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Each player loses a third of his or her life, then discards a third of the cards in his or her hand, then sacrifices a third of the creatures he or she controls, then sacrifices a third of the lands he or she controls. Round up each time.
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1 week ago
@Saljen: Thanks for the feedback! I appreciate it.
I'm not too sure about Dark Deal, it's only useful on the third turn with a Waste Not on the field.
Based on the people I play against, Pox and Innocent Blood are not too useful. My opponents always have a lot more resources than me.
Oblivion Stone, Ensnaring Bridge, Bloodghast and Liliana of the Veil are out of my budget.
I pick Bottomless Pit over Necrogen Mists. Added to the deck.
I like Skeletal Scrying, Crypt Rats and Fume Spitter. I will consider them. I also want to get Nezumi Shortfang.
1 week ago
I once built a similar deck a couple months ago which I plan on revising soon, and probably even changing some core mechanics, but until then: Welcome to the Viper Pit might have some good cards for you to look at. I took a slightly different route focusing more on throwing things into the grave via cards like Deadbridge Chant so I could easily pull exactly what I needed back out using cards like Treasured Find.
Some specifics I'd like to point out are: Elixir of Immortality and Feldon's Cane for grave hate prevention since you can tap them at instant speed, and cards like Splendid Reclamation since I saw you included Pox.
For your +1/1 and token mechanics: Reyhan, Last of the Abzan, Vigor, as well as Hardened Scales. Mycoloth does both. Doubling Season has always been a favorite of mine, or the budget alternative Primal Vigor. Tokens can also be boosted using Parallel Lives or Second Harvest. I also have a +1/1 focused deck called "Place 2(3[X+1]2)+1 +1/1s On Creature When It Dies" (TappedOut doesn't like formatting symbols) which, although being rainbow, has a strong focus on green and just stacking creatures sky high.
As for what you should get rid of: I'm not sure mana ramp is really needed for a deck like this, Birds of Paradise, Sakura-Tribe Elder, and Wood Elves are nice, but you could accomplish the same thing with an Evolving Wilds or Terramorphic Expanse minus the cannon fodder, but with the token theme you should already have enough of that. Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger I can see as being more control than ramp but its a heavy cost card in an otherwise lighter CMC curve deck and control isn't really a strength in your deck either.
Hope something in my text block helps.
1 week ago
I run a black rack style tiny leaders deck as well. Here's some cards I'd recommend: Dark Deal, Innocent Blood, Pox, Thoughtseize, Skeletal Scrying, Ensnaring Bridge, Oblivion Stone, Bottomless Pit, Necrogen Mists, Liliana of the Veil, Blood Pet (ramp/liliana trigger), Bloodghast, Crypt Rats, Fume Spitter (liliana trigger/removal), Nezumi Shortfang.
edit: after attempting to post this; I just realized how much of my deck is illegal in Tiny Leaders. Jesus, that ban list has absolutely exploded!
4 weeks ago
Hi there, I was wondering if you have considered just a few stax cards since you will most likely have enough tokens to offset their effects? The cards I'm mostly thinking of are Smokestack, Small Pox and maybe even Descent into Madness? deathcloud and Pox might be too much though.
1 month ago
No problem AwesomeDoofus! Glad my suggestions could be of some help!
It's true that more efficient CMCs will often lead to higher prices i.e. Liliana's Caress vs Raider's Wake. Though, if your LGS (local game store) is selling Liliana's Caress for 8$, that is truly egregious. You can find them here for 2-3$ a card here TCG Player and I suggest buying other cards on that website since they have very competitive pricing.
My opinion of Consume the Meek is not very high considering that you can wipe the whole board for the same mana cost in cards like Crux of Fate. Pestilence Demon is also pretty meh to me because it is terribly expensive unless you are running some kind of reanimation deck with cards like Entomb and Animate Dead OR ramp spells like Dark Ritual, Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, and Cabal Ritual. If Tempt with Immortality is already a very medium card in your deck, then I would shy away from adding other medium cards to the deck like Crypt Incursion just to make the other medium cards better. It's simply better to not have the initial medium card in the deck to begin with. The other cards I'm not so big on as well, especially when you consider that you wanted to add more discard to the deck. These other cards would make that hard to do.
