DemonDragonJ on In What Order Do these …
3 days ago
wallisface, Rhadamanthus, thank you, very much, for your answers.
wallisface on In What Order Do these …
3 days ago
Rhadamanthus great stuff! Your answer is definitely the correct one! For some reason i’d ingrained in my head that additional draws were effectively the same as treating a draw-1 as a draw-2. Very nice to have that misconception quelled :)
DragonMaster420 the OP has a very specific description/series-of-events for their “repeat the process” scenario - which my answer was different to. To say they’re both the same isn’t helpful. You’ll also see from Rhadamanthus‘s excellent answer that player-agency is part of this also, adding further nuance.
Rhadamanthus on In What Order Do these …
3 days ago
I thought about this some more, and the Nekusar player has some choice here about the exact sequence, if it matters to them. The "normal" draw for the turn is a turn-based action that happens at the beginning of the draw step without using the stack, so any triggers from that draw or from the step beginning wouldn't go onto the stack until after the first card is drawn. This means Nekusar's draw trigger and damage trigger are trying to go onto the stack at the same time, so Nekusar's controller can choose the order. If Nekusar's controller puts the draw trigger on top, then the sequence will go draw, draw, damage, mill, damage, mill. If they put the damage trigger on top instead then it will go draw, damage, mill, draw, damage, mill.
Rhadamanthus on Taigam and Alternate Casting Costs
3 days ago
A copy of a warped spell is also warped and a copy of an evoked spell is also evoked. In both cases, you will lose the copy to the additional warp/evoke effects.
The important thing to know here is a copy of a spell copies all the decisions made during the casting process, including the use of any alternative costs (CR 707.10). Part of warp's effect says "If this spell's warp cost was paid, exile the permanent this spell becomes at the beginning of the next end step" (CR 702.185), and evoke has something similar saying "When this permanent enters, if its evoke cost was paid, its controller sacrifices it" (CR 702.74). The copy of the spell will copy the fact that the alternative warp/evoke cost was applied and the permanent that enters the battlefield will be subject to the additional effects.
Rhadamanthus on a card without mana cost …
3 days ago
You won't be able to do this. Empty/nonexistent costs can't be paid. In your example the Ancestral Vision will end up with a Mayhem cost of "[null]" and an Escape cost of "[null], exile three cards from your graveyard", neither of which are payable costs.
Rhadamanthus on In What Order Do these …
3 days ago
@wallisface: Nekusar, the Mindrazer's first ability is a triggered ability. You can always tell a triggered ability by it starting with one of the words "when", "whenever" or "at". Replacement effects can be identified by their use of the words "as", "with" or "instead" (or a few other rarer constructions). Nekusar doesn't have any replacement effects. The sequence here goes draw, damage, mill, draw, damage, mill.
wallisface on In What Order Do these …
4 days ago
It’s not “repeat the process”. Nekusar‘s first ability is a replacement effect. The opponent draws two cards.
That will then put two copies of the “takes 1 damage” from Nekusar‘s second ability of the stack. As each one of those resolves, Mindcrank will add its own ability to the stack.
The whole process in order happens as so:
Draws 2 cards
Takes 1 damage
Mills 1
Takes 1 damage
Mills 1
DemonDragonJ on In What Order Do these …
4 days ago
DragonMaster420, thank you, very much, as I actually was playing a game with my Nekusar, the Mindrazer EDH deck, recently, and I encountered that exact scenario, and I was uncertain of the order in which the effects would occur, so it is nice to know exactly how they work.
DragonMaster420 on a card without mana cost …
5 days ago
a card with no mana cost however, cannot be cast with underworld breach.
DragonMaster420 on a card without mana cost …
5 days ago
granting mayhem is irrelevant to Underworld Breach. the spell would gain escape regardless. you would cast the card with escape with a reduced cost.
Gattorlord on a card without mana cost …
5 days ago
Do you mean that I can cast the card with a reducted cost? From what I am understanding, maybe it's possible to cast the 0 mana cost card with Underworld Breach, due to Green Goblin's effect to grant mayhem.
DragonMaster420 on a card without mana cost …
5 days ago
escape is an alternate cost, and cost reduction effects can be used on alternate costs. based on what i found on google, it's already an established combo.
