pie chart

Torpor Monster Factory

Legacy* Combo Control

Its_Johnny_Bravo

Maybeboard


Description

This deck is just pure rediculousness in regards to Stifle/Torpor Orb.
The key is to draw into either Stifle/or Torpor Orb and pretty much, you do the math.... big creatures big drawbacks??? now big creatures NO DRAWBACKS. Tried and true...

Listed Combos-

Phyrexian Dreadnought + Stifle , or any other Dark Ritual + Phyrexian Dreadnought + Torpor Orb 1st Turn!!

Academy Ruins to bring backTorpor Orb or, or Spellskite...

Lim-Dul's Vault and Ponder to tutor my way into big nasty creatures.

Not of This World is an instant counterspell for 0 when you decide you want to Path to Exile one of my baddies

Spellskite to deflect spells in addition to

see??

works doesn't it... +1?

Updates

Comments View Archive

yad says... #1

Sundial of the Infinite could get some good utility in this type of deck. You can exile those pesky triggers when they placed on the stack. It would also double as a nice surprise for your opponents when they try to play an instant or fast effect on your turn.

September 5, 2014 11:18 a.m.

Quadsimotto says... #2

This is brilliant. no white involved or i would suggest the new Hushwing Gryff to up the chances of keeping those triggered abilities down.

September 7, 2014 12:21 p.m.

I saw that and I was hoping they would bring back the dreadnought!

September 7, 2014 12:34 p.m.

JamesCharming says... #4

This is brilliant. If I never have to play against this, I will be a happy Magic Player. xD

September 12, 2014 7:28 p.m.

GlistenerAgent says... #5

You need to have more consistent card-draw. If you never draw Torpor Orb or Stifle , you might just be dead due to having creatures that have terrible drawbacks. I recommend playing sets of cantrips like Ponder and Brainstorm to ensure you find your pieces more consistently. Cut the cards that are not essential.

September 12, 2014 9:52 p.m.

Actually that's not a bad idea.

September 12, 2014 9:56 p.m.

Better?

September 12, 2014 9:58 p.m.

GlistenerAgent says... #8

Much better. Try to find room for Preordain if you can, since you really are reliant on finding a small set of cards to make your deck work at all. Counterspell is better in Legacy than Mana Leak .

September 12, 2014 10 p.m.

I agree Counterspell is better but I don't want to burn uu when i need to spend bu. better options and usually it goes very fast. I win on average turn 4

September 12, 2014 10:03 p.m.

DavidBray says... #10

Quick question. Not of This World would not counter a, say, Mana Leak targeting my Phyrexian Dreadnought AS I play it, right? Only abilities and spells when it's on the board?

September 13, 2014 9:35 a.m.

@DavidBray You are correct. It costs 0 mana only if the spell targets a creature you control with power >= 7.

September 13, 2014 9:36 a.m.

It's best for countering Unsummon type cards or Path to Exile / Doomblade removal spells

September 13, 2014 6:19 p.m.

@ GlistenerAgent: I have been considering Stubborn Denial from the new set! what are your thoughts?

September 13, 2014 8:05 p.m.

Throw it in. It's very good.

September 13, 2014 10:27 p.m.

senseiFUBAR says... #15

Well if this is really trying to be a legacy deck, you need Polluted Delta and Underground Sea . If it's just a casual deck that happens to be legacy legal then w/e.

September 20, 2014 8:06 a.m.

the only reason they arent in here is because i dont own them

September 20, 2014 9:52 a.m.

zyphermage says... #18

Not sure how well this deck would really work. Seems too gamble too much and have a lot of non action pieces by themselves.

October 5, 2014 1:34 p.m.

not at all. I rarely lose when playing this.

October 5, 2014 5:55 p.m.

Do you play against competitive Legacy decks?

October 5, 2014 6:07 p.m.

I have playtested probably 10+, in addition to that i have played against many legacy formatted competitive decks and have lost only a few times.

October 5, 2014 6:17 p.m.