Unfortunately the best discard effects are pretty expensive because they see play across multiple formats. These include-
-to name a few
The other problem with discard spells is that they lose their potency late into the game because people will simply be drawing and playing their only card and have nothing to discard. This is why cards like The Rack and Black Vise are so good. These cards create tension within your opponent and gives value to your discard spells late into the game. Your opponent will not want to play anything so that they can keep cards in hand to not take damage from the artifacts, this means your discard spells will actually be worthwhile late into the game creating a lose-lose situation for the opponent because they will take damage from the artifacts if they play what they draw, but if they don't play what they draw you may just make them discard it anyway and how can they win if they are not playing the cards they draw? A deck that looks to enable this strategy on a budget for 1vs1 (so no Liliana of the Veil or Thoughtseize) might look like this-
4x Dark Ritual (this card enables you to do very powerful things early in the game such as play Hymn, and Inquisition on turn 1)
1x Waste Not
4x The Rack
4x Black Vise
Two things to notice here, 1 there are no creatures. This means cards like Innocent Blood, Pox, and Smallpox do not affect us in that way, only our opponent. Our main win condition here are the Rack and Vise, so no need for creatures. The Mishra's Factorys are just a plan B. This also makes a lot of our opponents cards, like removal spells, very bad against us limiting the amount of impactful cards they can play against us. The second, is you'll notice there are a lot of 4ofs. Rather than having 1 of this and 2 of that, having multiple copies of 1 card increases the percentage that we actually draw it or have it in our opening hand. What this means is that our deck is much more efficient because the chances and percentages of us drawing the cards we need are as high as they can be. This is an important aspect of deck building to keep in mind.
Now, that last deck was a true discard deck. If you want to play creatures though and want to be swinging for damage in Mono then I would suggest a Devotion deck which exploits the power of cards like Gray Merchant of Asphodel by trying to get as many symbols on the battlefield as possible. A Devotion deck with budget in mind (so no Phyrexian Obliterator) for 1vs1 might look like this-
4x Doom Blade
4x Brain Maggot
Now these two decks I put here are just simple examples of different directions to go, obviously if you do a mix of both of them, then you will inevitably dilute the strategy of one another but that's certainly okay if that's what you want to do. It's kind of where I would put the deck as it stands now. You have some discard, you have some creatures, some of it synergizes with the rest, but as a whole it is not as focused as the decks above. All of this is to answer your last paragraph when you ask, "What is worth keeping?" Well, that's a tough question because we first have to ask, "What is it we are trying to do?" Once you answer this, you can then eliminate the cards that don't help in those areas and add more copies of the ones that do. Now, I don't want to push you one way or the other, I simply want to provide the options so that you know what possibilities are out there.
I hope this was not terribly overwhelming, and you are right, this is what I enjoy doing on this site so its no trouble to me! So if you have more questions please feel free to ask!
1 month ago
Here are some more fun ways to make your opponents discard cards and lose life. You mentioned that you just play with your friends, if you play multiplayer games then the cards that say each opponent are especially powerful-
Other good Mono stuff
Underworld Connections can help refill your hand while emptying your opponents
Hope this helps trim and focus the deck a bit more and gives you some more ideas to brew with!
1 month ago
Again, I'm going to have to push for Necropotence. It lets you draw and fill your hand and if need be you can overdraw and discard into the grave.Buried Alive, Collective Brutality, Smallpox, Pox... these would put stuff into the grave for you. I love Smallpox, it does almost everything.
How could I have forgotten to suggest Cemetery Reaper?
1 month ago
Not to worry! There are a lot of ways to speed things up. Looking at your list, here are a few things that I recommend:
This is something I plan to address, but haven't had the time to write up quite yet. Some of the answers you're looking for are in the replies I've made in the comments - I will add a section like this soon enough.