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Renegade Tactics Discussion
1 month ago
Thanks for all the suggestions Apollo, no offense taken at all, I'm glad to get feedback.
Truthfully this deck had all but one of your suggested cards in it at one point or another during the crafting phase, and they're all very effective. The thing I was going for though with this deck was a more early-game focused blitz style of deck as opposed to a more balanced and long-haul strategy. Mostly focusing on getting Colossus Hammer onto the cheaper goblins ASAP to try to finish by turn 3/4.
I felt that the Puresteel Paladin wasn't really pulling it's weight until around turn 4 or 5 when the metalcraft really comes online, with the more simple and straightforward approach only needing 1-2 artifacts in play to inflict lethal in the early stages. Thus I felt like he was slowing things down, despite being very powerful. Same story for Sram, Senior Edificer.
The aim here is to go full agro early and less to play into a more safe Boros playstyle. Honestly this deck would be mono-red if it didn't rely so much on Steelshaper's Gift for tutoring the Colossus Hammer early. I get that the deck maybe isn't optimized, and your version would be more consistent, but I've always been a Johnny at heart.
Infiltration Lens may be worth consideration though, since you're definitely right about card-draw being a massive plus in leu of the bigger mana-base that I have currently. So that may help to even speed the deck up more than the Bonesplitters do. The aim with them was to hopefully create a health enough assault team while I wait for the right cards to initiate the desired Hammer combo, but drawing cards would likely expedite this, so I wouldn't have to worry about just dealing some damage in the meantime while I wait for something better.
The problem I had with Kor Duelist was that he frequently lacked trample and could easily be blocked by fodder early, while the Cathar's Shield didn't play well into the full-offensive aesthetic (but maybe I should focus less on what doesn't feel right and more on what works). Something else I had in the vein of 0-drop equipments was Bone Saw, but also felt it lacked punch or any utility without the metalcraft of card draw from Puresteel Paladin and Sram, Senior Edificer.
I'll definitely play around with re-tuning the mana-base and adding in the Infiltration Lenses though, since that would help with speeding things up, as I mentioned.
Another thought I had was something like Faithless Looting, Crash Through or Renegade Tactics in order to get a little bit of card-draw going, while also neutralising blockers. I'll look more into those perhaps.
Adding in 4X Ancient Den and 4X Great Furnace would also make it more likely to trigger Puresteel Paladin's metalcraft as an easy way to equip Colossus Hammer, and opens the deck up to something like Galvanic Blast or Dispatch for some early utility spells that would also have their metalcraft triggered. That was what I was considering for the more-well-rounded and more white-oriented version of the deck, though as I said before; what I'm really trying to do is maximize efficiency and speed rather than play the long-game.
I appreciate the help, really, and I'll look into how I can make the deck better with your suggestions. Thank you.
6 months ago
Interesting topic Ramble, I've been meaning to respond for the last day or two but have just been super busy, but let me provide a mana base formula I stumbled on a few years back after noticing a pattern in my deck building - might be something to try out and see if you find similar results, as I find it's very rare to get either flooded or mana screwed using this formula. I'll provide a couple of examples as well - more for the casual-competitive decks, as my cEDH decks don't always follow the formula as rigorously.
The basic formula for mana-producing lands is: Starting base of 30 mana-producing lands, plus additional lands equal to the CMC of your commander, plus additional lands equal to the average CMC of the deck, minus designated values for each mana rock, mana dork, mana spell and draw spell equal to or less than the CMC of the commander.
The first example is for my Zada, Hedron Grinder deck: Yada...Yada...Zada. In this case, the formula is 30 + 4CMC (commander) + 2.28 average CMC, or 36.28. I then subtract designated values for the following cards in the deck: -1.0 for Mana Crypt, -0.5 for Sol Ring (or any other 0 or 1 CMC rock), -0.25 for Thought Vessel (or any other 2 or 3 CMC rock), Battle Hymn, Brightstone Ritual, Traitorous Greed and Dockside Extortionist, and finally -0.10 for each of the draw spells in the deck: Accelerate, Boiling Blood, Crimson Wisps, Expedite, Fists of Flame, Stun and Renegade Tactics for a total reduction of 3.45 and a final value of 32.83 (rounded up to 33).
The second example includes a more aggressive reduction in mana-producing lands based on my Elf tribal Marwyn, the Nurturer deck: Elves Tap and Slap (Marwyn Tribal Counters). The formula here is 30 + 3CMC (commander) + 2.64 average CMC, or 35.64. I then subtract for the following cards: -0.50 for Sol Ring, -0.25 for Elvish Archdruid, Elvish Mystic, Fyndhorn Elves, Gyre Sage, Incubation Druid, Llanowar Elves, Llanowar Visionary, Priest of Titania, Rishkar, Peema Renegade, Selvala, Heart of the Wilds, Viridian Joiner, Wood Elves, Cultivate, Kodama's Reach, Nissa's Pilgrimage, Rhonas's Monument, Gaea's Touch and Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip. Finally, I subtract -0.10 for Elvish Visionary, Llanowar Visionary and Inspiring Call for a total reduction of 5.30 and a final value of 30.34 (rounded down to 30).