Gattorlord on a card without mana cost …
5 days ago
If I have on the board Green Goblin and Underworld Breach, can I cast a card like Ancestral Vision from the graveyard with the alternative escape cost? My point is that if Green Goblin grants them an alternative cost with mayhem they might be considered by underworld breach as legal targets.
DragonMaster420 on In What Order Do these …
5 days ago
repeat the process. nekusaur gets 2 separate triggers that resolve independently.
DemonDragonJ on In What Order Do these …
5 days ago
If a player controls both Nekusar, the Mindrazer and a Mindcrank, what will happen on their opponent's draw step? Will the other player draw two cards, take 2 damage, and then mill two cards, or will the draw their first card, take 1 damage, mill a card, and then repeat the process?
DragonMaster420 on Taigam and Alternate Casting Costs
5 days ago
evoke is a delayed triggered ability after it hits the field, and the copy wasn't "cast". warp is not a delayed triggered ability.
Idoneity on Taigam and Alternate Casting Costs
5 days ago
I'll need you to explain to me why those are different in this case. Wouldn't it be the same outcome for both?
DragonMaster420 on Taigam and Alternate Casting Costs
5 days ago
copies of a warped spell gain the "warped" status, but the evoke trigger is not considered a copiable characteristic.
Idoneity on Taigam and Alternate Casting Costs
1 week ago
So, if I am to warp a Quantum Riddler and copy it as my second spell for turn with Taigam, Master Opportunist, would the token copy be exiled on the end step? Does the warp cost carry over to the copy?
Same thing for evoke creatures. Will it get sacrificed if it's the second spell?
Rhadamanthus on Explain Drop of Honey and …
1 week ago
Yes, that's just part of how triggered abilities work. When a triggered ability triggers and is put onto the stack, it doesn't start resolving immediately. Everyone has a chance to make a response.
More generally, any time there are spells/abilities on the stack, the one on top can only start resolving if all players decide to pass instead of taking an action in response. The timing rules for the game are about actions and reactions, not reflexes.
beebles_elbow on Explain Drop of Honey and …
1 week ago
Rhadamanthus, legendofa Okay, I was thinking that since I didn't have priority between untap/upkeep and the trigger being on the stack to be able to use Sorceress Queen's ability before Drop of Honey resolves. But what you are saying is I can activate her while the trigger is on the stack prior to the Drop of Honey resolution which would allow me to choose which creature to destroy.
Rhadamanthus on Explain Drop of Honey and …
1 week ago
legendofa is right. Because Drop of Honey/Porphyry Nodes doesn't target, you don't determine what creature to destroy until the triggered ability is actually resolving. You can make responses while the trigger is on the stack to influence which creature it will end up destroying.
legendofa on Explain Drop of Honey and …
1 week ago
I don't see why you would be unable to respond to the Drop of Honey trigger to use Sorceress Queen as intended. SQueen's ability doesn't have any timing restrictions, and Drop isn't a targeted effect, so you don't have to choose the creature to destroy until it resolves. (This second part might be where I'm wrong; if it is, could I please get an explanation?)
Quick reference, Porphyry Nodes has updated rules text that's exactly the same as Drop of Honey's.
beebles_elbow on Explain Drop of Honey and …
1 week ago
I have a resolved Drop of Honey and a Sorceress Queen that is no longer summoning sick. I know that I can't respond to the DoH trigger on the upkeep, so how then can I use SQ's ability to my advantage? Do I need to use her ability at the end of my opponent's turn? Or does this combo simply no longer work?
plakjekaas on Madame Null, Power Broker + …
1 week ago
Because Madame Null says: "whenever another creature you control enters," and the clone says it "Enters as a copy of..." the moment the Madame Null trigger is created, the clone is already the copy, and you can use the power of whatever you're cloning instead of the 0/0 printed on the card.
Last_Laugh on Madame Null, Power Broker + …
1 week ago
If a clone like Spark Double is entering and meets Madame Null's requirements, does the Clone have the power/toughness of whatever it's copying in time to get that amount of +1+1 counters rather than the 0 printed on the Clone? I'm assuming yes since it 'enters as', but just want to verify.
