Creature — Ape Shaman
: Destroy target noncreature artifact with converted mana cost X.
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|Coldsnap Theme Deck (CTD)||Common|
|Masters Edition II (ME2)||Uncommon|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Gorilla Shaman Discussion
5 months ago
Thanks for the feedback Robster. The deck has gradually gone down from 4 Thief of Hope as I've been underwhelmed by the card in playtesting. One copy is enough to tutor for and gives me a wincon when I go infinite. I've found he is not that amazing to draw. I win in the late game against practically every deck, and the life gain is a bit slow. It's probably nice against delver and boros, but it seems useless otherwise.
When I was first making this deck it was more spirit tribal and I was considering all of those cards, but I've found that control is a better strategy, as I have infinite card advantage. As of now, the deck has only 16 spirits, and I end up sacrificing them a lot, and Petalmane Baku ends up eating kill spells. Distant Melody is incredible when it works, but so often I won't have many spirits. Brilliant Spectrum is safe as I will practically always have 4 different colors, and I can recur whatever I discard as I'm mostly just digging for a combo piece or interaction.
What you mention does seem like a really cool way to take the deck. Making a bunch of spirit tokens, using 2 or 3 Distant Melody and winning with one of the 2 or 3 copies of Devouring Greed. Triplicate Spirits could be super good with infinite grave recursion and costing essentially 0 mana. I didn't even think of that card while I was making this deck. Splash in a Mountain for Path of Anger's Flame and Gorilla Shaman. That would make Dizzy Spell worth including. I'll probably test that out eventually, but I feel this is better as it can win through loads of every form of interaction.
6 months ago
Maybe add some repeatable sac outlets? Carrion Feeder is an all star, Viscera Seer can help smooth out your draws. You absolutely need to add more lands. Bloodfell Caves are a good dual land. Cut some of the creatures, you have too many. I don't like Frostling as it is just a worse Fume Spitter I don't like Augur of Skulls either, it just seems way too slow. Kathari Bomber is just bad. Hissing Iguanar can provide value throughout the game and help win through board stalls. Slum Reaper is another cut I would make. You should add some more recursion, like Unearth and Death Denied . In the sideboard add some artifact removal Gorilla Shaman and add some number of Red Elemental Blast
10 months ago
Not a creature, but Molten Vortex is insanely good against hate-bears as you can use your dead draws to take them out instead of your premium removal.
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10 months ago
So there're a lot of different directions you can take RG decks. I'll suggest some basic, universal additions first, and then suggest some win conditions:
The best part of green in EDH is the dorks. You should definitely run at least Llanowar Elves , but there're some other cards you should consider: Fyndhorn Elves , Elvish Mystic , Birds of Paradise , Arbor Elf , Shaman of Forgotten Ways , Somberwald Sage , Joraga Treespeaker ... If you end up having a lot of elves, running something like Priest of Titania is worth including. Depending on your meta, Carpet of Flowers can get a lot of mana. Finally, Orcish Lumberjack is a card I have been very impressed with... turning a forest into effectively a better Black Lotus is a good thing. (Note that Arbor Elf is especially good if it untaps lands enchanted with Utopia Sprawl , Elvish Guidance or Wild Growth ).
Red-green decks tend to poop out a lot of creatures and go lightly on the spells. Slate of Ancestry is an EXCELLENT way to recoup card advantage, provided you have a critical mass of creatures on the table. Commune with Lava is another excellent pseudo-card-draw thingy. If your games are usually four player games, Decimate is frequently a four-for-one, meaning that it's another good source of permanent-count advantage. Shamanic Revelation is another good draw-spell. If you have fat enough creatures, Rishkar's Expertise may merit an include. Hull Breach is a great two-for-one.
Green-red decks, which tend to be creature-heavy, can be soft to boardwipes. Heroic Intervention is a good way to protect your duders; Grim Flowering and Nature's Resurgence are good ways to recoup cards after losing a bunch of guys.
Tutors are good. Gamble is cheap these days, due to the recent reprint. Green Sun's Zenith , Tooth and Nail and Chord of Calling can all grab powerful creatures to play -- note that GSZ for X = 0 can grab Dryad Arbor , if you run it. Worldly Tutor or Sylvan Tutor are also good.
