Vengeful Ancestor
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Alchemy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Freeform Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Historic Brawl Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Planar Constructed Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Vengeful Ancestor

Creature — Dragon Spirit

Flying

Whenever this enters or attacks, goad target creature. (Until your next turn, that creature attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.)

Whenever a goaded creature attacks, it deals 1 damage to its controller.

Crow_Umbra on Nightmare Blunt Rotation

5 months ago

No prob! I will preface that most of my experience with Goad primarily comes from the Mardu slice of the options available. In case you want to look at a more comprehensive list of the various Goad options in all colors.

From my own personal experience, I'd recommend the following:

  • Bothersome Quasit - Fairly low to the ground & not color intensive for your deck. Also helps open up aggro lanes for additional chaos.

  • The Sound of Drums - I'd recommend something like this or Ghoulish Impetus, which can both be replayed, while the other Impetus cards are kinda one & done once the creature they're on dies.

  • Disrupt Decorum - A pretty classic & budget option.

  • Nelly Borca, Impulsive Accuserfoil - She can Suspect/Goad creatures repeatedly as long as she sticks around. Her draw ability also incentivizes and rewards your opponents to smack each other, which can play into that chaotic feeling.

  • Vengeful Ancestor - Another repeatable Goad option

  • Karazikar, the Eye Tyrantfoil - Opens up aggro lanes and also forcibly rewards/incentivizes your opponents to attack each other.

  • Taunt from the Rampart

They're all pretty fun options to try out. If you ever want to build a straight up Goad deck, I highly recommend giving Nelly Borca a try, she's a lot of fun.

Crow_Umbra on Queen Marchesa Monarch EDH (needs help)

7 months ago

Hey there, I saw your deck title and wanted to offer some general suggestions after taking a quick look over your deck. Since it seems like you don't have a particular budget, I'm going to offer some different options with that in mind. Have you had a chance to play this deck irl, and are there aspects of it that felt most fun, or inconsistent to you? Some general suggestions:

  • I'm seeing about 5 cards that have everyone vote, and 2 that give you additional votes. This seems like a really small subtheme that I think you could cut all 7 cards if you aren't super tied to them.

  • In regards to your early game ramp, I think you could swap out your Orzhov/Boros/Rakdos Signets or 3-mana rocks for stuff like Talisman of Hierarchy and the others in Mardu colors.

  • If you end up replacing the Voting cards, I'd highly recommend adding some Goad to your deck, especially since Mardu has a lot of awesome Goad support. It's hard for your opponents to become Monarch if they can only hit each other.

I figured I'd list out the recommendations here since there's a decent chunk of stuff that you could swap in. I've played with all of these cards at some point in decks I currently own, or used to play:

Creatures

Non-Creature spells

I'd recommend checking out EDHRec Mardu Goad page to see some common picks for decks with this theme. I think this could be a helpful resource for potential swaps that are still on theme with what Marchesa wants to do.

Veghelia on Combat Superiority

8 months ago

Crow_Umbra, thank you for your feedback and suggestions!

If you're interested in sparring a bit, I've looked into your feedback and I have some thoughts. If any of this brings up other ideas or you have other suggestions, I’d love to hear it.

Regarding using more goad and embracing "being the villain":

I'm very much still experimenting with being as "supportive" with this deck as I can be, since that is really the desire I have that got me to make this deck. I derive enjoyment from seeing the table enjoy what I do and playing with me, and not forcing them to play along is an important part of that. I've made another deck (Death or Mogis) that a lot of my friends love to play against or play themselves, and I'm trying to do a similar thing here, but more combat-focused. I’ll leave the idea of embracing "being the villain" open, but I first want to figure out if I can make the "I'm your best friend in a game without allies" approach work before I fully switch (or more honestly, probably retire the deck).

Regarding Boros Battleshaper and Endbringer:

Yeah, you're right. I've noticed in goldfishing already that they don't feel good enough. Boros Battleshaper just feels like a cool idea that could work but doesn't, and Endbringer really is a remnant of the older version of this deck where I was more going for a mafia-style “broker” vibe, capable of “solving problems” on other people’s turns. Sadly, that’s a couple of steps removed from what the deck is now. I want them to be cool, but you’re right in that they really don't work in the deck.