Can Torpor Orb and Stifle counter sacriface creature spells like Cosmic Larva , Ball Lightning Hell's Thunder ,... And can you change Hunted Horror or even Eater of Days ability so it targets Spellskite (cuss im not sure how Spellskite actually works and what this card can do) so you could get benefits of those cards

BTW awesome idea. I really like it, I never played any Legacy but this is too awesome or even broken lel. Its my first time i see this type of a deck so i reallyy reallyyy impressed !

October 6, 2014 6:13 a.m.

yad says... #23

ActionHeroDwag

Torpor Orb can only stop 'enter the battlefield' effects from triggering, so it can't touch things like Cosmic Larva or Ball Lightning . Stifle though can counter to abilities once they trigger so that will work. You could also use Sundial of the Infinite to keep Ball Lightning in play, but you probably wouldn't gain any benefit in keeping Cosmic Larva in play except as a blocker.

The triggered ability from Hunted Horror and Eater of Days is not considered a spell so it could not target Spellskite .

I've got a similar deck that runs both Torpor and Sundial Black Orb.

October 6, 2014 9:33 a.m.

Wiktul says... #24

Hah, you're the first guy other than myself that thought of using Not of This World and that was why I checked this deck. It's really good idea, try to beat some legacy tournament with this one ;)

October 11, 2014 8:24 a.m.

AlbinoRaven says... #25

no Ancient Tomb or City of Traitors ? City is expensive but tomb is pretty cheap now right?Then you can also use Chalice of the Void to shutdown some decks. I'm trying to think of a way to make this more blue to use Force of Will . I understand it is more casual now and made up of what you have, but I find it interesting for those of us with the staples.

October 11, 2014 8:53 a.m.

I'd love to get a copy of force. Traitors is looking pretty awesome too. Ancient is another great card.. Maybe in the future

October 11, 2014 8:54 p.m.

RedKun says... #27

No Leveler ? I think he would be great in this deck, although that might be overkill at the same time xD

October 14, 2014 10:22 a.m.

ness64 says... #28

I've playtested and sometimes I get mana screwed. Maybe some Polluted Delta will help? It can also fetch Watery Grave as well.

October 15, 2014 2:30 a.m.

I wouldn't play leveler just because it's drawback is so bad that if for some reason torpor was destroyed or stifle gets force of willed you're literally screwed with no chance at all.

October 15, 2014 7:15 a.m.

GorehoundABB says... #30

how would you play around Abrupt Decay or Force of Will / Daze ? these cards can ruin the deck's plan to unleash value.

October 31, 2014 1:33 a.m.

Neither of those are in this deck for a reason. Force of will would be a prime choice if I was running more blue but there's very little here. Abrupt decay is great, but relies to heavily on mana combo so it's out.

October 31, 2014 7:12 a.m.

GorehoundABB says... #32

I think you misunderstood my question.

If your opponent were to play those cards in particular Abrupt Decay and Swords to Plowshares how would you play around those 1 -2 mana hate cards. where is the tech here? I see you have Academy Ruins and cards that give protection of a color but those won't stop everything. These cards as well as the others i mentioned before ruin the playability of the orb combo if your are trying to win on turn by turn 2-3 which is a realistic possibility.

October 31, 2014 11:54 p.m.

Those cards certainly pose a threat, which is why the sideboard is very important. Swords to plowshares is easily handled by apostles blessing or not of this world. Abrupt decay on the other hand is a problem (there's always going to be 3-4 cards that are just deadly against a certain deck), so I would rely on later game and additional creatures. This deck CAN be disrupted, but I would say that it is very competitive

November 1, 2014 9:22 a.m.

yad says... #34

Apostle's Blessing is a handy card to use against anything that that goes after the most important link in this deck, the Torpor Orb. That and Not of This World would give you great protection.

November 1, 2014 6:20 p.m.

GorehoundABB says... #35

Do you think Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas would be a suitable replacement for the Dark Confidant as a 2 of in the board along with 2 Surgical Extraction?

I am trying to build this deck but Bob is too much of an investment for me atm. Tezzeret is pretty awesome as an alt win condition and a tutor. he can get 26% of the deck as is. He also doubles over as an Essence Harvest for artifacts and you can turn your orbs/ lightning grieves into beat sticks in the late game for little cost.

