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Creature — Merfolk Soldier
Whenever a permanent you control becomes untapped, Wake Thrasher gets +1/+1 until end of turn.
Wake Thrasher Discussion
4 months ago
Hey, bybybball, thanks a lot for reaching out. To answer your first answer, targeted land removal is always something to consider in a commander deck. There are a bunch of very powerful lands in the format such as
Maze of Ith
Itlimoc, Cradle of the Sun
to name a few that really enable your opponent to do big and game changing things, so its important to have a way to answer it should the need arise. Regarding
, it really is kind of just an add in flavor win, but I have not successfully won with it. What it does do though is makes people target it as a threat once you get up there with the number of counters on it.
Now, Craterhoof Behemoth is widely known as a huge threat in commander,so if there are any affects that reveal it you your opponents (such as a tutor, a card that requires you to play with the top card of your library revealedor someone plays a spell that lets them look at your hand) you can bet that someone is going to try and counter it.If that happens, you should be sure to try and have some of your own interaction such as a counter. But, the deck does not solely rely on it to win, to be frank, I often win with huge merfolk that just overrun my opponents. Island walk is a very relevant static ability which means that anyone who controls an island cannot block your creature/creatures. The Cryptolith Rite + Paradox Engine combo can result in many activation's for +1/+1 counters on your fish. This also will make Wake Thrasher gigantic and can easily knock out an opponent on its own. Don't fret, I find that my decks are never really set in stone, I am constantly making tweaks to them as new cards come out. Thats the best part about commander to me. I am, however, super stoked you decided to put a deck together, I hope this helps you and I hope you enjoy the process!
4 months ago
I want to make a deck based around tap-down control. As in, Downpour and Feeling of Dread control. For years, I’ve been trying to make this idea work, ever since I first started playing, in Return to Ravnica. It started with the cards Gideon's Avenger and Sunblast Angel . I thought I could make something work, and I sort of did. I made a budget deck that achieved mild success on T/O called Frozen Solid. People liked it because it was cheap and gimmicky, but I wanted it to be more than a cheap trick, which is unfortunate, because that’s all it could have really been at the time. The deck suffers from a core weakness that other forms of control don’t have to deal with, namely that after your cheap tap-down spell has resolved, all your opponent has to do is wait another turn and build up their army even further. Sunblast angel requires a land drop every turn for six turns. The game ends up being about prolonging an inevitable loss instead of winning. Nevertheless, I tried my best to make it at least semi-competitive.
I tried every combination of U/W/X. I tried esper with its access to cards like Royal Assassin and Murderous Compulsion . A way to get rid of tapped cards is great, but why would anyone ever spend two mana on a Murderous Compulsion when they could spend it on Doom Blade , Ultimate Price , Walk the Plank , Cast Down , or half the mana on Fatal Push ? Royal assassin at least sticks around to be able to make use of a mana-free kill to complement your tap-down effects, but it dies to even the gentlest of creature removal. It dies to Lightning Bolt . It dies to Shock . Heck, it even dies to Darkblast . And aside from the assassin, there isn’t a whole lot to support tap-down control in black.
U/W/G has Glare of Subdual , which answers one problem the deck has, namely of a lack of creatures to serve as a wincon. At the same time though, you’re still tapping them down, so they can’t be used to attack with (unless you have something to untap them with, which splits your available resources even further) and if you have a big enough field presence to control the board by tapping stuff down, you could have probably won already through some Overrun kind of playstyle instead. I found merfolk a flavorful and surprisingly synergetic tribe for what I was going for here, as seen by cards like Merrow Reejerey , Merfolk Trickster , and Harbinger of the Tides . I thought that of all the ideas I’ve made thus far, this had the biggest chance of doing what I wanted, with built-in tribal support that aligned with a tap-down aesthetic. You could even finish games with a well-timed Wake Thrasher .
In R/W/U, I experimented with Aurelia's Fury . With cards like Assemble the Legion , stalling becomes a legitimate strategy. Battlefield Thaumaturge could be used to make the spell a two mana overloaded Blustersquall . Along that route, Gridlock and Glimpse the Sun God could be used to support it, but the idea is heavily reliant on thaumaturge, which doesn’t always see play, even as a 4-of.
