Heart of Kiran
Artifact — Vehicle
Crew 3 (Tap any number of creatures you control with total power 3 or more: This Vehicle becomes an artifact creature until end of turn.)
You may remove a loyalty counter from a planeswalker you control rather than pay Heart of Kiran's crew cost.
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Heart of Kiran Discussion
5 hours ago
Oath of Gideon is in my opinion a must have as it will give all your planeswalkers an additional loyalty counter.
Oath of Ajani have it as a 1 of because while it is really good at making planeswalkers easier to cast but the +1/+1 is kinda useless since you will rarely have many creatures.
Skyship Plunderer is a must run of at least 3 as it will give a single planeswalker another loyalty counter.
Heart of Kiran okay run 1 to 2 it is SO easy to crew in this deck and is a 4/4 body in the air, for two mana.
11 hours ago
1 day ago
These seem like changes for the worst. What is the biggest creature in Standard right now that you want to use Array on? Ulamog, which is an awful thing to attack you. The next biggest thing is what, Heart of Kiran? No deck in standard needs a tap outlet, since there are no big creatures to tap. Giving vigilance with the shield to serpent or demon prevents just as much as Array.
1 day ago
VEhicles are pretty much new-fangled Equipment with a different way to pay equip costs. Equipment upgrades weaker creatures. The inefficiency part of vehicles for me comes when you have to do it every turn.
Also, Heart of Kiran's crew cost is a bit high for just 2 elvish mystics. Also, if you had 2 elvish mystics, you could cast Archangel Avacyn Flip on turn 3 for pretty much the same 4/4 flying vigilance.
1 day ago
@Lmlyvie, I did consider Oath of Gideon, I also thought that would work well in a mono white deck alongside Heart of Kiran and Gideon, Ally of Zendikar. Gideon can be ultied and crew Heart of Kiran on the same turn, pumping up any tokens, and allowing a big hit with Heart of Kiran in the same turn.
@Zaueski, the original list had many more creatures, and was essentially aggro humans, without the Expertise. It was pretty much G/W humans splashing red for Arlinn Kord Flip. I don't think I knew about Metallic Mimic at the time. I may end up making and playtesting both lists to see which works better.
2 days ago
Oh, Aric_Haldan, I only added Ulvenwald Mysteries after you suggested it, I just thought about it and shrugged it off I guess, but I don't have the greatest deck building mind, I can just pilot the decks well Lol.
What do you think of Heart of Kiran as maybe a two of? It can lower my curve slightly by replacing Maulfist Revolutionary and it can be a target of Renegade Rallier. It doesn't really have the synergy, but I will have plenty of creatures that can crew for 3, even Expedition Envoy with an active Always Watching , Thalia's Lieutenant, etc.
2 days ago
Haksu I have seven Creatures in the deck that have Power 3. Wandering Fumarole is able to be Power 4, and Chief of the Foundry is able to be Power 3, if another copy is on the field. All my Vehicles are Power 4 and higher, when they are Creatures.
That's a lot of things that can Crew 3.
I have no idea what "pain train" means as you didn't bother to use its real name, or link it like this Renegade Freighter (that is my guess as to what you meant).
Heart of Kiran is better value for 1CMC less, as it gives Flying and Vigilance, and Untethered Express is better value for 1CMC more, as it is a 5/5 with Trample on the first turn it attacks, it gets bigger every turn that it attacks after that, and it is a bigger blocker than Renegade Freighter every Turn after it has attacked once.
You are worried that I might need two Creatures to Crew one Vehicle ... then you ask why I don't Mainboard Padeem, Consul of Innovation? That's pretty much your answer right there. Plus, I need to wait until Turn 4 for him to hit the field, and I could have had so many better cards out by that stage. I played with him in my Vehicles deck last Season and the Sideboard is definitely the best place for him.
I'd say from your Comment, that you haven't actually piloted this deck very much, if at all.
Or that you don't have much experience with Lands that can become Creatures, or with using Vehicles to Crew each other.
2 days ago
Yes I see. And do you consider also Heart of Kiran? With planes like Sorin is great because is a 4/4 that gives you a lot of protection! At prerelease I had tried it and it's very dangerous!