Rhadamanthus on The Sixth Doctor + Yuna, …
1 week ago
Only the original historic creature spell will get Yuna's counters. The copy created by the 6th Doctor is a different object from the original and will only copy the original's copiable characteristics (plus the extra part of the Doctor's effect), which don't include Yuna's bonus.
Something interesting to point out in how you posed the question: the way Yuna's ability is written, you don't have to spend her mana on a creature spell to get the bonus. The counter-adding effect is a separate delayed trigger that just triggers the next time you cast a creature spell this turn and doesn't care about how the mana was used. You could tap Yuna for , cast Brainstorm, then cast a creature from what you drew and it will get the counters.
Last_Laugh on The Sixth Doctor + Yuna, …
1 week ago
If I spend Mana via Yuna's tap ability to cast a historic creature and the 6th Dr. copies the spell... will the token copy also get Yuna's +1+1 counters?
Rhadamanthus on For Each Color Among Permanents
2 weeks ago
It counts colors and each color only counts once. In your example you will have a total of 4 colors represented among the permanents you control: White, Blue, Black and Green.
DrawnCanary on For Each Color Among Permanents
2 weeks ago
In regard to the wording of my questions title, "For Each Color Among Permanents", using Bloom Tender as an example, does that check individual permanents for each color or the total amount of colors based on all permanents I have in play.
By that I mean, if I have two creatures, a Bane, Lord of Darkness and a Betor, Ancestor's Voice, do I have 4 colors among permanents (White, Blue, Black, Green) or 6 colors among permanents (White, Blue, Black, White, Black, Green)?
Sqeeze on Does Shabraz trigger when phased …
2 weeks ago
Thank you very much for your response! Sry, would've accepted the answer but I didn't have internet for a few days.
Rhadamanthus on Irma and Beginning of Combat …
2 weeks ago
The first time, no. At the beginning of combat on that turn, Irma only has her own ability. By the time she becomes a copy of Eowyn, the point in time where Eowyn's ability would have triggered has already passed.
On the next turn, yes (if another human entered for the condition of the Eowyn ability). They both trigger at the beginning of combat and will eventually resolve unless something counters them. You don't even have to order the triggers in a particular way. Irma becoming a copy of a different creature and losing the Eowyn ability while the Eowyn trigger is still on the stack won't go back in time and remove the Eowyn trigger from the stack.
Neotrup on Hare Apparent + Mirrormind Crown …
2 weeks ago
You'll put two Hare Apparent triggers on the stack. Whichever is on top will resolve creating two tokens that are copies of Hare Apparent, which will both trigger. You'll now have three triggers on the stack, which one at a time will resolve to create 4 rabbit tokens each, for 12 total 1/1 rabbit tokens, in addition to the two Hare Apparent tokens. You'll notice that the triggers from the token Hare Apparents will resolve before one of the original triggers, so not only is that trigger not the first time, it's all the way down at the fourth time this turn tokens are being produced.
Last_Laugh on Irma and Beginning of Combat …
2 weeks ago
If Irma, Part-Time Mutant copies something like Eowyn, Shieldmaiden, can Irma's "Eowyn" trigger happen that same turn? Can it happen the next turn if I correctly stack Irma's Eowyn trigger and Irma's switch to a different creature trigger?
DrawnCanary on Hare Apparent + Mirrormind Crown …
2 weeks ago
Hypothetically, I have a Hare Apparent on board, with Mirrormind Crown attached, and let's say 2 more Hare Apparents on board as well.
If I cast Another Round or a similar multi-creature blink card on the 2 non-equipped Hares, they both come in at the same time and see each other for their triggers, but does the Mirrormind Crown apply to both or just one of the triggers?
It is technically the first time tokens would be created, but I do concede that they are individual triggers.
Rhadamanthus on Do I keep it?
2 weeks ago
Bobby654: An answer to your question has been up for a while. Since there don't seem to be any follow-ups or corrections that need to be made, I marked it as the "Accepted answer" so this topic can move out of the list of unanswered questions. In the future you can take care of this yourself using the "Mark as Answer" button on the response that you feel is the most helpful answer to your question.
I try to avoid selecting my own responses when I do this, but in this case it was the only option.
