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Leovold, Emissary of Trest
Legendary Creature — Elf
Each opponent can't draw more than one card each turn.
Whenever you or a permanent you control becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, you may draw a card.
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Leovold, Emissary of Trest Discussion
4 weeks ago
As someone who doesn't get to play nearly as often as I'd like, I'm not sure there is anything worse than watching play time burn while someone durdles away on a soft-combo that doesn't win and ultimately just wastes time. If it happens once, it's one thing, but if a player continues to repeat this type of action (or inaction) with a specific deck, I'd almost certainly encourage them to leave that one at home in the future.
I've been guilty of it myself, having built a Yidris wheel/prison deck centered around cards like Leovold, Emissary of Trest, Chains of Mephistopheles, Maralen of the Mornsong and Stranglehold, and didn't realize what a fun-sucking void the deck was until the third time I played it live...game lasted more than 3 hours and I apologized profusely to my fellow lgs players and vowed to tear it down immediately, which I did.
IMO - if you're going to combo, go for a combo that kills...because no one wants to be maimed and left for dead all night. Going 0-5 is almost always more fun than going 0-1 and twiddling your thumbs the rest of the night. Making house rules that limit non-kill combos to a specific number of repeated iterations (ours is 3 times) can also be a good idea, as well as potentially even calling a clock after a certain amount of time - like in poker.
1 month ago
Look no further than Leovold, Emissary of Trest for obvious reasons...
1 month ago
Torpor Orb can also be fetched using Muddle the Mixture. And while I recently removed it (because I didn't find myself needing it), Whir of Invention would work as a great "surprise, your ETB effect isn't happening" tutor. There are a few other good artifact tutors in Blue as well.
As far as problems...that's hard to answer. This is my hands-down favorite deck right now, but I don't get to play it as often as I'd like because my playgroup can only tolerate so much mono-B shenanigans in a single evening. Some of my hate pieces (Invoke Prejudice) draw too much hate in response, but it's a pet card and when it works it's backbreaking. Buddy has a brutally effective Sigarda, Host of Herons deck that's really hard to deal with, and Prejudice just shut him down entirely, it was great. Definitely not a political card and it makes me an immediate target, so I have to be careful and sometimes it's a dead card. I've found that I almost always have an answer, or can get an answer, when I need one. The biggest challenge has been playing the political game well enough to not be focused down. I can play Archenemy for a little while, but you can only have so much interaction. And while I definitely have a ton of draw, running out of gas is absolutely crippling; Leovold, Emissary of Trest was a backbreaker before he was banned.
The deck was objectively stronger when I used the Mass Polymorph strategy. It was ridiculously consistent at delaying the game and making drakes until a mana doubler became available, followed by a Mass Polymorph into Palinchron and Tidespout Tyrant for a win. I only took it out due to playgroup feedback. The additional challenge, though, has surprisingly made the deck more fun for me to play as well.
2 months ago
So here is some hopefully useful data about my experience (25 or so games) with the updated list:
Notion Thief + Winds of Change/any other wheel effect: has been decent but fragile and I rarely ever want to tutor for one of these. Winds of Change in particular has been incredibly bad when I did not have the Notion Thief or if it was not cast post Ad Nauseam to mix up my hand. This is to be expected but I am still not sold on this card. For now, I will continue testing it to see if my opinion changes.
I still think this combo needs some more redundancy in case Notion Thief gets hit by removal or is taken by a Praetor's Grasp effect. If only Leovold, Emissary of Trest wasn't banned. The removal spell problem happens a lot considering this deck does not run a lot of relevant creatures to remove so I have noticed a lot of the time the rest of the table ends up "stockpiling" on creature removal. I can usually Force of Will my way through one or even two, but when there are 4+ removal spells that have been dead against our deck the whole game finally being useful again, it is hard to get this combo to work.
Tormod's Crypt: even with a bunch of graveyard decks floating around my meta, I have been incredibly disappointed by this. Although it is good as a free untap after a Paradox Engine, I would almost always prefer another source of acceleration or at least a card that cycles upon use. Relic of Progenitus is bad because it hits our own graveyard so I recommend Nihil Spellbomb. I feel the 1 extra mana is entirely justified because it can replace itself when it is not needed or to keep you up on resources if it is needed.
Llanowar Elves: I understand why turn 1 acceleration is important, but this card has been terrible for me in testing. Green mana is almost always irrelevant so it might as well just make colorless and mana dorks are mediocre on Paradox Engine lines because they are far more vulnerable to removal and cannot be used the turn I play them. If this was a more dedicated mana dork deck that could abuse Gaea's Cradle, I would like it far more, but I am not a fan. I would at least consider Candelabra of Tawnos as a potential replacement due to how good it is on Paradox Engine lines to just filter away the abyss of colorless mana we make into actually relevant mana. Candelabra of Tawnos can also help you fight through Back to Basics effects which are incredibly good against this deck (and have picked up in popularity since all of the 4 color flash+hulk decks took over).
Dark Petition: I finally actually had some good experience with this card and I do believe it is better than Fabricate. Although the 5cmc hurts on Ad Nauseam lines, the explosiveness of this card on Necropotence/Yawgmoth's Will lines is very good. Not a fan of it for Notion Thief/Wheel of Fortune lines considering the BBB is not particularly relevant but it is at least reasonable.
2 months ago
2 months ago
Not so much a faerie, but perhaps consider a card like Leovold, Emissary of Trest as a 1 or 2 of to punish your opponents for targeting your stuff and trying to draw cards. Otherwise I'm a big fan of this list, mainly because I ran faeries in Modern when Bitterblossom got unbanned, but also because I love 4c lists.
2 months ago
I see quite a few updates to the list since I was here last and quite frankly, I do not understand them.
Llanowar Elves seems out of place in a 4 color deck primarily splashing R and G. Even at 2 mana, I feel that Bloom Tender would be better at least 90% of the time due to the fact it can actually make more relevant colors. I understand the Notion Thief, but I strongly feel that cutting Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip is a mistake. Also, what purpose does Winds of Change serve without Notion Thief in play? If Leovold, Emissary of Trest wasn't banned and you wanted to build the list more around resource denial to give you more time to set up, I could see it, but I just don't get it. Also, Dark Petition was abhorrent in testing for me. The most comon way that I lose with the deck is by hitting poorly off of an Ad Nauseam, resulting in me drawing too few cards from it and not having enough resources to win. Every single time I ever hit Dark Petition of of an Ad Nauseam or just had it in hand while trying to win, it was an entirely dead card, or directly caused me to lose.
I could definitely be wrong about the changes, and it is possible I have just had bad experiences with some of these cards and are therefore judging them unjustly, but without an explanation, these changes do not feel like the appropriate direction for the deck to evolve.
3 months ago
Are you playing him in his own deck or in the Birthing Pod 99?
I think he is broken when there are sac outlets, and I certainly hope he does not get banned. At the same time he needs a specific engine of creatures to be present to break the format, unlike Prophet of Kruphix (which enables resources) and Leovold, Emissary of Trest (which hinders draw steps and cantrips you for every target). There probably is a broken combo out there to abuse him, but he seems combo specific to me, so Id say there's sometime until we see him get banned.