Regarding your suggestions:

  • Xantcha, Sleeper Agentfoil creates a bit of a weird situation. I have to give it to someone, making me the bad guy in their eyes, and then they do get to benefit from my attack triggers (forcibly), but they are also the victim of the "drain and draw" ability. I think it's a bit too much of a mixed bag emotionally, and although it is not a bad card, I'll probably leave it out of the maybeboard, at least for a while or until I switch to embracing villainhood.
  • Slicer, Hired Muscle  Flip is just not my jam aesthetically. I can appreciate some Universes Beyond stuff, but this is a no-go for me. I also think he might be too good and closing out the game himself, drawing too much ire as a result.
  • Assault Suit has been on my list for a long time, and I've only really removed it from this deck's maybeboard because I'm thinking of trying it in a different, more equipment focused deck. I might re-add it later though.
  • Ghostly Prison feels spot on. I hadn't considered it yet, and it feels like it would slot in reaaaaal good.
  • Emberwilde Captain goes back on the maybeboard. It also gives a reason to attack me, and that's anti-syngery, but it could also be good recurring draw + punishment for trying to take it from me, and the deck is likely good enough at taking the crown back if necessary.
  • Kardur, Doomscourge also goes back on the maybeboard. By far the best way to force my opponents to fight each other and have them break parity rather than have to try doing it myself :P. I had removed it together with some other goad cards, but he could be one of the few that still make the deck.
  • Vengeful Ancestor has my doubts, mostly because its effect doesn't really excite me. I'm leaving it out for now, but I'll look down here if I ever can't find other good options.
  • Brutal Hordechief is probably also a great suggestion. As I mentioned, I want Boros Battleshaper to work, but I've already noticed that it doesn't really, and I'm currently more fighting with the copium than leaving it in for good reasons. This would probably be the replacement. Both having some drain to add to the combat damage pressure is nice, and I could also force blocks on somebody else's turn, which is pretty cool.
  • Enduring Courage is a great option. I've mostly not included it yet because it feels a bit off aesthetically, but it might just be the best option. The deck can use more haste enablers, and I’ve really just not found the one that feels the best yet.
  • Hellrider probably doesn't make the cut, since the deck doesn't go-wide enough IMO, and the tokens I put in during combat don't trigger this effect, where I can buff them to hit harder.

Again, thanks for the feedback and the suggestions!

Crow_Umbra on Combat Superiority

8 months ago

I don't see combat control variants of Isshin as often as I do other variants, so kudos to you for taking a less conventional build path. My main play group plays with Goad pretty frequently, and Aggro in general, and I understand your concerns about "being the villain" for playing a lot of it. In all honesty, I think it's something that you should lean into if you're going to do it. Being the "table villain" can be fun.

I haven't read through all of your change logs, so my bad if I missed them as past edits, but have you considered any of the following:

  • If you want a couple more "donation" creatures to support your Alexios, both Xantcha, Sleeper Agentfoil and Slicer, Hired Muscle  Flip could be worth checking out. Assault Suit is also in line with this theme and what you're going for.

  • It might be worth it to throw in a Ghostly Prison to further deter attacks at you. Emberwilde Captain is another deterrent that triggers with Isshin.

  • Depending on the success you have had with them, it could be worth considering swapping out Boros Battleshaper and Endbringer for creatures in the 3-4 cmc range that can produce more tokens for your own defensive/aggro purposes. Kardur, Doomscourge and Vengeful Ancestor could be additional Goad pieces worth including as potential swaps if you don't go the token support route.

  • Looking at stuff already in your Maybeboard, I think Brutal Hordechief or Enduring Courage could be worthy inclusions. Hordechief and similar group slug/drain effects, like Hellrider can help send damage straight to faces, especially since Isshin gives them an additional trigger. Takes some of the pressure off your reliance on combat damage for a deck like this.

Best of luck with the deck. I think a bit more Goad could help spice your deck up, especially if other players don't really want to "buy into" the support that you're offering them. Sometimes you have to pivot from suggesting they fight each other to actively forcing them to do so lol.

