[Community Discussion]: Modern Chat
Modern forum
Posted on April 25, 2015, 8:42 p.m. by Epochalyptik
This thread is dedicated entirely to Modern. Feel free to post your thoughts on the meta, ideas for your next decklist, and just chat generally about the format!
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grumbledore says... #2
its always kinda funny to me to read all of the complaining after a set of bans. granted, i have jund and tron so i don't get hit very often (i built jund post drs.. that would have hurt), but the whole point of the game is to adapt and innovate. if you lose something, find something new. change is good.
January 11, 2017 4:56 p.m. Edited.
Ohthenoises says... #3
The same could be said when a new deck pops up that everyone complains about.
Adapt and sideboard don't make make those new decks conform to the current meta.
But that's what is happening all the time lately.
January 11, 2017 5:21 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #4
Speaking of decks popping up does anyone feel like Cheerios is a better storm deck than traditional storm with the addition of Sram? Hinging on 4 puresteel paladin made the deck fragile and prone to removal fizzling the combo.
Sram acts as another 4 puresteels and I've been doing testing and rarely, if ever, don't have a Paladin/Sram in my opener.
Thoughts? God Sram It!
January 11, 2017 7:20 p.m.
SwaggyMcSwagglepants says... #5
I'm pretty sure Cheerios can see competitive play now. With the mentor plan as backup, they have a lot of good ways to storm off. I just want a way to generate plenty of mana for Paradoxical Outcome, although that card might be overkill.
January 11, 2017 9:11 p.m.
grumbledore says... #6
hate to be that guy... but holy crap. it would be so satisfying to play chalice for 0 against that haha. looks like a lot of fun to pilot though.
January 11, 2017 9:32 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #7
SwaggyMcSwagglepants Play Vintage. That's a deck. Moxes + Outcome. In this version it's simply too expensive during the combo turn unfortunately. Retract works with Mox Opal to make it free but you can only generate excess mana equal to the numbers of Mox Opal you draw during the combo.
scrotality Ugh I know.... Not really sure how to combat that in the game 2, especially if I win the game 1.
I've been considering the Sigarda's Aid + Goblin Gaveleer package for sideboard to help in that regard but eh. Who knows.
January 11, 2017 10:10 p.m. Edited.
EpicFreddi says... #8
It's funny that you built such a list, Ohthenoises, because I did nearly the same. :D 0-Drop-Storm in Modern!
January 12, 2017 3:19 a.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #9
If you have Sram the Chalice doesn't stop anything except Retract, that's kinda nice. You can still look for your Mentor and try to kill with that.
January 12, 2017 7:18 a.m. Edited.
Ohthenoises says... #10
EpicFreddi you do realize Sram will draw you exactly 0 cards in that list right?
"Equipment"
January 12, 2017 9:08 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #11
Also, that is nice GA. It stinks you can't storm out but hey.
Natural State seems like a good include for the SB.
January 12, 2017 9:16 a.m.
EpicFreddi says... #12
I did realize that. Just now. Missed it before. Damn it.
January 12, 2017 9:20 a.m.
Well this forum has been dead recently. Anyway, put together a sultai delver list for modern post git probe/grave troll bans. Thoughts?
Modern Sultai Delver Jan17
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January 22, 2017 5:39 p.m.
SwaggyMcSwagglepants says... #14
I think I would have built sultai delver much differently
January 22, 2017 6:06 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #15
I would either play Dark Confidants or go for delve creatures to play nice with your Thought Scours. Gnarlwood Dryad is crappy.
January 22, 2017 6:15 p.m.
SwaggyMcSwagglepants says... #16
In delver lists hand removal is bad because you don't have a ton of time to cast them early. Counter spells are better because if they don't cast a spell then you can Thought Scour into something. Spell Snares are much better than Inquisitions.
Liliana is too cute. I get that its supposed to fill the Kolaghans Command slot, but it's not doing anything close to what a Kommand can do. I'd play another copy of Brutality and another counterspell or maybe Mishras Bauble if you want to stay delirium. However, I agree with agent. All the delirium stuff is garbage. Tasigur gets work done like no Flayer can.
January 22, 2017 6:28 p.m.
I was trying to emulate the mongooses from rug delver with the dryads. I haven't really been following modern super closely these days, but have the dryads actually been extensively tested? Not really sure why they're being called horrible. And yea, Tasigur is great, but I wanted to try out the delerium guys. Will probably end up sticking 2-3 copies of him back in, but I honestly don't remember anyone ever actually testing the delerium guys extensively on this forum, so I don't really get why you're just throwing them under the bus.
I had originally had LotV in the Last Hope's spot, but Last Hope rebuys threats and is excellent against infect, affinity, and lingering souls decks, which are popular at my LGS.
