OK my question is where did you find the image for the altered card i love that archer image.

Fell in love with the alter and Got it off of Ebay. Not sure where the guy got the image. Sorry....Glad you like it though!

No worries thanks for the response.

I would change out Scroll Rack with Paradox Engine. My reasoning for this is you lack multiple fetch lands or creatures that can be played to shuffle your library. Currently I count two creatures that allow you to shuffle, if you do not want to change it I would recommend adding fetch lands to increase Scroll Rack's usefulness without impacting deck tempo with the added benefit of deck thinning. Having played a Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero rebel deck I can tell you from first hand experience that shuffle effects make it quite powerful.

As for Selvala, Heart of the Wilds, I don't think she would actually add much to your deck, her draw effect is pretty situational since Ezuri's overrun effect wont affect new elves coming into play with the possibility to backfire on you by allowing opponents potential draw. As for her mana effect, Paradox Engine would probably have greater effect with the number of mana producers you have but with less backfire potential.

I am sure there is a reason but I cannot spot it; so why did you put in a snow-covered forest?

Gadianten , thanks so much for the reply! I like your thought on Paradox Engine and Scroll Rack. i Have 11 tutors to shuffle the rack, and if that's not enough i understand. I would run Sensei's Divining Top, but being banned in duel commander, its just another awesome card to switch in and out.

Selvala, Heart of the Wilds is another infinite mana producer, and i am really tempted to put her in because of that, though i know there is risks, which in duel commander could end up pretty bad but in normal commander is much needed politics, so i am now even more unsure, which is a good thing.

The snow covered forest is in here because the difference between 1 snow land and a regular forest is negligible and i like the art. Plus in the unlikely circumstance someone plays Extraplanar Lens with all snow covered forests i benefit too. Ha....

Anyway thanks again for the response. I have been at a loss regarding the engine for awhile. :)

If you want Selvala, Heart of the Wilds in the deck try replacing Nissa, Vastwood Seer  ^Flip with her. Nissa seems unlikely to flip and there are superior sources of elf mana to be had. They also share a CMC so it would not change the mana curve and has the bonus of increasing devotion by . If Nissa is in for land fetching only you might consider Farhaven Elf instead as it does a better job and synergizes with Gilt-Leaf Archdruid by upping druid count by one.

On a slightly interesting rules note for Selvala, Heart of the Wilds, you can increase the creatures power before the ability resolves and guarantee a card if you have single target power boost abilities at instant speed. The most likely way to mitigate her downfall would be pumping your elves up higher then opponent creatures to deny them the card draw.

Nettle Sentinel?

Hi Poprox. Thanks for checking it out!!!!

Nettle Sentinel just didn't make the cut in my build. What would you cut from my current build to add him in? What does he synergize with more than other things in my list? I have a hard time answering those myself.

I am really having fun with the current build, and changes need a lot to be justified at this point. Keep in mind i am trying to keep this legal in both Duel and EDH, with minimal card switches needed.

I would cut Nissa, she doesn't seem very necessary.

I would also drop Sylvan Scrying for Greater Good.

Greater Good would only help when I am already pumping my elves and my deck no longer needs the gas... Though it is a great card. Nettle Sentinel does nothing I need in commander. There's is only Birchlore Rangers to exploit the untap. Not quite enough to justify inclusion. Nissa has been discussed quite a bit and I have considered Eternal Witness, Birthing Pod, Scroll Rack, Elvish Champion, Gilt-Leaf Archdruid, Dwynen, Gilt-Leaf Daen and many others, but can't seem to pull the trigger do to sentiment and her being a removal target that takes a blow my combo pieces won't have to. Thanks so much for the continued input Poprox!!!

So I'm a little confused on something here. Is this supposed to be a multiplayer only build or is it a duel commander deck? I do see a Sol Ring, and of course the deck is labeled as regular EDH, but I also saw commentary about "the top" (which shall not be named) that got me waning to check.

Anyway, as a side note did you realize that Argothian Elder can make infinite mana in the right scenario with Wirewood Lodge and a land that taps for more than one mana?

For actual commentary, have you ever heard of Tangleroot and how would you feel about using it as part of any of your combo effects? I admit I don't see where space could be made unless you started removing elves or lands, but personally I'm curious as to how well it could do. The same could go for Vizier of the Menagerie but he's not an elf so :P to him right?

Hi TheRedGoat. First off, I have tried to make the deck playable in both formats with minimal cards needing to be switched out. In this case it is just Sol Ring and Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary. At some point I intend to list the many many infinite combos this deck has, that being one of them. It simply is very time consuming and I can be quite lazy :) my favorite with the Elder is with Maze of Ith! :) Tangleroot would go great with Lifecrafter's Bestiary, but as you noticed there's not really a spot for it and I am very hesitant to add any other cards besides Selvala, Heart of the Wilds that can benefit my opponents as much as me. I really do like the Vizier of the Menagerie even if he is not an elf and if I ever snag one I will definitely want to try him out in this deck, even if I have no clue what I'd take out:) Thanks so much !!!