Rhadamanthus on Does Shabraz trigger when phased …
2 weeks ago
Sqeeze: An answer to your question has been up for a while. Since there don't seem to be any follow-ups or corrections that need to be made, I marked it as the "Accepted answer" so this topic can move out of the list of unanswered questions. In the future you can take care of this yourself using the "Mark as Answer" button on the response that you feel is the most helpful answer to your question.
I try to avoid selecting my own responses when I do this, but in this case it was the only option.
Rhadamanthus on Does Shabraz trigger when phased …
3 weeks ago
It sounds like you have the right ideas about how this works. Shabraz and Rielle trigger from conniving, Shabraz can't trigger from Rielle's draw and your opponents can't respond in-between conniving and phasing.
When resolving a spell/ability, you follow all the instructions in order. Any triggered abilities that trigger from events during the resolution will trigger when those events happen, but they have to wait to be put onto the stack until the spell/ability is completely finished resolving. No player has priority to take an action in the middle of a spell/ability resolving.
This means Shabraz will trigger twice from the two connives and Rielle will trigger once (since that's the limit on her trigger). The triggers have to wait to go onto the stack until Change of Plans is completely finished. If you chose to phase out both Shabraz and Rielle, then you will gain life from Shabraz' triggers but not put any +1/+1 counters on him and you will draw a card from Rielle but Shabraz won't be around to trigger from it.
Rhadamanthus on Do I keep it?
3 weeks ago
It depends. As written, if you don't do anything else, then the tokens in this example will get exiled because they aren't creature tokens. However, if you spend the mana to turn them into creatures then they'll be ok.
A copy effect copies everything written on the original object, plus the result of any copy effects that it happens to be under (e.g. a copy of a Clone of Runeclaw Bear will be another Bear, not another Clone), and that's it. No other effects being applied to the original object get copied.
In your example this means the copies of Lavaclaw Reaches created by Blade of Selves will just be regular, un-animated Reaches. If you leave them un-animated then The Master, Multiplied won't stop them from being exiled at end of combat, but if you activate the ability on any of them to turn them into creatures then The Master's ability will apply and they won't get exiled.
Bobby654 on Do I keep it?
3 weeks ago
Just had this pop up. I built The Master, Multiplied a while back but while weaving, I have in something pop up that hasn't happened yet. But if it does, I'm wondering if I have Lavaclaw Reaches out and it's effect goes off, making it a creature until end of turn. I then give it Blade of Selves. so when I go too swing and the myraid goes off what'll happen after ward when lava claw reaches return to normal, but the master let's me keep the token that was made
Sqeeze on Does Shabraz trigger when phased …
3 weeks ago
So on my board are Shabraz, the Skyshark and Rielle, the Everwise. Now I cast Change of Plans and target both of these.
My questions are: Does Shabraz trigger for both conive draws? If yes, I guess Rielle will trigger for the first discard, too? When will these trigger be resolved? After Change of Plans is completely handled? Then Shabraz will not trigger for the Rielle draw? Does the order in the text of Change of Plans matter? Like if the actions were reversed, as it's still in same action?
And can my opponent interact at any time while Change of Plans resolves? E.g. When the counters are added to Shabraz?
My understanding is: my opponent will not be able to interact with the connives during Change of Plans and Rielle and Shabraz will trigger for the connives triggers, but will only resolve after Change of Plans.
Thank you very much in advance.
Rhadamanthus on Do token copies of permanent …
1 month ago
The tokens created by Amphin Mutineer's Encore ability will be named "Amphin Mutineer".
A token will only end up with the name "[something] Token" if the effect that created it doesn't specifically give it a name, in which case the name will be the subtype of the object (Saproling, Goblin, Food etc.) plus the word "Token". Copy effects copy names, as you noted in your second example, so the Amphin Mutineer tokens will have regular names.
Yesterday on Do token copies of permanent …
1 month ago
I messed up with the clipboard, and I blame Clippy.
Yesterday on Do token copies of permanent …
1 month ago
Just realised I don't actually know this for sure.
"Create a 1/1 green Saproling creature token" -> a token named "Saproling token". Cool.
"Create a token that's a copy of target Scornful Egotist" -> a token named "Scornful Egotist". Cool.
Amphin Mutineer's encore ability -> tokens named "mphin Mutineer"? Not "mphin Mutineer token", right?