways to cheat your big baddies onto the field early like Showing your dick or pulling it out of your ass.
Bojuka Bog, Tormod's Crypt etc. are all things that will screw over your main strategy. That and counterspells, but as a blue player I know that counterspells can screw anyone and anything over so that's irrelevant.
Being blue never stopped Cheatyface from being in my friend's Ezuri, Renegade Leader deck. Just hide her behind a land. It will really surprise opponents :P
You should get some basics. I know it's not the best idea, but what if I Blood Moon? I have seen that in a lot more competitive decks. Especially mono red. If it wasn't for the fact I have so much artifact ramp in my competitive deck, I wouldn't be able to deal with Blood Moon quite as much.
Well, you could do what I do: Proteus Staff -> Blightsteel Colossus. That never gets old as a turn 1 or turn 2 play hahaha You might want to use Show and Tell though because you have way to many creatures. There is also Brine Elemental + Vesuvan Shapeshifter to lock down the field. I know the creatures are expensive, but I figure your deck has about a zillion ways to cheat them out using reanimation. Melira, Sylvok Outcast + Glen Elendra Archmage is a good way to keep out non creature cards (so essentially an infinite counter to counters). Melira is also good against infect so she would shut down a lot of decks. You could also do infinite turns with Crystal Shard + Eternal Witness + Time Warp .
Goblin Cannon is another good way to ping everyone to death with infinite mana.
I am also trying to remember a really interesting combo involving Mycosynth Lattice that lets you win in 20 turns and uses some enchantment that makes sure people can't tap lands because they are artifacts (so basically, you can't tap artifacts). I am trying to remember what it is called. The combo is really funny.
April 2, 2016 4:46 p.m.
Darksteel Reactor + Mycosynth Lattice + Null Rod . Just make sure reactor is out before hand. Then you can just sit back and let people think of how to deal with it.
April 2, 2016 4:57 p.m.
Lilbrudder says... #5
trinitok I love Show and Tell!! I think Proteus Staff could be good but I will need to test it out some.
I also like Glen Elendra Archmage. Since it gives my deck added protection against disruption. I just dont know how to fit it in.
I didn't mean to suggest that Notion Thief + Windfall was anything more than an additional control feature, although it does allow me to combo off without fear.
As for the other cards they really diverge from what this deck is about. Sidisi needs a minimum of 35 creatures cards to be consistently useful as a commander. If I went more artifact or spell heavy I might as well just make a Damia, Sage of Stone Deck since sidisi would be pretty useless. This deck uses the etb effects of creatures as spells. Any non-creature cards have to be good in all situations
April 2, 2016 6:05 p.m.
Lilbrudder says... #6
As for the basics issue. The only way Hermit Druid combo works is that I have no basics. Yes it puts me in danger of getting shut down by Blood Moon, so maybe I need to add more mana dorks (this decks equivalent of mana rocks) or abandon hermit druid combo all together. However no matter what I do there will always be cards that will ruin my deck strategy.
April 2, 2016 6:11 p.m.
I gotcha. I would still maybe consider some basics for either the squirrel combo above or to combat Blood Moon. You could try doing some untap shenanigans for infinite mana and using Wake Thrasher for infinite +1/+1 counters then just swing at people. Not the best combo in the world, but definitely a surprising one.
April 2, 2016 6:16 p.m.
Lilbrudder says... #8
trinitok Based on your suggestions I added
Show and Tell: for a way to cheat fatties into play without needing the graveyard. Using this to put Terastodon into play seems hilarious to me. "Present your best artifacts, enchantments, or lands for my destruction."
Crucible of Worlds: For Hypnotoad and so I can hit all my land drops. I was missing far too many land drops around turns 4-6 and this lets me re-use my fetches and recover from mass LD.
Nature's Claim: when playing a red mage I can keep one green mana up to kill Blood Moon the second it hits the board. I needed an instant speed answer to artifacts and enchantments anyways and while Krosan Grip is safer, in most circumstances claim will serve me better. I am not ready to move on from Hermit Druid so no basics yet.
Glen Elendra Archmage: More counterspells is never a bad thing. It also protects my combos
April 3, 2016 9:36 a.m.
Hermit Druid, meet Linvala, Keeper of Silence. Linvala, Keeper of Silence, Hermit Druid.
Totally fair not letting him go. Just let me make 2 more recommendations:
Charging Badger: This card is banned from tournaments across the globe. The only reason why we haven't been invaded by aliens yet is because the President of the United States runs this in his deck. This guy is the reason for both WW2 and WW3. John Cena makes dank memes about this guy. Seriously, he is unstoppable. He hits tables and breaks them apart. He can't be destroyed or exiled in any known way. Nothing can block him. People worship this card. Superman tried fighting this guy...24 times. Lost every time. The last 7 times he brought the Justice League with him. You can't go wrong with this monster by your side.
Storm Crow: The only reason this guy is better than badger is because he's blue.
April 3, 2016 9:51 a.m.
Lilbrudder says... #10
You are a goofball lol. Thanks for the feedback. You definitely helped make this deck better. I hope to someday play your girls
trinitok says... #1
Hello, wagnerr2. After looking at your deck a bit, I would have to suggest you find a different source of infinite mana. How often does Buried Alive + Victimize actually come up? I think there might be an easier combo, but I am curious how easy this one currently is for you.
I would almost recommend getting Crucible of Worlds for your deck. It might help with some instances like Kermit the Frog
I see you are running Diabolic Intent but not Academy Rector. I guess it makes sense because you don't depend on your enchantments to win.
Based on the price of the deck, I am assuming you want to make this as competitive as possible. To do this though, I feel like you might need a bit more ramp unless you get that opening hand wombo combo. I see you have a couple turn 1-2 open hand combos but some of your other ones might not be what you are looking for. Also, what happens if I Leyline of the Void or Rest in Peace you? All your wincons instantly fall apart. Your entire strategy falls out the window. Decks like yours are the reason I run those. I think you should consider looking at alternative ways to win, not graveyard shenanigans. The only other one you have is lab maniac, but he is to well known in my opinion so everyone will realize what you are doing and probably instant target him with a kill spell. You need something unique, unknown, surprising. Something that will ruffle your opponents' jimmies. Something like...squirrels.
Look at that lil furball. What a badass.
In all seriousness, squirrels might not be a bad way to go. It is cheap, gets you infinite 1/1 squirrel terrorists to rush your opponents, and can be used with your deck to pull off all kinds of shenanigans. The combo I am referring to is Earthcraft + Squirrel Nest. Combine it with something like Blasting Station and you can just go pew pew to your opponents.
April 2, 2016 11:37 a.m.