And Spell Snares were also originally in the list, but I didn't love them. I don't care about countering permanents that cost cmc2 aside from like chalice, and there is not a lot of cmc2 removal that needs countering either. And any permanent that could have been taken care of by Snare is taken care of by Decay.
January 22, 2017 7:32 p.m. Edited.
mymanpotsandpans says... #18
I think you're just missing some one of cards like Mishra's Bauble Seal of Fire and Tarfire. I know two of those cards are in red but if you can find something playable along those lines in your colors I think you will have something. That will help get delirium turned on faster and get to those 5/6 plus goyfs more often, that can fight Reality Smasher and Primeval Titan. I'm not sure about the delvers though, delver without bolt just seems off. (To me at least)
Monkey grow/RUG runs 1-2 Curiosity and 1 Simic Charm. They may make decent one of cards
January 23, 2017 12:52 a.m.
buildingadeck says... #21
I think Nameless Inversion is okay as a one-of to help with Delirium, but Collective Brutality is just a little better.
January 23, 2017 11:37 a.m.
SwaggyMcSwagglepants says... #22
I mean, Collective Brutality in delver is just Baby Black Cryptic
January 23, 2017 3 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #23
I was testing Nameless Inversion in a delirium side focused 8 rack deck using Whispers of Emrakul didn't really pan out but it DID enable delirium very nicely.
January 23, 2017 4:22 p.m. Edited.
SwaggyMcSwagglepants says... #24
@Ohthenoises were you ever disappointed to be holding Inversion in your grip, or was it just plain good?
January 23, 2017 9:21 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #25
It's not the best feeling to be holding Draconic Roar, but if you need to kill creatures it's a fine option. Bad in the same matchups Terminate is.
January 23, 2017 9:25 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #26
SwaggyMcSwagglepants It was almost always "kill target thing" but nothing ever really sits in your hand in 8 rack
January 23, 2017 10:02 p.m.
EpicFreddi says... #27
fml. traded fatal pushes on prerelease day for 3Euro a piece thinking "tons of these will be opened, i can make a profit". Jokes on me, they're now 4,5Euro. Damnit Donald.
January 24, 2017 9 a.m.
GeminiSpartanX says... #28
Don't worry EpicFreddi, the price will decrease in a few months once people get their playsets. It's already (slowly) trending down on tcgplayer. It was at a solid $5 and now it's selling between $4.50-$5. I picked up a set at $4 each and will likely get a 2nd set once it drops below $3 in a few months.
January 24, 2017 9:15 a.m.
JaceArveduin says... #29
Wait, who were you talking to? I think I'm the only one that comments here that actually plays Roar in modern.
January 24, 2017 4:42 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #30
Playing Spatial Contortion is a lot like playing Draconic Roar, that's all. Just without dragons.
January 24, 2017 5:25 p.m.
JaceArveduin says... #31
Oooo, I was confused, but I'm going to have to disagree. They both kill 3 toughness creatures, but the reach Roar gives is actually a pretty big plus.
January 24, 2017 6 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #32
Ryan Overturf wrote about it here. He has one in his list, which I think is fine. Definitely would be playing more if he wasn't still including all four Terminates.
FWIW I like his maindeck -2 Terminate -2 Spell Snare -1 Remand +1 Fatal Push +4 flex slots that might be the cards he included but could be other things.
January 25, 2017 9:58 p.m. Edited.
Ohthenoises says... #33
This kinda lines up with my thoughts before. Push > Snap > Push is much easier to pay for than Terminate > Snap > Terminate.
Less color intensive and less mana needed.
This is especially true if Push kills 80% of the format's creatures. Why pay an additional R when there's a kill spell that takes care of almost everything you would ever want to remove that costs less?
January 25, 2017 10:12 p.m.
TheAlexGnan one of the things that makes grixis delver grixis delver imo is the fact that your opponent is often dead when they're at 6 life. That's why there are still bolts.
January 26, 2017 12:31 a.m.
January 26, 2017 3:19 p.m.
TheAlexGnan my apologies. I should have read that closer.
January 28, 2017 12:25 p.m.
bijschjdbcd says... #37
Has anyone had any success with Cheerios?
If so, lists?
January 30, 2017 4:40 a.m.
GeminiSpartanX says... #38
bijschjdbcd- As soon as I can borrow Opals from my one friend that has them, I'll have weekly LGS event results for you. I have been playtesting it with proxies for the Opals and have had some pretty good success with it so far against most decks. Here's my list currently:
The Honey Nuts
Modern
SCORE: 5 | 12 COMMENTS | 192 VIEWS | IN 3 FOLDERS
January 30, 2017 6:27 a.m.
bijschjdbcd says... #39
Different to the list I have opted for. But still interested in your results.