TheRedGoat just "clicked" on your "top" comment and realized I didn't touch on that. I am not saying it is the best Renegade leader list on tappedout, simply it has the most up votes. Consider it is a tier three commander for EDH and as such isn't all that popular for people looking for competitive builds. It is far to easy for this deck to get broken by something as common as a board wipe. It can win against one or two opponents by turn 3 or four but any more opponents beyond that and it just can't keep up. There are different ways to build this for far more resilience in 4+ games but that would ruin my lists competitive nature in duel commander, where I would consider it at least tier 2. Hope that clears some of it up for you!!!

Considering listing this under duel commander again instead... People just tend not to check out duel commander lists on here which was the reason I changed it to EDH in the first place. I like getting comments and often need them to make the changes it needs. We'll see how I feel in the coming weeks..thanks everyone for the continued support and input!!

How about Nissa Revane

Nissa Revane Is relatively good in less aggro elf decks, but ends up being too slow for much use in commander, and in duel she's needs some control andf removal to be of any worth, like Winter Orb and such. Just too expensive for little life gain and a single 2-3 Elf Nissa's Chosen, repeatable or not. Thanks for checking it out!!

Hello! I just wanted to thank you for sharing your deck! I now have some ideas on what to include in my deck. :)

Regarding Nettle Sentinel, people were recommending him was because he can make infinite mana with Heritage Druid, 1-mana elf, and Cloudstone Curio.

However, I think you already have enough ways to make infinite mana anyway, so he isn't really necessary anymore.

Thanks again!

Very nice deck man! I also run an elven themed deck based on Freyalise! You can check it in my profile to take some ideas if you like!

Sorry to be dense, but can someone explain the combos here? I noticed some of the basic ones but was wondering about other interactions.

There are so many combos it would be a big help for you to mention the ones you did get to save me quite a bit of time.

The main trick is to use any of the untapping artifacts and an elf and a board state that can produce enough mana to untap the elf and make at least one mana profit in the exchange. As soon as that happens you can gain infinite mana. Example [elvish archdruid] + [umbral mantle] + 3 other elves + infinite mana = Ezuri = win if combat damage gets through :) This combo has many variations in this deck.

Another example. [Seeker of Skybreak] + [illusionist's bracers] + Any mana producing elf = Infinite mana.

Another much more complicated combo.[Maze of ith] + [argothian elder] Ok so you go to combat declare an attack with the elder. During that declare attack phase you then use [maze of ith] to untap the elder. You then use the elder to untap a forest or such and the Maze. Since this all happens in the declare attackers step you can then repeat the process as much as needed to once again fuel any mana dump, the most common being [Ezuri, Renegade Leader]Another fun one [cloudstone curio] + [aluren] + a haste granter + two mana elfs each with cmc 3 or less. Aluren lets you drop one elf for free. Tap it for mana. Then drop the second elf for free. Use the stone to return the first mana dork then tap the new one. Repeat as much as you'd like to. :)

I am sure i missed a bunch but i do hope this gives you an idea of what's in here [kgreer] And thanks for checking it out!!

There are so many combos it would be a big help for you to mention the ones you did get to save me quite a bit of time.

The main trick is to use any of the untapping artifacts and an elf and a board state that can produce enough mana to untap the elf and make at least one mana profit in the exchange. As soon as that happens you can gain infinite mana. Example Elvish Archdruid + Umbral Mantle + 3 other elves + infinite mana = Ezuri = win if combat damage gets through :) This combo has many variations in this deck.

Another example. Seeker of Skybreak + Illusionist's Bracers + Any mana producing elf = Infinite mana.

Another much more complicated combo.Maze of Ith + Argothian Elder Ok so you go to combat declare an attack with the elder. During that declare attack phase you then use Maze of Ith to untap the elder. You then use the elder to untap a forest or such and the Maze. Since this all happens in the declare attackers step you can then repeat the process as much as needed to once again fuel any mana dump, the most common being Ezuri, Renegade Leader

Another fun one Cloudstone Curio + Aluren + a haste granter + two mana elfs each with cmc 3 or less. Aluren lets you drop one elf for free. Tap it for mana. Then drop the second elf for free. Use the stone to return the first mana dork then tap the new one. Repeat as much as you'd like to. :)

I am sure i missed a bunch but i do hope this gives you an idea of what's in here kgreer And thanks for checking it out!!

Sorry for the double post btw, i am not an upgraded user so i can't delete the post with broken links....

One more that doesn't have to do with mana.

Dwynen's Elite + Aluren + Cloudstone Curio = Infinite elves. Add a haste granter and hopefully that an auto win.

Great deck. +1