Although the reduction values could be considered a little arbitrary in certain deck concepts, this formula has held pretty accurate since I started keeping track of it. I hope you find this useful in the future, and happy brewing.
8 months ago
Bounty of Might seems weak, since to copy it, you're paying 6 to give one creature +9
Also a ton of mass-damage, mass-bounce, mass-protection, mass-indestructible you could look at. Ex: Snap is a pseudo boardwipe that generates a ton of mana
9 months ago
Someday will replace Renegade Tactics with a similar instant that gives me draw. But not this day. Not this day.
11 months ago
How has Game Trail been working for you? I don't think you are running enough mountains/forests to make it quite good enough as a 4-of. 12 seems like too few. Maybe cutting down to 2 and adding more basics would make smoother draws. You don't need access to very much Red mana anyways.
I would run way more targetting cantrips in your deck to really take advantage of the cheap card draw with Zada. even drawing 3-5 cards for 1 mana is back-breaking. I would run a full playset of Expedite and even 1-4 copies of Renegade Tactics . They can also be used just to filter through the deck in the early game, so they are valuable at all times. I feel like they would be more immediately impactful than something like Season of Growth, which doesn't synergize as well with Zada. Enter the Unknown also seems like it would be better served as actual card draw rather than explore triggers, though the potential pump is nice.
I also think you might be a bit light on creatures. How has the split between creatures and pump spells felt so far? From an outside perspective, it looks like you are playing too many pump spells, especially considering that you don't need more than 1-2 to win the game.
Since you are running a lot of 1-drop creatures and are aiming for a turn 5 kill, would Paradise Druid not give you a lot more benefits over Llanowar Elves? Hexproof and the extra power seem worth it and it would smooth out your curve better.
In your sideboard, Moonlight Hunt seems a bit strange. What is it there to combat? I feel like there would be better sideboard cards to choose from to address difficult matchups. Lava Coil could provide solid removal that doesn't rely on your creatures while also giving you the benefit of exiling the target. Even Domri's Ambush has great synergy with your strategy and would be difficult to stop.
1 year ago
Loved UR prowess when it was in standard, and to start you have too many creatures and lands. 16 creatures and 18 lands I found to be efficient at the time using cantrips such as Slip Through Space and Expedite .
So I looked through some pioneer legal UR stuff and here's what I came up with:
Baral, Chief of Compliance was a neat find, lowering the cost of your spells, and turning any counterspell into a cantrip. This I think would allow you to run more counters to protect your creatures while keeping cards in hand. I think I'd go with 2-3 copies because Legendary if you do. Extras can be discarded with spells or abilities or held as backup.
Prowess works with non creature spells, so if you don't mind sorcery speed buffs that cantrip or draw when you connect these auras may be for you; Curious Obsession , Cartouche of Knowledge , Fate Foretold , and Ordeal of Thassa .
For spells Opt allows for filtering, Renegade Tactics is a cantriping evasion option, Thrill of Possibility is a great draw that can be used as a combat trick with prowess and being instant, Titan's Strength and it's ilk make for harder hits.
Also tapped lands are bad, so the less the better. Shivan Reef and Mana Confluence while pain lands are untapped and your game plan should make it so you deal alot more to them than you do to yourself. Ramunap Ruins can offer that last shock to win for longer games. And Basics if balanced usually fill out the rest.
Hopefully that helps some, ifnI were to get into pioneer this probably would have been my first stop as well. +1 for ya.
1 year ago
This is very rad! You might like these: Nivmagus Elemental , Cephalid Shrine , Spark Double , Distant Melody , Banishing Knack , Renegade Tactics , Sunforger , Arcbond , Radiate , Knowledge Pool (when played after Hive Mind, but before a lose-the-game spell, it protects you from the spell while your opps will still have copies. also has interesting interaction with Zada/Mirrorwing as the originally-casted spell will still be copied for each creature, and potentially the second spell as well), Possibility Storm (works like Knowledge Pool), Dovescape (works like Knowledge Pool), Snap (potential for infinite mana. what makes it really interesting is that it untaps lands, so you can keep storing counters on Magosi and skip your next 1,000,000 turns. Why is this a good thing? Teferi's Protection), Guile (with Cephalid Shrine and your general, this lets you make infinite spirits. not great, but definitely weird!), Kaho, Minamo Historian , Mistveil Plains , Spellbinder
1 year ago
Very nice! I'm excited about this guy.
Scourge Devil is also nice 'cause you can discard it while rummaging or looting, and still get some great value out of it later.
Psychotic Fury probably won't work out like you want it to, though. You have to rely on someone else to have a legal target for it. You're probably better off with something like Alchemist's Vial , Renegade Tactics , or Chromatic Sphere .