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Whenever a creature you control becomes the target of an instant or sorcery spell, it gets +3/+3 until end of turn.
Wild Defiance Discussion
1 month ago
HI Im a veteran infect player and the local resident infect player at my place. Ill give you all the advice i can here.
Looks like you are going for the pump style infect here ao i wont reccomend any midrangey options. AND you wanna build on a budget sov ill keep that in mind.
First off you might want to consider the best of the best pump spells modern has to offer.
Might of Old Krosa this one leads the the most early kills, yes they see it coming but can they really dovanything about it?
Groundswell : If yoy run these i recommend not dropping land drops mindlessly, only drop them wheny you need them (usually u just need 2-3 ) this one is great!
Blossoming Defense : this card obly gives +2/+2 but its what the fragile infect deck needs. Protection. Always slap this one down when saving a creature from removal. Its a good habit to not go for 10 infect if opponent has open mana, instead go for 8 and save this in response.
I know it isnt an infect creature but Llanowar Elves is actually great to have. Yes i know it isnt heirarch and no exalted. But its a great turn 1 play to give you t2 threat and mana left for protection.
Duress is great since you are playing black.
As for lands? I know its a budget deck so Llanowar Wastes is extremely underrated. This deck is mesnt to be fast and the ping 1 doesnt add up fast enough.
2 months ago
As always, thanks for your input!
I, too, generally prefer Scavenging Ooze over Relic for dealing with graveyard effects, but the whole point of an Infect deck is speed. I don't want to be burning a multiple green mana every turn, I just need to buy myself a round or two. For that, Relic seems much more ideally suited.
The original deck features six fetch lands, so I don't usually have trouble triggering Groundswell . It's probably just local meta but I NEVER see Bogles or Affinity - but that doesn't mean that I'm not keeping Vines in the forefront of my mind when it comes to tinkering. Fact is that if I'm usually worried about using it to target my opponent's creatures, I've probably already lost the game.
Wild Defiance is definitely on my radar as an option - Spellskite protects my creatures from a wider array of effects but gets wasted once Canopy Cover hits the table whereas Defiance gives me both an offensive AND a defensive benefit. I'm currently weighing them both to see who gets two of my sideboard slots.
Thanks again for popping in!
2 months ago
I'd personally run Vines of Vastwood over Groundswell , or as a split at least. With only 19 lands and no fetches we are just not going to trigger it for 4 that often. And I LOVE Vines vs. Hardened Affinity, Bogles, and random decks with Vehicles or Equipment since we can target our opponent's creatures to fizzle Modular, Auras, Equip, and Crew.
2 months ago
rdean14, those are all meaningful insights. I am hesitant to make any changes, because infect works on a linear basis; all the decks cards work towards a singular purpose, and that is to play the infect creatures and get 10 poison counters as quickly as possible. I follow a lot of pros that use infect in competitive play, like Aaron Baritch and Tom Ross and Andrew Jessup, and they all have roughly the same, optimized list. They’re playing against decks and archetypes like yours, and in many cases with even more powerful cards, and they’re still putting up high finishes in tournaments. In SCG Worchester this past week, Aaron Baritch went undefeated until round 14. That tells me that while some matchups aren’t great, they’re not unwinable.Also, a very important thing to note, is that when you’re play testing decks on this site you cannot have access to the sideboard. My cards and my sideboard like Spell Pierce and Wild Defiance and Spellskite are in there for highly interactive matchups, like burn.
3 months ago
I’ll try to answer your questions in order.
In relation to the investment, if you have $30 a month to spend I would spend it like this: 1 Inkmoth Nexus and 1 Windswept Heath 4 times, then 1 Wooded Foothills and 1 Pendelhaven 2 times, both Breeding Pool one time, then the last 2 Flooded Strand the last month. That’s the most expensive part is the land base in 8 months.
If possible, buying all of the inkmoth nexus at the same time would be ideal, but the previous plan I laid out also works. The positive point of that is every month that you invest your deck it’s a little bit better and so you’ll start seeing better results almost immediately.
Definitely get those birds of paradise or noble hierarchs. You’ll start to see an immediate difference.
Slip Through Space is one of those cards that a lot of people have a Lotta different opinions on based on your playing style. Personally, I prefer getting to spell’s for the price of one, just because it makes your creatures that much harder to play around for your opponent.
Become a man’s is, like you said, not terribly essential, but it does make for some seriously busted play.
Mono Redburn isn’t our best matchup, but with my version it is capable to out race their burn. The biggest point with burn is you need to be careful with your own fetch/shock and you need to find a good big turn to go off.In those games, I almost always bring in my three sideboard Wild Defiance to mostly ruin my opponent’s targeted burn. In that kind of game, you’re going to be using a lot of your protection spells like vines of the vast word and Become Immense to save your creatures until you can stick wild defiance. That’s also a really good game to bring in some sideboard copies of Spellskite .
3 months ago
As an Infect player, I like both vs burn. If burn is currently your biggest issue, side 2 Wild Defiance and keep both spellskites in. If you're still having issues look at more Dispel , Negate , Spell Pierce etc to side in, so your deck turns more from aggro to control. Personally I'm not a fan of Kitchen Finks , I've always felt it dilutes your wincons but that's up to you. I don't see any reason for nissa, if you want another 3-drop then finks would fit better.
A side note, consider switching Mutagenic Growth for more Apostle's Blessing . They are a lot more flexible and can help shove damage through. I know you don't run a lot of fetches but a mainboard Dryad Arbor is good as an emergency chump block, or to respond to a -2 from Liliana of the Veil
3 months ago
I'm a big fan of Wild Defiance when Bolt is popular, and as I type this it's the most played spell in Modern. S'kite is better IMO when Push and Path are more popular. Please take that with some healthy skepticism though, as I haven't sleeved up Infect in about a year :-/
I've never played Finks in Infect, but the card's very good (though Skullcrack is a serious bummer). And though Nissa VOZ is fine (in Ponza, anyways), I'd never bring her in for Burn.
If you haven't already done so, you might also ask over on r/Infect.
3 months ago
hey so im having trouble with burn matchups, personally through the years ive ran Spellskite as a 2 of to play versus burn but some people say Wild Defiance is the tech they swear their life on. while some burn players personally said the last card they wanna see is a Kitchen Finks
Also does any1 think this is a match where i should board in Nissa, Voice of Zendikar ?
what are your thoughts on which is the best and at what number?
p.s i already run 2 kite main, and i have plenty of sideboards space =)
heres my current list incase anyone wonders Ug infect
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