Thoughts?

November 13, 2014 2:13 p.m.

GorehoundABB says... #36

Also thinking about Trickbind. that split second is harder to counter and makes the combo harder to disrupt.

November 13, 2014 2:15 p.m.

Qozux says... #39

Vision Charm is another budget way to counter the ETB effects. Illusionary Mask is a more expensive way to do it.

December 29, 2014 9:19 p.m.

zyphermage says... #40

Well, Tezzeret would be fine against 1 bolt if you plussed him.

December 30, 2014 12:45 a.m.

OLD3NVIORMENT says... #41

I think it would be worth splashing white to play Hushwing Gryff so that you can have a more consistant Torpor Orb effect.

January 23, 2015 12:10 p.m.

I really dont see it being too viable.. its 3 to cast, no direct damage, no control tactic, and easily targeted by red/black/white removal.. I would say yes, only if this were a modern deck without ponder and dark ritual.

January 23, 2015 4:53 p.m.

Qozux says... #43

Any thoughts of adding Manifest effects to the deck?

January 23, 2015 5:19 p.m.

@ Qozux
You know i just saw this mechanic and i was thinking that it might be really cool.. need to learn more about it in legacy formats though as i havent played with it.

January 23, 2015 7:59 p.m.

Write into Being was one i was considering

January 24, 2015 8 a.m.

Qozux says... #46

I would also lean heavily on Cloudform for the evasion and hexproof.

January 24, 2015 2:22 p.m.

yad says... #47

Manifest seems to be a bit to random for this kind of deck. Illusionary Mask on the other hand would be perfect.

January 24, 2015 7:42 p.m.

Qozux says... #48

Would anyone ever use Illusionary Mask for more than 0?

January 24, 2015 8:48 p.m.

yad says... #49

You actually need to spend, at a minimum, the casting cost of the creature. From the Oracle text:

Both the amount and types of mana you spend on X are taken into account while you're choosing a creature card from your hand. For example, if you spent UU on X, you can choose a creature card with mana cost UU, 1U, 2, or W/UW/U, among other possibilities, but not one that costs 2U or one that costs G.

January 24, 2015 9:16 p.m.

joekeny says... #50

What do you think of the new manifest cards like Cloudform and Lightform? Stuff like Brainstorm and Preordain could help ensure you hit one of your creatures and you could possibly have a hexproof, flying, trampling Phyrexian Dreadnought

March 2, 2015 2:05 a.m.

@joekeny these are good recommendation. Im actually currently testing a modern version of this deck that relies on manifest. Im running dreadnought, hunted horror, and confidant. So far its been doing pretty well. Im also running Waste Not and Dark Deal alongside a few other discards... Im mainboarding 4x Liliana Vess for HUGE combo power with manifest and waste not.. so far pretty great.. ill put up the deck soon

March 2, 2015 7:38 a.m.

Chronoloco says... #52

This is Legacy correct? Why do you have darkslick shores, drowned catacomb and watery grave when you have access to Underground Sea. I would put 4 seas and probably 8 blue fetches.

July 6, 2015 8:17 a.m.

goodair says... #53

Chronoloco $$$$

July 6, 2015 4:49 p.m.

Chronoloco says... #54

Well then be prepared to lose games to people with a more effcient manabase. That said, I'd take a look at some legacy stiflenought lists, as this is a real legacy deck that does what you're doing, but does it a lot better.

July 6, 2015 6:39 p.m.

Dapperdan20 says... #55

Sooooo, I made this deck and it does not make friends. That is all.

July 9, 2015 6:07 p.m.

Dapperdan20 says... #56

And good work by the way for coming up with and sharing your idea

July 9, 2015 6:07 p.m.

Chronoloco yes you are 100% correct about the lands. This deck is based on what i actually own. I dont think i can justify spending an arm and a leg for the real deal. But with that said- if i could it would be that much better.