Oftentimes, green-red decks win through a combination of Stax pieces and aggro cards.
Potential Stax Pieces:
Blood Moon / Magus of the Moon : If you craft your land base carefully, you can make these into a near asymmetrical effect. A lot of decks benefit from greedy mana bases in EDH, and these are a way to punish that.
Artifact hate is pretty awesome. Collector Ouphe is powerful, since you can get your ramp from creatures while shutting off non-green players' artifact ramp; as an added bonus, you can grab it with Green Sun's Zenith or Chord of Calling . By Force is an excellent card that can nuke a lot of permanents at once, and Nature's Claim is a very efficient removal spell. Krosan Grip may be justified in a heavy-blue meta. Gorilla Shaman is good as a method of artifact-destruction that does not cost you cards. Also Reclamation Sage and Manglehorn .
Gruul has access to a lot of hatebears. Ruric Thar, the Unbowed is a really powerful dude you've already got, as he can club combo players like me really hard. Harsh Mentor is good for punishing all sorts of decks. Eidolon of the Great Revel , and his cousin Pyrostatic Pillar , are both good. Scab-Clan Berserker is similar to Kambal, Consul of Allocation in Orzhov. Runic Armasaur , too.
Cards like Root Maze can shut down combos really quickly, and City of Solitude / Price of Glory can prevent/discourage countermagic. Pyroblast or the Maybeboarded Red Elemental Blast can also be worth running.
Most of the best green decks end the game with an alpha-strike. Craterhoof Behemoth is the best for this, as it can be tutored out with Natural Order or a high-cost Green Sun's Zenith . Similarly, Overrun is good, but I suggest Triumph of the Hordes as a more potent alternative. This does, of course, require creatures on the board, so I suggest some of the following duders:
Eternal Witness (from Maybeboard)
Deep Forest Hermit / Thelonite Hermit / Deranged Hermit : These make bodies for Craterhoof Behemoth and Slate of Ancestry ; also good if you end up running Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip or Gaea's Cradle .
Beast Whisperer : Added bonus of card advantage.
...and the aforementioned hatebears can also attack.
Good luck! That's all I got.
1 year ago
Vandalblast, without question. It's already a viable spell in specific metas and is liable to gain general viability with the printing of Urza and his popularity.
Gorilla Shaman is a card with a similar niche that could also be considered for that function, but each of these 3 choices comes with it's own disadvantages and advantages. Vandalblast is usually the best overall performer.
1 year ago
No, that won't work. Cards just do what they say, no more and no less. Equinox can only be used to counter spells. It can't counter Gorilla Shaman 's activated ability or any other activated/triggered ability that would destroy one or more of your lands.
1 year ago
Lotus Petal could definitely be good in this deck Garchomp98. If I were going to add it I would probably cut the Vault of Whispers , one Plains , the Scale of Chiss-Goria , and one Tooth of Chiss-Goria . This deck is certainly capable of running with sixteen lands and with the added Lotus Petal I would think you can get away with fifteen. I think the Vault of Whispers comes out before Darksteel Citadel because Vault of Whispers is really only in the deck to maybe cast Vault Skirge without paying the life. On the other hand Darksteel Citadel having indestructible is important when facing cards like Gorilla Shaman . The Scale and the Tooth are also definitely two of the weaker cards in the deck.
1 year ago
You seem to have a lot of high drops for an aggro deck. Some cards that I would cut would be Debtors' Knell ; it is just too slow for an aggro deck (especially since you have alesha), along with a lot of the other recursion cards. They work well in slower matches, but aggro is not the place for them. In addition, you will want to play as few tap lands as possible. Cut the bounce lands especially for fast lands like Concealed Courtyard . A lot of the minotaurs do nothing other than be minotaurs. I would cut those.
As for replacements, lower drop ramp spells to get your threats out faster (signets, Coldsteel Heart , Sol Ring , Mana Crypt if you have the money), cheap, fast card draw like Night's Whisper and Sign in Blood (NO Phyrexian Arena ), speedier removal (think Disenchant , not Return to Dust ). Depending on meta speed, you may want a Gorilla Shaman for 0 drop artifacts.
Hope this helps a bit.