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Ancient Gold Dragon
Creature — Elder Dragon
Whenever Ancient Gold Dragon deals combat damage to a player, roll a twenty sided die. You create a number of 1/1 blue Faerie Dragon creature tokens with flying equal to the result. (Remember that MTG spindowns are not well weight balanced, so please roll a die that isn't an MTG spindown.)
3 weeks ago
Hi everyone! At long last I've updated the list with some of the ancient dragons that I think will work best in the deck list.
The second is actually Ancient Gold Dragon. Kudos to AJohnney101 for pointing this out! It's not just good with Dragon Tempest. It's also good for our other cards that care about the number of dragons attacking, such as Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury who can easily kill a table with enough dragons on board, or to a lesser extend Dromoka, the Eternal. It can also wipe any board with Silumgar, the Drifting Death or add some 6/6s to the 1/1s with Utvara Hellkite. There's just a lot of combos and lines of play here that are really good. We'll cut Kairi, the Swirling Sky for it which isn't super great and certainly nowhere near as great as this.
Ancient Brass Dragon intrigued me initially, but at best it's a second copy of Teneb, the Harvester that doesn't take mana to activate, but which will whiff sometimes. Having a second copy of Teneb is considerable, but the risk of whiffing is as well, so I'm still on the fence.
Ancient Copper Dragon is also amazing and I wouldn't critique anyone adding that, but I think I'm good at the moment with Old Gnawbone and Savage Ventmaw for rampy dragons and am not at the present time investing a slot or money in it.
I also think AJohnney101's suggestion of Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm is intriguing. I can definitely see the value in making copies of not just Miirym but other dragons we want to reanimate, and there would be a lot of fun to be had with mass reanimation on this one. The ward is also not nothing, as this could also be played to nullify removal at Scion if someone holds up one for Path to Exile of can't otherwise pay to overcome the ward. I'll definitely keep this in mind!
Thanks for all the fabulous suggestions! My replies are mostly in the update list above. I also agree that late game we can usually run this deck just fine without Scion. He's a great tool to get us going, but we have lots of tricks to close out the game and a great toolbox.
I don't have Fellwar Stone because I am in green and don't really need many mana rocks. Rampant Growth and its many clones do most of my work here. I've only included Chromatic Lantern because of the incredible utility it provides to my mana base. I can see the case for Faithless Looting or as AJohnney101 suggested Amass the Components and the like. That being said, I in dislike in general one-off effects in a deck like this which often just aren't as useful as a piece that could give me repeat value, but that might be just me!
Thanks for the compliment! For the BG dragons see the update above
As usual, thanks for all of your valuable contributions to the deck and primer. They appreciated!
1 month ago
Unfortunately, no, but I wish it would! Once Scion of the Ur-Dragon becomes a copy of Ancient Gold Dragon, it loses its original activated ability, becoming an exact copy of AGD. Although Scion's ability can be activated in response to an activation (i.e. the Moltensteel Dragon + Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon combo), once Scion becomes a copy of a Dragon, that ability is lost until the next turn. That would be a sweet combo though!
1 month ago
I dont know if this combo works:
- Attack with Scion of the Ur-Dragon
- Activate his ability and search for Ancient Gold Dragon
- Deal combat damage and trigger Ancient Gold Dragon ability.
- In response, activate Scion of the Ur-Dragon and search for Scourge of Valkas
- Let the Ancient Gold Dragon ability resolve and trigger Scourge of Valkas.
- Deal damage for each of the dragons created with Ancient Gold Dragon ability.
Does that work or i am tripping balls?
6 months ago
I've been able to play with some key additions from Baldur's gate and as we all thought the Ancient Dragon cycle are all amazing. I'd say Ancient Bronze Dragon is the weakest leading me to cut it (which more goes to show how powerful the other options are). When I first saw Ancient Gold Dragon I was not impressed but wowza. You get a hit with that and have either Dragon Tempest or Scourge of Valkas out and that's a game ender. Lastly also I did not anticipate adding Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm to my list but happened to get it in a draft. It's a bomb. You can transform Scion into Miirym, then immediately reanimate Miirym to get a token copy of it that isn't legendary. The original goes back to the graveyard, but that's where you want them for when you hit your graveyard with a mass reanimate spell. What I've found is my deck is now far less reliant on Scion in the late game. He comes out gives me a ton of value then usually my board state is so strong I don't care when my opponents eventually kill him.