July 11, 2015 8:10 a.m.

tmanc1 says... #58

So after looking at this and constructing it i added a few things and took a legacy tournament pretty easily. The mana base was fine actually, while there were situations that i wished i had the older lands the newer lands and fetches made it pretty easy to stay ahead. Mana wanst an issue when i could keep my opponent defensive having to use mana on thier main phase when i would counter. Disdainful stroke is a life saver post board tbh

July 14, 2015 5:47 p.m.

tmanc1 says... #59

July 14, 2015 5:48 p.m.

@tmanc1

Playtested and won 3 in a row! This deck needs better lands, thats all

July 14, 2015 9:14 p.m.

with fetches, Brainstorm is an amazing card. I also wonder if eater of days is too slow. I'd rather have those slots devoted to more draw than to worse wincons

July 17, 2015 7:51 p.m.

yad says... #62

I think with Ancient Tomb Eater of Days gets better. The Tomb also lets you get Torpor Orb out on turn 1.

July 18, 2015 1:16 p.m.

@yad I think youre right on this one, ill put two in and see what happens

July 19, 2015 9:10 a.m.

@ GlistenerAgent

You mentioned a while back getting some tutors for this deck- i started playing with Lim-Dul's Vault and this has become even better- id like to know your opinion on this card- or if you know of one better

it has allowed me to stack all 4 dreadnoughts on a torpor orb, or grab all of the counterspell cards needed.

July 21, 2015 9:07 p.m.

DeepShadow says... #66

Hey there. If you're into cards that love Stifle, you might want to consider Parallax Nexus. It's three mana to exile 5 cards from the opponent's hand, then the next turn you stifle the "leaves the battlefield" trigger. You basically empty your opponent's entire hand without the cards ever returning. That leaves you free to bring out your fatties without having to worry about removal. The big drawback though is that you need a Stifle or similar spell for it to work, which means you might have to add a few Trickbind just to help with the odds.

October 16, 2015 11:32 p.m.

I am aware of this combo, but as it requires certain cards to work, I don't want to try it. The thing is, with Torpor Orb in play, I dont need to worry about drawing into another Stifle to cast on of the fatties.

October 17, 2015 9:09 a.m.

gekkoe says... #68

+1 Very nice!

November 4, 2015 6:52 p.m.

blazorthon says... #69

Some people suggested Leveler, but as has also been mentioned the drawback is too dangerous. I'd suggest Etched Monstrosity over Leveler. Same mana cost, same power/toughness, but its drawback of casting without Torpor Orb or similar is MUCH more manageable. He's so much better that he isn't even bad without Torpor Orb. I use him in a similar modern deck because Phyrexian Dreadnought isn't legal in modern.

Cheap Tricks

March 14, 2016 1:12 a.m.

Actually that's a pretty good suggestion, I also like that you're running rites of consumption. I may have to build a modern deck now.

March 14, 2016 8:15 a.m.

blazorthon says... #71

Oh wow I forgot to credit you, I'm sorry. Your deck here was what gave me the idea for mine, I put that in my deck description now.

March 14, 2016 10:10 a.m.

yad says... #72

Hmm, Etched Monstrosity doesn't read like a trigger that would be affected by Torpor Orb (i.e., When, Whenever, or At) or Stifle. Am I missing something there?

March 14, 2016 12:33 p.m.

blazorthon says... #73

You may be right, it does only say that it enters the battlefield with the counters, not it gets the counters when it enters the battlefield. I'll have to check that.

March 14, 2016 12:48 p.m.

You are correct.

March 14, 2016 2:14 p.m.

DeadBoyInDrag says... #75

I want one +1 <3

April 28, 2017 12:47 a.m.

Please login to comment




Compare to inventory
Date added 4 years
Last updated 1 year
Legality

This deck is Legacy legal.

Cards 60
Avg. CMC 2.08
Tokens 3/3 Centaur
Folders deckz, decks, Favs!, Ciekawe, Neat stuff to try, Meeeeeeeh, Hmm, Cool Decks, doublec, lel, See all 16
Top rank #35 on 2014-09-13
Views 6465

Revision 18 See all

2 years ago)

-1 Swamp main
+1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth main
+1 Stubborn Denial side
-1 Sinkhole side