Crow_Umbra on Snake squad

9 months ago

Yo, I saw your post on the front page asking about suggestions for edits. All in all, I think your creature base is pretty cohesive. I have plenty of Goad decks in my main play group, and run one myself (Nelly Borca, Impulsive Accuserfoil). Some suggestions I have:

  • I think that stuff like Kederekt Parasite and Razorkin Needlehead could be great ways to break parity on the draw that Karazikar will be giving your opponents.

  • Vengeful Ancestor could be another means of repeatedly Goading creatures, especially if Karazikar isn't online yet.

  • If Goad decks don't get focused, they end up playing into a 2nd or 3rd place position, unless you have a means off keeping heat and pivoting. This is especially true if it gets into a 1:1 situation.

  • I think that No Mercy could also be another means of keeping heat off of you. Karazikar reads that you and drawing opponents lose life, which is different from dealing damage. I know this is a pricier option, but could make non-Goaded attackers reconsider heading at you.

  • Last general suggestion would be to maybe switch a few of your Auras with a bit more instant speed interaction. This can definitely be tuned into your budget and meta. A little more creature removal to manage non-Goaded threats could be helpful.

Crow_Umbra on Zinnia fun

1 year ago

I started brewing Zinnia recently. I brewed Satya, Aetherflux Genius as just Value ETBs, & Energy is just a secondary support to keep around certain value creatures. Long-winded way of saying that the Zinnia deck I started brewing is basically just the Satya deck without the Energy support & a few other cards swapped out.

I think Zinnia wants lower curve creatures with value ETBs, so paying the Offspring cost feels fairly reliable. You could def do stuff like:

You can def get tech-y with your ETBs & tailor them to your meta. You can also add in a sprinkle of ETB blink effects to keep reusing your ETBs, like Felidar Guardian

Last_Laugh on The GOAT of GOAD

1 year ago

Phyrexian Reclamation would be a great way to repeatably get Kardur back and avoid commander tax.

Try Plumb the Forbidden in Read the Bones slot. Just sac'ing Kardur nets you the same 2 cards but the ceiling is much higher and it's a sort of anti boardwipe tech that keeps your grip full afterwards.

Pain Magnification can be triggered by you or your opponents (just not against you). This card could be bonkers here. I think of it as a "curse all opponents" effect.

Emberwilde Captain is good card draw here, deters attacks when you can't goad, and the monarchy is easy to hold if you goad consistently.

Karazikar, the Eye Tyrant is admittedly a bit group huggy, but it is an excellent source of card draw that goads.

Bothersome Quasit will turn the chaos up to 11 if you can consistently goad.

Vengeful Ancestor is another fun card in goad decks. It's especially punishing against go-wide strategies.

Anyways, I hope that helps. I ran Marisi for goad personally but am familiar with the archtype. The deck looks good.

Last_Laugh on Marisi's Goad Club

2 years ago

Bothersome Quasit and Bedlam allow you to goad unimpeded. Bedlam is a bit ballsy and has the potential to backfire but the quasit is worth its weight in gold here.

Vengeful Ancestor is a stud here.

Beloved Chaplain, Soltari Foot Soldier, Soltari Champion, Soltari Visionary, Spirit en-Dal, Spirit Mantle, and Champion of Lambholt will ensure you get through in combat to goad someone.

Authority of the Consuls in addition to Urabrask makes it so every hastey boy isn't sent your way and makes it impossible for your opponents to play fresh ungoaded blockers.

I've also had really good results out of 'deals combat damage to an opponent' effects due to a lack of blockers once a goad chain gets going. Stuff like Aerial Extortionist, Ancient Gold Dragon, and Scepter of Celebration.

A pet card of mine that's hilariously effective here is Kusari-Gama. It'll get your big boys through or wipe their board. Equip it to Soltari Guerrillas to ensure no one can block ANY of your creatures without immediate retaliation.

Anyways, feel free to check out my list for ideas. Upvotes on any of my decks are appreciated. Marisi the Pimp - (Combat) Trickin' Hoes

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