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| Arena | Legal |
| Block Constructed | Legal |
| Canadian Highlander | Legal |
| Casual | Legal |
| Commander / EDH | Legal |
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| Vanguard | Legal |
| Vintage | Legal |
Whispers of Emrakul
Sorcery
Target opponent discards a card at random.
Delirium - If there are four or more card types among cards in your graveyard that opponent discards two cards at random instead.
Chasmolinker on
Pioneer 8 Rack
2 years ago
Thanks Memphismaymagic5! I like Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet as a 1/3 split with Desecration Demon. I'm not sold on Go Blank. If it was 2 mana then absolutely. I think Whispers of Emrakul might be a better choice over Go Blank. At 3 MV I'd want a bigger pay-off.
MindAblaze on Collected Conjouring, CoCo's weird cousin
3 years ago
I know this is out of left field given the discussion but what are your guys’ thoughts on Whispers of Emrakul?
Tarlfgar on
5 years ago
Darth_Savage I think Reforge the Soul would be an amazing addition here. I overlooked it because I only looked for cards with lower mana costs, I didn't even consider there can be a Miracle card that's suitable for my deck, thanks!
A very early version of this deck did feature cards like Whispers of Emrakul and Wrench Mind, but in the end these discards were not potent enough- Dark Deal or Reforge the Soul that you mentioned can cause a 7-card discard, and even Burning Inquiry is a 3-card discard for one mana.
After all, my intent is not to lock my opponent out of cards, but to make them discard a lot (and thus get creatures, cards and mana from Waste Not). Gnat Miser is a no-go for the same reason.
Sign in Blood might be a good addition here, it's very versatile. Seizan, Perverter of Truth would be even better, but it's a very costly creature- by the fifth turn an FNM game is usually over.
Do you maybe have any card suggestions for surviving before the combo gets activated? I haven't played against any control-heavy deck with it yet, even in playtests, so I'm not really sure what pieces could help. Thanks for your input!
Darth_Savage on
5 years ago
Some thoughts...
Reforge the Soul, would give you another Wheel of Fate effect.
Sign in Blood, says target player, you can use it on yourself or your opponent, or have it on a stick Seizan, Perverter of Truth.
Barbed Shocker, Incendiary Command and Chandra Ablaze, don't cause a draw of 7, but do discard hand and draw the same number of cards, or 3 anyway.
Gnat Miser, reduces a players max hand size, Kederekt Parasite hurts them when they draw, as long as you have a red creature, enchantment, planeswalker or artifact.
Liliana's Caress, deals damage based on discard, Runeflare Trap does it based on draw.
Tasigur's Cruelty, has delve and discards 2 cards, though Wrench Mind exists and with a little work Whispers of Emrakul.
This is just off the top of my head (to be fair I have a deck which plays in this space Grixis Owl-ing Mine) so there are probably more... Hope this inspires you, good luck brewing your deck.
Darth_Savage on
Devils party
5 years ago
Hymn to Tourach is not Modern legal, Whispers of Emrakul is probably the closest you get, but you would need to modify your deck a bit to make it work...
Darth_Savage on
5 years ago
As a stop gap for Liliana of the Veil, you could try Necrogen Mists. I'd also suggest Mire's Toll or Blackmail, rather than Thoughtseize as the life loss will hurt, and Bojuka Bog, as there are a lot of graveyard based decks in modern. You could also test Vicious Rumors, which is new to the field.
I'd suggest Whispers of Emrakul and Creeping Chill if you were running Dakmor Salvage, but in your present setup you aren't, note that this pairs well with Raven's Crime. As an alternative win condition Nyxathid might be worth considering...
xyr0s on
Mono 2-for-1s
5 years ago
Abbot of Keral Keep is at most a 2-of in a deck with so many relatively expensive spells as this one (you'd rarely want to play it turn 3 in the hope of hitting a 1-mana spell, right?). 2 more Thoughtseize would be pretty good, though.
Implement of Malice... I suspect that it is too expensive in mana, but it trades for a card from opponents hand, replenishes itself, and if you could find a little bit more artifact, it could enable delirium, so you could play Whispers of Emrakul instead of Wrench Mind.
Noxious Gearhulk also fits the description: You get a decently sized creature, kills another creature, and gets a bunch of life. Only problem is the cost (at 6 mana it's probably over the top of the curve). Actaully, if your curve went that high, you could add the titans too.
ExpletoryOrb on
what am i doing
5 years ago
alright so here goes, so the cards to the left can be swapped with the ones to the right, it has the same or very similair effect but for a reduced mana cost etc.
Bloodtallow Candle -> Dismember
Whispers of Emrakul -> Hymn to Tourach
Painful Lesson -> Night's Whisper (there is also: Sign in Blood
Lethal Sting -> Victim of Night (there is also Go for the Throat)
Dutiful Return -> Ghoulcaller's Chant ? (its cheaper and will almost always be for a zombie? a lot cheeper but its your call.)
Abyssal Specter -> Hypnotic Specter
the next ones are cards i think you should strip, i will list them and then explain why:
Ruin Rat : you already have a few of these, and this isnt even a zombie. there are just better cards out there that arent expensive at all, (i'll give some suggestions further down the post)
Shambling Attendants : Just strictly bad, you dont want to play a 3/5 dude for 8 mana ever.
Cruel Feeding : its just pretty bad, the strive cost is very expensive just to +1/0 lifelink. dont use this unless you had something specific in mind that i didnt catch up on reading the list.
Duress and Divest : these never really do much, yes you get to pick away 1 card and see 1 hand but you will almost never hit anything especially good, only run this if you are planning to do a lot of 1v1 EDH.
Here are some suggestions of cards that are very cheap and are pretty good: