- 4x Blade Splicer
- 4x Delver of Secrets
- 3x Restoration Angel
- 4x Snapcaster Mage
- 3x Talrand, Sky Summoner
lol, you only hate delver because everyone is playing it right now. It's a pretty strong archetype. I can definitely see talrand working well with delver, though I'm surprised to see blade splicer instead of geist of saint traft and no swords or pikes.
July 7, 2012 12:39 a.m.
You almost don't need Cloudshift because of Restoration Angel being so powerful. A good card I have seen in that slot is Gitaxian Probe because it gives you an early idea of what your opponent is doing. Delver may be overpowered right now, but only because it has some decent pilots. Knowing what to expect from your opponents will help you to be one of those pilots.
July 7, 2012 1:08 a.m.
Cloudshift is in to protect Talrand, Sky Summoner , also. He's a main piece of the deck, and if he sticks around for a turn, he is sick. I can play him on turn 5 with one white mana open and a Cloudshift in hand ready to protect and make a dude. I know it might be greedy, but I am only running 3. Plus it DOES combo with every other creature in the deck, lol. Is that such a bad thing? I guess Gitaxian Probe is pretty good, but I dunno really. I'll have to do playtesting and see what I like better, but for the initial build its what I'm sticking with. I should be able to pick up the Talrand's in a couple days from my card shop, so playtesting will begin very soon.
rckclimber777 - I hate Delver because it is a boring-ass deck! I can't stand piloting it, I can't stand playing it, and I can't stand watching it. Plus it is so auto-pilot its insane. I've had much experience with the deck, so I'm not just 'claiming' this. Blade Splicer goes better with the blinking subtheme I have here, so that's why it's in for now. Only testing will tell what I like best... but I can assure you there will be at least 3 Geist of Saint Traft in the sideboard, haha.
Also, why does Combust have to specify that it can't be countered by "spells or abilites"? Wouldn't "Combust cannot be countered." have been good enough? I'm not really sure what other than spells or abilities can counter cards....
July 7, 2012 1:52 a.m.
I agree with metalmagic. Delver is boring. Tourny's would be WAY more interesting if players used different decks. It seems like there are only 3 standard decks that are used, delver being the biggest one.
July 7, 2012 10:58 a.m.
That's why my current FNM deck is W/B pure creature hate. I run 9 board wipes mainboard lol. Eventually they stall out and I win. Stops pretty much the whole relevant meta, unless something gets enough swords on it to shut me down.
July 7, 2012 11:42 a.m.
Interesting take on Delver. I haven't played against many Delver decks but this one seems pretty good. I love your Talrand, Sky Summoner take on it. +1 Have you considered Turn Aside for protecting your permanents?
July 7, 2012 2:05 p.m.
July 7, 2012 2:47 p.m.
Yeah, I've been thinking quite a bit about this deck over the course of the day, mainly about the sideboard. I know I definitely want at least 2 Terminus in there, along with 3 Geist of Saint Traft . I'm thinking 1 Terminus mainboard might be the way to go, so I can have 3 in all after sideboarding against matches in which they are needed. I have also been considering a Devastation Tide , because that card can be equally as devastating, more so to my opponent than myself since I am not burdened with any noncreature, nonland permanents in this particular build. It is a beating against Pod decks, and returning Snapcasters and Angels to my hand is one of the most degenerate things I can do. I'll edit this a wee bit later on tonight and upload what I have for a sideboard thus far for easy viewing.
Cloudshift does pretty much the same thing as Turn Aside in this deck, and more. It protects my guys from more than just spells, also, and gets me extra ETB triggers off all my creatures that have them.
July 7, 2012 8:18 p.m.
Sideboard is up! I actually went ahead and decided on a full 15 to start off with. I think it's probably my weakest part of the deck, but I feel comfortable enough with it to begin actual playtesting. Maybe a couple Phantasmal Images and/or Timely Reinforcements are in store for the sideboard, but other than that I'm not sure what else to do... The three Oblivion Rings could be changed around so I'd have room for one more Celestial Purge and Flashfreeze, but they all serve roughly the same purpose, and O-ring hits a wider range of targets. What do you guys think?
July 8, 2012 4:24 a.m.
July 8, 2012 4:37 a.m.
Eh, I just got off a RB Zombies kick, haha. It was fun and awesome because I elected to include Hellrider (BEST CHOICE EVER) and 3 Metamorphs, so there was so much shenanigans going on. Unfortunately, it became quickly hated out at my shop when like 5 other people played it also, and it's hard to beat a field geared to beat you.
Plus my hate for Delver doesn't come from not being able to beat it. I can beat it just fine with whatever deck I am currently playing. It stems from my overwhelming desire to shoot myself every time I play against or watch a Delver match because of how boring of a deck it is. The only reason I want to build this and play it is because A.) I love Talrand, Sky Summoner , and 2.) I want store credit to get boxes of M13, lol.
July 8, 2012 4:55 a.m.
I understand the whole Delver is boring thing. Even if you get around the fact that so many people play it, it is literally boring to sit against... It's fairly easy to take out if you do it right, but it's the actual play that is boring. Luckily, people are starting to mess about and make some less traditional Delver decks. Anyway, depending on your Meta, Mental Misstep might be worth considering (Champion of the Parish , Birds of Paradise , Vexing Devil ), Though I'm not sure. Any solid equipment you can toss on the Delver himself might also be good, assuming you have any (The Swords of - & -, The Pike if you get it, Trepanation Blade even). I really like Talrand in this.
July 10, 2012 9:18 p.m.
I hate delver, and blue white is my most hated colr combo( traft is the most annoying card ever printed in my opinion) but i actually like this deck. +1 go check out my deck!
July 11, 2012 3:22 a.m.
Know why delver is the "best deck" in standard? Because everybody and their freaking brother runs it. Statistically speaking, if 80% of the meta is playing delver then 8 of the top 10 will be delver decks. If people played other decks then delver would lose its popularity. I ran into this problem in North Carolina, everyone was playing delver so when I went with mono red goblins and went 4-0 and 5-0 everyone was so surprised that next week I went I faced 2-3 RDW decks.
Most people don't do original decks, they net deck because they want to win but they are limiting themselves by doing so because they are missing out on card interactions that are paramount to a healthy meta. This is one of the reasons I'm getting out of standard and into EDH.
As far as the deck goes, I really like Talrand, Sky Summoner in general and I'm glad to see you are following my personal rule on 3-ofs for a legendary. However, in his case I think he should be a 4-of just because after game 1 he is going to get so much hate and he will get hit with ALL of the removal.
July 11, 2012 12:53 p.m.
Mirb - Yeah, Mental Misstep is another card I have been considering, and I will probably end up swapping the 3 Oblivion Ring s for 3 of them. It really helps against so many matchups right now. I have plenty of cards, including Swords, Pikes, etc, so those aren't a problem. I'm going to be doing a lot of playtesting this week to see what I like, and I will be testing with swords (but probably not Pike, but maybe) to see if I like them. I like him too! I've flahsed in some drakes with him before to double block a Restoration Angel , a 1-for-1 trade in which I am actually gaining value. He is really good. Thanks for the thoughts and advice!
blackrun/UGplayerWillie - Indeed, and thanks (respectively)! I'm not really a fan of UW either, but I want to try this version of Delver out first, in case it gets huge so I can say I was among the first of the tools playing the most boring deck in history. (except for Stasis, which I LOVE)
Ohthenoises - It really isn't played a whole lot at my shop. We normally have 18-24 people, and fortunately usually only 3 or 4 people play it, which is at most 25%. UNfortunately, 2 of the people that play it are among the top 5 players in the state, haha. Another thing, over half of the people there swap decks every single week, so it is really hard to have any actual 'meta.' I'm part of this, so I just make general sideboards to deal with general threats. I think in the matchups where I would want to have the 4th Talrand because of hate, I could just completely swap him for my other Legendary sideboard choice - Geist of Saint Traft . IMO he is fine against opposing Delver matches, as he creates flyers that, if dealt with, make the opponent lose value, but against primarily Red and Black matches is where the swap would come.
Also, I would LOVE to get more into EDH, but there are maybe 2 other people close to me that actually play it, so my deck just collects dust (it's quite an impressive collection, you should see it!) while it sits in its box, sadly. I normally do original decks, I know you've commented on a couple of them, but I decided to change it up this week and play a deck I am familiar with already and just spice it up to make it my own.
July 11, 2012 3:28 p.m.
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|Date added||5 years|
|Last updated||5 years|
This deck is not Standard legal.Highlight illegal cards
|Illegal cards||Seachrome Coast , Vapor Snag , Ponder , Mana Leak , Blade Splicer|
|Tokens||2/2 Drake, 3/3 Golem, 1/1 Spirit|
|Top rank||#9 on 2012-07-11|