What to replace hinder and spell crumple?

Commander (EDH) forum

Posted on March 24, 2015, 1:24 p.m. by magic_monicle

With the no tuck rule now implemented, what should I replace these two counter spells with? Brings a tear to my eye to have to replace these counter spells but they just don't bring value now that they give the opponent a choice (which will 99.99% always be back in the command zone)

I was thinking Dissolve and maybe Mystic Genesis ? It's for a prime speaker edh deck.

shaistyone says... #2

I'll comment on your deck in a minute. :)

March 24, 2015 1:30 p.m.

magic_monicle says... #3

Sounds good :-) I haven't updated my deck in awhile and some changes have been made. But overall it is the same. Green blue good stuff

March 24, 2015 1:38 p.m.

Hjaltrohir says... #4

I think that your two suggestions are probably the most viable. An argument could be made for Dissipate as well.

March 24, 2015 1:43 p.m.

magic_monicle says... #5

Yeah I thought about that. The exile effect is very enticing and relevant in edh.

March 24, 2015 1:45 p.m.

asasinater13 says... #6

I like Dissipate a lot and will alway support running it.

March 24, 2015 2:06 p.m.

Indigoindigo says... #7

Are you only running them for dealing with commanders? There are no other cards you encounter ever that you'd not want in the graveyard?

March 24, 2015 2:18 p.m.

asasinater13 says... #8

Dissipate is just better at keeping noncommmander things away from a graveyard. Spell Crumple might be worth running with enough tutors or shuffle effects to make it able to be drawn into more than once, though it wouldn't work against strategies with excess tutors.

March 24, 2015 2:21 p.m.

shaistyone says... #9

I once Spell Crumple'd a Gravecrawler. One of the best decisions ever... :)

March 24, 2015 2:25 p.m.

vishnarg says... #10

I was actually just about to ask this... fuck this new rule. I guess I'll try Dispel now, and maybe Darksteel Mutation is a more legitimate card now. I already run a ton of other counterspells so there's not many left to choose from. Disdainful Stroke didn't really impress me but it may be all I have left to try.

March 24, 2015 2:53 p.m.

asasinater13 says... #11

Disdainful Stroke is very good. it stops most of the things you want to stop in commander, kind of weak if you're trying to stop spot removal and doesn't do well against many other counterspells, but it does stop threats.

also they are still very valid card choices, they just don't permanently stop commanders.

March 24, 2015 2:55 p.m.

HeroInMyOwnMind says... #12

Gather Specimens. Desertion?

March 24, 2015 5:45 p.m.

suneater says... #13

Dissipate belongs in every deck that can run blue. It is really important to stop ETB triggers and infinite combos that are reanimatable. Other than that, at a reasonable price there are:

...and on the pricer side you have:

A lot of these are my favorites (and favorites of my playgroup) but I will give credit where it is due: http://www.metamox.com/guide-counters.php

March 24, 2015 7:14 p.m.

IQuarent says... #14

Forbid is really, really good, so I recommend that one. With draw X mechanics it's nasty.

Dissipate is also great, and I agree with the consensus on that one.

Why has no one mentioned Rewind?

Honestly though, Spell Crumple and Hinder are just good enough to make the cut on their own right, even if they don't effect commanders anymore...

March 25, 2015 5:24 a.m.

magic_monicle says... #15

I think Forbid is def going to be one of them. And probably Dissipate.

Thanks guys so much for the help, awesome suggestions :-)

March 25, 2015 11:10 a.m.

Hjaltrohir says... #16

suneater never play any 4-mana counterspell unless it does something really good. Dismiss? Yes. Essence Backlash? No.

March 25, 2015 3:34 p.m.

asasinater13 says... #17

I run Mystic Genesis in U/G, I ramp enough that I can afford higher-price counterspells for benefit. same with Plasm Capture, but I would say that does something really good.

March 25, 2015 4:36 p.m.

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