You may return an Island you control to its owner's hand rather than pay Tidal Bore's mana cost.
You may tap or untap target creature.
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|Mercadian Masques (MMQ)||Common|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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Tidal Bore Discussion
2 weeks ago
1) Its a dead card outside of the combo. So when you draw it while searching for combo pieces or a counterspell, its a big feelsbad moment as it doesnt do anything.
2) It requires you to have a creature on the battlefield already able to attack, so you had to play a creature last turn and it had to survive all the opponents turns. But the deck doesnt really have creatures, just a few, and on top of that the deck usually just wins on the spot. It makes like one big set up turn to find stuff, then untaps at like turn6 with absolutely nothing on the board (except for lands ofc^^) and just goes High Tide, Tatyova, Sanctuary, counterspell, counterspell, Flicker, win all in one turn.
So the Gear was definitely a very bad wincon, so I switched to Compulsive Research. Its not a dead card outside of the combo because it draws me cards, it lets me win on the turn that I comboed off, I dont have to set it up a turn. Its just better.
But I still had to run Displace, because the entire deck had no way to combo if Ghostly Flicker gets somehow removed. And people are definitely ready for that. They activate Faerie Macabre or cast Cremate while the Ghostly Flicker is in my graveyard with a Mystic Sanctuary trigger targetting it. And if they manage to remove the Flicker, my entire deck has no way to make infinite mana/draws anymore. So I had to run Displace as a worse alternative.
But then I found out about Tidal Bore which brought another combo line to the table, took a lot of pressure away from Ghostly Flicker and made my landdroppers like Sakura-Tribe Scout combo pieces. That basically allowed me to get rid of Displace. I added Whispers of the Muse in that iteration as the Tidal Bore combo only makes infinite mana (and infinite life) but doesnt draw infinite cards. The Ghostly Flicker combo never had that problem because after generating infinite mana you could always Flicker Sanctuary+Island to draw an extra card. But the Tidal Bore combo doesnt have that implemented. So Whispers of the Muse became really handy. As a side note: I onced Tidal Bore comboed and had infinite mana but no card to draw my library. But I had a Scrivener in play and a Blink of an Eye in hand. So I kicker-blinked my Scrivener, drew a card, recast Scrivener to get back Blink and repeated that to draw my library.
Thats basically the main engines and the correct way of actually winning is to draw your library until you find everything you need (and not more^^ People might make you draw a card on instant speed), bounce all their permanents (inlcuding lands) with either Capsize or Boomerang loop (Ghostly Flicker on Archaeomancer + Sanctuary gives you back Boomerang) and then make them draw their whole libraries with the Compulsive Research loop and enough of counterspells in hand because they might float all their mana and fight together over your Compulsive Research while you made them draw so many cards.
And if they managed to exile the Compulsive Research beforehand, you can still just Capsize their entire boards, and hit them a few rounds with Tatyova and a few creatures for lethal (commander) damage. Thanks to commander damage that even works in the case where someone has managed to get infinite life at some point before. But thats just niche cases Im thinking about, that nobody should really think about.
2 weeks ago
shardstar- I think I can answer that question for Crash. I have a version of Tatyova as well but with more of a control focus rather than pure combo. But both decks win in the same way. Pretty much the goal is to creat infinite mana in one of two ways. The infamous drake combo which you surly know and then the lesser know Tidal Bore combo. The Tidal Bore combo needs the following: Tatyova, Benthic Druid, Mystic Sanctuary, Walking Atlas(or any creature with the same effect) and ofc Tidal Bore. Once infinite mana has been generated you want to draw your deck. There are many different options to do this but the end goal is the same. Draw into another Archaeomancer like creature or Mystic Sanctuary assuming you don't already have two. Next up is Ghostly Flicker if you don't already have it. Compulsive Research is the actually win-con here. With Ghostly Flicker and 2x Archaeomancer and infinite mana you are able to make everyone draw their decks and win!
