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Creature — Giant Warrior
Borderland Behemoth gets +4/+4 for each other Giant you control.
Borderland Behemoth Discussion
7 months ago
For additional comparison on why Dracognax's casting cost is too low, here are some similar cards.
Kilnmouth Dragon has Amplify 3, flying, and a 5/5 body. It has an additional ability to deal direct damage based on how many counters are on it. It's casting cost is . This creature has the highest currently existing value for Amplify.
Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund has an ability to gain control of all Dragons when it enters the battlefield, with no end condition or further connection to the card. It's also a 7/7 with flying (and haste and gives your other Dragons haste). Its casting cost is .
Borderland Behemoth is the closest I can find to compare to the last ability. It gets +4/+4 for each other Giant you control, and is a 4/4 to start. Its casting cost is . Dracognax's version of this ability is poorly worded because, since it doesn't exclude itself, it's actually a 9/9.
The only reason to actually set a value other than 0 for the in Dracognax's casting cost would be to get around abilities like those on Void Winnower that prevent the casting of certain CMC spells, or to dodge a counterspell that targets a specific CMC.
7 months ago
Great deck, absolutely hilarious, +1!
Imagine how huge a Borderland Behemoth could get in here xD
1 year ago
elgosu1337: They go infinite if you can make a token, because you can throw an expendable token copy into combat - who cares if they die? ;) Scourge of the Throne definitely requires a certain amount of clever planning, but that's not a huge issue.
You're right re:Jace, Cunning Castaway, though (although he's not a horrible draw effect himself, and he can make creature tokens). Dammit, I thought I was being clever XD he'll probably get cut for Bident of Thassa, then.
I'm running "payoff creatures" in mine as well (Hellrider, Sharding Sphinx, Utvara Hellkite, etc), but I prefer that my payoff creatures aren't completely useless when they're not repeatedly cloned (for example, Borderland Behemoth is terrible except under the circumstance where you successfully have it AND a copy effect AND Brudiclad).
Sorta the same thing re: Windreader Sphinx vs Consecrated Sphinx (though to be fair I could definitely run both). Consecrated Sphinx is ALWAYS amazingly good, while Windreader Sphinx requires me to have a board state and clone effects to do anything significant. Also, Windreader Sphinx is really overcosted :/ didn't even make the cut into my The Locust God list.
Thanks for your thoughts!
1 year ago
Hey Daedalus19876, I'm not sure if the extra combat creatures like Combat Celebrant and Lightning Runner will work well because they are small so most of them will die after one combat. Scourge of the Throne is tricky to use as well because to get the extra combats you have to attack with one the first combat, then the first one and another one the next combat, then the first two and another one and so on. Jace, Cunning Castaway doesn't work with Brudiclad because the tokens that get turned into Jace have 0 loyalty counters and die immediately.
You should try the payoff creatures in my Brudiclad deck like Angrath's Marauders and Borderland Behemoth, since they can win in a single combat with ridiculous amounts of damage. Stalking Vengeance is also good if you can boardwipe right away. Coat of Arms is also good because it turns even small tokens into big ones.
I would also suggest Windreader Sphinx over Consecrated Sphinx since you get to draw cards without waiting for opponents to draw, and you draw more cards with Windreader than Consecrated (6 Windreaders draw 36 cards right away whereas 6 Consecrated will draw 12 cards when your opponent draws next turn).
1 year ago
So a couple of great wincons you could consider are Angrath's Marauders, Borderland Behemoth, Omnath, Locus of Rage, and Stalking Vengeance. You probably don't need Emmara since your creatures will get big, especially by the time you are playing a 7 drop.
Panharmonicon could help you get more triggers out of Bramble Sovereign, Dual Nature, Flameshadow Conjuring, and Minion Reflector, which can be great if you don't have Brudiclad. You could also add Parallel Lives.
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker is great for copying a creature and making a hasty token.
Mana Echoes is amazing for mana in a token deck. Are you getting good value out of the creature type changing enchantments? If not, Sliver Queen as commander can make more tokens, and also goes infinite with Mana Echoes.
1 year ago
Thanks everyone for the comments! Individual replies below.
BolasFucks: Phyrexian Processor certainly can make a big token, but the life cost is risky and the tokens don't trample. Angrath's Marauders and Borderland Behemoth can frequently deal more than 40 damage for each token without having to pay life. Mechanized Production is a good alternate wincon and also a way to copy an artifact, but currently most of the things in this deck worth copying are nonartifact, and it needs to last through all my opponents' turns before I can win with eight artifacts of the same name.
Ben773: The myriad cards are decent but not the most powerful things to be doing. Crush of Tentacles removes all the tokens we have already made. Precursor Golem tokens are vulnerable to spot removal on the original. Gold-Forge Garrison 4/4 is not worth it. Copying the 5/1 tokens from Rite of the Raging Storm means they all get sacrificed at end of turn. Metallurgic Summonings is already in the deck. Infinite Reflection costs a lot of mana and only affects nontoken creatures. Mirror Mockery tokens can't be copied since they only appear after Brudiclad's trigger is over. Flameshadow Conjuring is a card I quite like from my other decks and might try out in this. Inferno Titan dealing 3 additional damage per token is quite little. I'm trying to include a few more card advantage options. I do have Pact of Negation and Spell Swindle as counters. I might also include Force of Will and Swan Song as low mana cost options.
1 year ago
Thanks for the comment generalrenard. As mentioned in the description, Coat of Arms and Shared Animosity make all the tokens much bigger when Brudiclad turns them all into the same token with the same creature type. The burn damage from Ghirapur AEther Grid is much more insignificant since it's 0.5 damage per token and only for artifact tokens, and if I tap them I can't attack.
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor, I think Siege-Gang Commander could be a good addition, but the costs outweigh the benefits for the other cards. Wurmcoil Engine tokens are small although copying the original card could be valuable as a death effect. Desolation Twin costs a lot of mana and Phyrexian Processor costs a lot of life, and the tokens don't trample and aren't that big compared to the cards already included like Angrath's Marauders or Borderland Behemoth which can do over 40 damage each. Myr Turbine makes just 1 token a turn, Thopter Assembly could be a delayed 6 mana for 5 tokens, but is not reliable if I already have Thopters from other sources. Mechanized Production is not bad for the alternate win condition and copying noncreatures although the token is only produced next upkeep. Saheeli's Artistry would be useful if I was running more noncreature payoffs but for now is costly at 6 mana. Rite of Replication is good but since I don't think I will be kicking it often I'm running cheaper single target copy spells for now, will have to test it. I'll be tuning the deck and adding more ways to protect Brudiclad. I'd cut the token producers that rely on instants and sorceries if I find that they don't trigger enough. Thanks again for the detailed suggestions!
1 year ago
I really like the deck, I built a similar deck too. My deck used the non-legend Eldrazi with annihilator like It That Betrays as the big payoffs. I really like Angrath's Marauders and Borderland Behemoth they seem like a lot of fun.
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