The bracers don't work on Heroes' Bane because it is a mana ability. The corpsejack part works though. A Kalonian Hydra and Polukranos, World Eater or 2 would help in terms of even more counter synergy

GRUULFTW the bracers would work since a mana ability is an ability that creates mana. I was thinking of taking them out anyways, since they are a bit slow. And I really want a Kalonian Hydra , but I'm low on money atm after getting those Primordial Hydra . I want to figure out how to speed this deck up, to make it more competitive.

First, the deck is going to be far more consistent if you go with three and four each of the most important cards instead of so many singles. You definitely want to grab two more Primordial Hydra . Getting faster is going to come down to mana ramp. You can go super cheap for now with Llanowar Elves and add Sylvan Caryatid when you can throw dow $25 for a playtest. Gyre Sage can also do well in a deck like this.

It's actually in the MTG rules that if you run a +1/+1 counter deck, you have to use Sage of Hours and Kalonian Hydra .

i'm the one who helped a ton with "comically huge hydras", basically i think the rings are irrelevant, you don't need white mana, and I don't think you need any kind of walls or that spider.. you don't really need to be spending your mana on both, creating a defense, and making huge hydras.. because this deck focuses on huge creatures, cards like essence harvest, Rite of Consumption , and Dying Wish are what should be keeping you alive.. they allow you to turn your hydras into not only your offence, but your defense too.. cards like Alpha Authority and Canopy Cover are what should be keeping your hydras alive.. with such massive life gain you should have no problem taking small hits, and most decks that run huge creatures will give you time to build up.. I forget what it's called, sorry, but there is some card that allows you to draw cards equal to the greatest power among creatures you control..

Predator's Rapport is an obvious choice

Garruk, Primal Hunter s -3 ability allows you to draw cards for your largest creature.

Soul's Majesty ... also there's Momentous Fall but i prefer soul's majesty just for the artwork

Of course, with all those draw effects, you have to be careful because if your hydra is too big you will deck yourself.

@KSULongneck and Incognietis thank you guys so much for the suggestions! I added a deck rework update, and I think I'll go for Dying Wish . Since I have Essence Harvest , I wont be adding Rite of Consumption , since its the same thing for only one extra mana, without sacrificing the creature. That way If someone pulls out a Hold at Bay or anything similar, I wont have killed a hydra for nothing. I like Canopy Cover , but it has almost the same effect as Gift of Orzhova , just with hexproof instead of lifelink. I prefer the lifelink to hexproof personally, especially for only one more mana. I'm not really a big fan of massive draw, especially since in the case of fast games, I don't want to have to pick between that or a hydra for the same cmc early game. I don't like using Garruk, Primal Hunter for that either, though he is a nice card. I'm unsure about Alpha Authority . It could be good with trample, but I would prefer other cards to that. I already had Predator's Rapport in the sideboard. I was thinking about adding Fungal Sprouting , is that a good idea?

@greensheepman7 That is a really cool combo, but I don't want to splash blue just for him, plus I recently sold him :/

Thank you all so much!

Oh and really like Momentous Fall but I don't know if i would use it well...

Fungal Sprouting Is an excellent idea. I run it and Essence Harvest in my hydra deck Comically Huge Hydras {HELP} It just gives you one more way to use a gigantic creature if your opponent is keeping it tapped or has Pacifism or Arrest or other similar effects stopping it from attacking. I combine my Fungal Sprouting with Overrun to create a complete alternate victory condition. You should check out my deck for some ideas. Although, Incognietis and I have basically shared them all here anyway. At least check me out and give a +1.

I suggest putting in a Predator Ooze it can come up with a ton of counters and the indestructible factor is great as well. You should probably get rid of the Fungal Sprouting since your goal seems to make your creatures as big as possible not to make as many tokens as possible.

It comes down to personal preference. I think 2 card slots for Fungal Sprouting is quite reasonable and allows you to adapt to that situation where all your eggs are in one basket and your opponent destroys that basket. Also, its not entirely off theme because it uses the huge creature for incredible value.