January 30, 2017 7:28 a.m.
EpicFreddi says... #40
So far i very much like the list. It usually goes nuts by turn 3-4. hehe.
January 30, 2017 7:36 a.m.
Ohthenoises says... #41
I did a few tests last night against classic Jund and got them pretty good.
January 30, 2017 9:14 a.m.
GeminiSpartanX says... #42
Ohthenoises- Did the Jund list you played against run Fatal Push? Jund seems like it would be a tougher matchup than most due to all its removal.
bijschjdbcd- Do you have a link to the list you're running?
January 30, 2017 9:38 a.m. Edited.
Ohthenoises says... #43
It was tough and Push WAS involved but having 8 paladins now meant that I had one for the removal and one for the combo.
Also, silence + Paladin is GG for Jund.
January 30, 2017 9:47 a.m.
GeminiSpartanX says... #44
Ohthenoises- I played a few games against Mardu control and Jund would likely be similar. Between the black discard and removal I had a hard time sticking any threats. I can see now why some lists are opting to run Sigarda's Aid in the side, as you can insta-equip some toughness against decks that run burn as removal.
January 30, 2017 9:53 a.m.
SilverIronMan says... #46
Anyone want to try something new? Renegade Rallier made landfall viable and it's super fun.
February 2, 2017 2:47 p.m.
mymanpotsandpans says... #47
Does anyone else think that its a bit off and or awesome that modern has Ancient Stirrings? Quick note, I'm not trying to start anything with whether it should be banned or other cards should be un-banned. Also that opening question is pretty bold, but the card excites yet confuses me. I also understand that is a niche card for decks with a heavy dependence on colorless cards and doesn't serve a strong role in combo oriented decks.
But within those colorless focused decks it is like a Serum Visions or Preordain on steroids. Being able to dig five deep for almost any card in your deck is absurd. In a format where wizards shuns blue cards with similar purpose Ancient Stirrings just laughs. Serum Visions and Sleight of Hand can do things such as set up for a Delver of Secrets Flip or get your combo going. Though where Ancient Stirrings lacks fines it makes up for in digging power. Just like how people say goyf is the best "blue" creature, stirrings is arguably the best "blue" cantrip at this point in modern. I'm not sure if that is cool or sad.
Questions you may be wondering right about now.
Do you think this supposed green uber visions is oppressive and modern will go under because of it? No.
Is this old news? Yes, Rise of the Eldrazi was seven years ago but the card is still awesome.
Are there dozens of more impressive cards you could have talked about, like Fatal Push? Yes.
Are the GNIS server's down for maintenance and you can't do your geography project instead of talking about magic? Yes.
February 4, 2017 6:46 p.m.
grumbledore says... #48
i think it's one of those cards that was always good but got a lot better when when new mechanics were introduced. like devoid. but yea it's a great card.
February 4, 2017 6:59 p.m.
SwaggyMcSwagglepants says... #49
If anybody plays Grixis Delver here with Liliana, the Last Hope, can u tell me how good she is/when she's good? I'm split on whether to include a copy in my sideboard or not run it. Seems nice against a lot of the creature decks and has some late game relevance, but it's not recurrable and can be pretty irrelevant in some matchups
February 4, 2017 8:17 p.m.
SwaggyMcSwagglepants says... #50
If anybody plays Grixis Delver here with Liliana, the Last Hope, can u tell me how good she is/when she's good? I'm split on whether to include a copy in my sideboard or not run it. Seems nice against a lot of the creature decks and has some late game relevance, but it's not recurrable and can be pretty irrelevant in some matchups
sylvannos says... #1
Banning something out of Zooicide makes sense. It can get ridiculously fast kills, especially if you have a way to get to 12 life (or lower) on turn one.
But Gitaxian Probe? Ehhhhhhhhhh....I'm biased, but I feel they hit too many decks. Delver, Infect, and Storm lose a lot. I'm pretty sure Storm is just dead as an archetype in terms of winning via Past in Flames + Grapeshot. I'm still going to play it, but man is the deck running low on 1-mana cantrips as is.
I think Become Immense may have been more reasonable. Infect was a solid deck before it was printed, and Zooicide could still exist without it. It's one of those cards where I've seen it win too many games because its controller could cast it by turn 3.
Mutagenic Growth would be another consideration because of how many turn 2 kills result from the "Oops? I guess I win because I opened Monastery Swiftspear and multiple Mutagenic Growths!" I'm not sure, however, what decks would survive if it were banned.
I don't feel like a Golgari Grave-Troll ban will do much. I think the real culprit is Prized Amalgam because it's doing what Ichorid does.
January 11, 2017 4:20 p.m.