A truly depressing match against Red Deck Wins made me realize that the deck is entirely reliant on the opponent’s having creatures. Thus, the idea to include something from the hunted cycle was born. Hunted Phantasm , for example, provides me with a good beater and plenty of things to make use of for my spells.
Every now and then, some piece of deck-tech makes me have that flutter of naïve hope, like when we got Time of Ice in Dominaria or Verity Circle in Ravnica Allegiance. Verity circle could be the answer, the missing link. It provides me with the ability to refuel my spells and dig through my deck to get to the wincon, whatever it should be. In any other kind of deck, it’s mediocre at best, but it’s the best support my jank idea has ever gotten. I could be missing something that comes clearly for you. I’m asking you to help me realize my seven-year-old dream: to create a tap-down control deck that holds its own against at least semi-competitive decks. (Decks that have a reasonably achievable means to win and efficient support to help it achieve its chosen way of winning.) I’m not asking for anything that’d make the top 8 list anywhere, just something I can be satisfied with. So long as the primary theme of the deck is controlling the field through tap-down effects, I’m happy.
Please help me out here. I’m at my wits end lol. A big thanks to any and all who put their two cents in.
1 year ago
GREAT + COOL idea
1 year ago
you have too many creatures and not enough instants/sorceries. I would consider adding more removal and removing cards like Vorel of the Hull Clade which is kind of useless in this deck you don't really use counters at all.
I would also suggest you remove Merfolk Mistbinder, Halimar Wavewatch, Deeproot Elite and Dakra Mystic. and consider replacing them with cards like Merrow Harbinger, Merrow Reejerey, Merfolk Sovereign, Lullmage Mentor or Wake Thrasher
1 year ago
Infinite Reflection doesn't go infinite with any of the indicated cards as far as I can tell (doesn't affect tokens).
1 year ago
1 year ago
Kumena is pretty nuts. Path of Discovery, Merrow Commerce, Deeproot Waters, Murkfiend Liege, Wake Thrasher, and Intruder Alarm all work together a little too well. The deck easily switches between combo and aggro strategies.
Tishana, Voice of Thunder is really nice too.
1 year ago
Hey dude :)This really look like my first version of Kumena. After several plays with my friends I realize the deck :1 - is too fast and you afraid others players so you have take the aggro too quickly and you have turn 3 or 4 everybody against you2 - is extremely vulnerable to wraths and every multiplayers deck have a whole bunch of it. Furthermore, it's extremely difficult to catch back the game after a wrath
It seems like you want to develop the +1/+1 counters theme. If you do that you should put Razorfin Abolisher because it can both save any of your creature with a +1/+1 counter on it and bounce any of ennemie creature with a counter on it. Simic Fluxmage is a great tool too for this kind of deck.Kopala, Warden of Waves was in my first version but he is in fact kinda useless in multiplayers formats where people play with wraths and where big amount of mana are involved.Inspiring Call, Heroic Intervention, Steely Resolve, Fallowsage are must have in your deck. And of course Kiora's Follower because he's one of the best combo piece of the whole game.Master of Waves and Wake Thrasher are maybe the best merfolks ever.Merrow Commerce is strong in duel but you would prefer Quest for Renewal or Intruder Alarm in multiplayer format.True-Name Nemesis is bad in multiplayer because you're telling to one guy "you can't attack me so you have to attack the others" and others are just going to blast it because of the 1 hp. Furthermore, kinda expensive.Having unblockable creatures + islandwalk is maybe too much. I kicked the islandwalk part because it takes too many cards to run it and you can't properly attack the manabase of 3 people like you will do in duel.
Keep in mind that Merfolk lords don't give +1/+1 counters to your other creatures. It's periodic and once they got killed it's over. That doesn't really fit your deck theme (except for the tribal part)
I don't think I have the best version of Kumena but I have already done several changes and I enjoy playing with it a lot, take a look :)
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