I am not crash and therefor can not tell you exactly why they took out Displace but I assume it was to make space for something else. And taking it out was possible due to there being a second combo with Tidal Bore.
Adventuring Gear, while a valid and more of a fair way of winning it would only kill one opponent per turn, giving the other 2 at the table plenty of time to find a way to deal with your combo or just kill you instead.
Sorry Crash if I stole your thunder :)
1 month ago
Hi, I also have a competitive Tatyova list and I was just wondering how this deck wins. Sure you get the infinite combo but then do nothing with the infinite mana (the only thing you could do is Capsize everyone else's board but that is not winning). You are also missing probably the best land you could play: Mystic Sanctuary. In my opinion, you also do not need any of the mana dorks because you are already playing 38 lands and plenty and I mean PLENTY of land tutors you really don't need all of the dorks.
For the infinite combo pay off there are a few different ways you could go. The safest way is to mill all of your opponents by infinitely looping Compulsive Research or Deep Analysis which early also doubly as good cantrips.
Then there is the more casual friendly way by making and infinitely large Ivy Elemental or something similar then slap a Rancor or Aqueous Form on it and kill one player at a time. An alternative way of doing this is with Adventuring Gear on Tatyova (or any other creature) and then with infinite mana flicker, a land and an Archaeomancer to get infinite landfall triggers. Then with evasion, you can nock others out.
On last thing. Tidal Bore + Mystic Sanctuary + Sakura-Tribe Scout + Tatyova, Benthic Druid = Infinite blue mana + infinite life + infinite land fall triggers (as a side note you do need three other islands for mystic to work)
1 month ago
Always happy to see more tatyova players!
If you look in the description, you'll see a link to a very strong tatyova control list. It still has combos and is still very fast, but it prioritizes control over the board and grinding value over super sonic speed into a combo.
I've never seen the card Tidal Bore and my mind was blown. That card definitely has potential to be insane in tatyova and I'm definitely gonna give it a test drive. Thank you for showing me the card!
1 month ago
Hi, great to see a cEDH primer. I am active in the PDH (Pauper EDH: General has to be an uncommon creature, the 99 have to be commons) community and Tatyova is there one of the most dangerous threats, understandably. I just wanted to share my Tatyova PDH Combo list as it has become so strong, that regular EDH tables dont wanna see it anymore and my local cEDH people are basically the only ones that accept her^^ But it cant quite compete on that level of course. But its surprisingly close.
It has 2 main combos:
2) Tatyova + Mystic Sanctuary + Sakura-Tribe Scout / Skyshroud Ranger / Llanowar Scout / Walking Atlas + Tidal Bore which needs something like + Whispers of the Muse / Ghostly Flicker to take advantage of the infinite mana. And it finishes via Compulsive Research loops.
I was interested in cEDH Tatyova and was about to have a look on builds for her there. Glad to see your approach here and such a well made primer.
Greetings from another Tatyova fan!
6 months ago
Blazing Shoal, Cave-In, Crash, Downhill Charge, Fireblast, Fury of the Horde Mogg Salvage, Pact of the Titan, Abolish, Intervention Pact, Patrician's Scorn, Reverent Mantra Shining Shoal, Sivvi's Ruse, Sivvi's Valor, Sunscour Commandeer Daze, Disrupting Shoal Gush Mindbreak Trap, Misdirection, Pact of Negation, Snapback, Submerge, Tidal Bore, Veil of Secrecy
10 months ago
(Disclaimer: My first post, so let me know if I need to make edits.)
Could anyone provide some feedback on my two decks? I’m getting back into this after 15 years. Yay. For now this is just for casual play. I don’t mind spending a few dollars, just not many dollars. Thanks for stopping by and for any and all help!
11 months ago
This is super cool!! You might consider trying these: Seeker of Skybreak , Freed from the Real , Galvanic Alchemist , Cerulean Wisps , Mobilize , Refocus , Emerald Charm , Tidal Bore , Return to Nature (upgraded naturalize), Deep Analysis , Think Twice