6 months ago
I have played around with Sneak Attack it’s a very cool card and can help but I ended up removing it for Monster Manual. I’m trying to let my dragons stick around so this is more on theme with the list. It might make it back in sometime but I’m not sure when.
Im currently not running cards like Dragonborn Looter and Scaled Nurturer as I’d rather be able to play big dragons. And they have anti synergy with cards like The Prismatic Bridge Flip, Monster Manual and most of my etb draw triggers. In a different build I would play these cards but not in this one, they are definitely good cards tho. Im also not running any mana dorks for this reason.
I have also toyed around with Lozhan, Dragons' Legacy but her ability is sadly a cast trigger and I’m trying to cheat cards in play without casting them. Instead I ended up playing Purphoros, God of the Forge as he triggers on etb’s which has great synergy with all my token makers especially Ancient Gold Dragon as rolling a nat 20 can kill the entire table. It does less damage in some cases but it’s more consistent and it helps that its a god that can be found with The World Tree
For now I’m still playing Manaform Hellkite as the tokens she creates have haste and if my commander is out they generate extra card draw. Or she creates extra etb effects to Ping people to death with my ping bois. She is probably the next one to go tho.
As for the dragon count, I’m trying to keep it at a minimum of 30 dragons which is where I’m at right now. Which might sound a bit low but there are plenty of dragons that create dragon tokens. Right now I have Ancient Gold Dragon which creates on average 11 dragons per combat or over 20 if she has double strike. Dragon Broodmother, Lathliss, Dragon Queen, Manaform Hellkite, Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm and Utvara Hellkite. And ofcourse my reanimation stuff. I’m currently testing a few more dragons that might bumb me up to 31/32 but they have to be better than cards that are already in here which can be quite hard. But Dragonlord Atarka might be coming back soon as he has great synergy with the D20 dragons
The biggest problem is the 100 card limit as I also need to play some more protection spells. Heroic Intervention and Teferi's Protection as my playgroup is playing more board wipes. Counterspells can also be the way to go but I rather not play those as a personal preference
7 months ago
Thank you for your great feedback! It's always appreciated. I did consider Eerie Ultimatum when it was previewed during Ikoria spoiler season. I eventually decided to leave it out of the 99 due to its tricky mana cost in a 5-color deck and, more persuasively, the fact that a suite of mass recursion spells already existed in the deck, like Living Death, Patriarch's Bidding and Rise of the Dark Realms. These spells, of course, return creatures to the battlefield, which Eerie Ultimatum does as well. However, with just 12 other non-land, non-creature permanents in the current 99 of this build, Eerie Ultimatum did not seem valuable enough to squeeze into the deck, and that is considering the potential mana ramp of recurring multiple fetch lands to the battlefield as well (no landfall triggers).
Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm's inclusion into this deck is inevitable. The moment a copy of her becomes available she will become a part of this deck and make it so much stronger. The same can be said for Ancient Copper Dragon, Ancient Silver Dragon and Ancient Gold Dragon. Moltensteel Dragon's presence in this deck is to combo with Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon or Dragon Tyrant for the purposes of one-shotting an opponent, usually a control player or blue mage at the table. Panharmonicon is an interesting card to consider. By my count, in the current 99 of this build, there are four Dragons (Bladewing the Risen, Lathliss, Dragon Queen, Scourge of Valkas, Terror of the Peaks), three enchantments (Garruk's Uprising, Dragon Tempest, Temur Ascendancy) and one artifact (Dragon's Hoard) that could benefit from the inclusion of Panharmonicon. That is a total of eight cards from the 99 (8.08%). That does not seem like a high enough percentage of cards to reconcile adding Panharmonicon to the deck. Yarok, the Desecrated would not approve.
Thank you for your comments and your recommendations! I appreciate them and am looking forward to upgrading this deck with several new cards from Commander Legends: Battle for Baldur's Gate!
7 months ago
Hello again! I am back with another suggestion which I think will make the cut this time! I just unboxed a booster pack and got an Ancient Gold Dragon and think it works great with Ellyn Harbreeze, Busybody