Still, i think white is pretty irrelevant... you can replace the white cards with green or black cards with similar effects... It seems that including a third mana to cast just a couple cards just makes a deck less reliable.. also you already have tons of lifelink with the black... I've always found fungal sprouting to be a whole lot of fun in decks like these, but very situational... the situations when it would be relevant are generally situations in which you already won the game, it's more of a card for token decks, but it's also a ton of fun if you play it so it's all up to you obviously..

nevermind about the white mana, i was being slow... but still, in a deck that relies on creatures staying out for numerous turns hexproof > lifelink... you're not going to win the game by gaining life, you need to build up and swing... also Scourge of Skola Vale is great when a hydra is targeted by removal...

Thanks for all the suggestions guys! And Incognietis I played a really rough game with a blue bounce and control deck, and hexproof is way more appealing now, so Canopy Cover will probably replace Gift of Orzhova . And I never see a chance to play Fungal Sprouting so I don't know if ill keep it in. and ugh, too many cards again. any suggestions on what to swap?

I say drop the rings, treasured find, and 1 forest to get down to 60

I was going to replace the rings with Asceticism ... that's tough.ill try out the other ones as soon as I get home. do my additions look good?

Its shaping up very nicely. I still think the Aquastrand Spider could go. Also, without a way to move counters around like Bioshift , Gyre Sage wont get big enough fast enough to matter. You'd be better off with more Sylvan Caryatid or Elvish Mystic as your mana ramp.

Hey, sdefender asked me to swing by and take a look at your deck. This is a post so when I get on my computer later I can take a better look. :p

Ok so my sideboard is pretty ok at the moment, but I really want to add hand destruction and more overall removal into this deck somewhere. That's why I wanted Extirpate , Memoricide , and Duress . I'm not sure what to take out though for those, and whether should should be main or sideboard. anyone have any suggestions? Also, should my sideboard change depending on the current meta that my deck usually plays in?

The simple answer is yes, your sideboard should change depending on your local meta. Dismember is a modern staple that fits well in this deck. But if you want to get into hand disruption then I would recommend either Thoughtseize or Inquisition of Kozilek over anything else depending on your budget and what you already have. I personally would drop Gyre Sage and add Karametra's Acolyte with your devotion ability. Also, Kruphix, God of Horizons would be good here to save mana you accumulate from turn to turn. These two cards in conjunction with Hydra Broodmaster is insane. I have, on numerous occasions, been the unfortunate opponent to 50 50/50 hydra tokens... unless you have Ratchet Bomb or a mass removal... that is game over. Haha. Nice deck though. I really like Corpsejack Menace in hydra decks.

One more thing, Arbor Elf would be better than Elvish Mystic because it works on Overgrown Tomb as well as basics. That is one you get some Tombs in this deck. Haha.

Scytec thanks for all the suggestions! I was considering Arbor Elf so i could pull a Arbor Elf + Utopia Sprawl combo, but I only have 7 forests, and plan to acquire only one more Overgrown Tomb . I prefer to trade for my lands since they are not cheap, and I don't want to spend 10$ on a land. If I did, I would load up on Cavern of Souls . so with an end total of 9 forests, I'm not sure if it would be worth it. Kruphix, God of Horizons is sweet, but i dont have the land base or ramp to get that blue mana, and I would like to stick with the theme. due to the nature of this midrange deck, my devotion isn't really high anyways, just high enough to make Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx worth it, so i wont go for Karametra's Acolyte , and its a bit slow for my liking. Dismember is tricky, I like the ability, but I feel like -5/-5 wont cover my bases as much as straight removal. Hydra Broodmaster is really cool, I'll think about him. I currently slotted in Duress since the other 2 hand destruction options are out of my budget range. I might swap that with my newly acquired Eternal Thirst . Predator Ooze gets more and more appealing, so ill think about that one as well. What do you feel about Summoner's Pact ?