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Commander / EDH* cooknathan

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cooknathan says... #1

Please comment &/or +1 if you like, thanks for looking.

July 3, 2011 9:11 p.m.

cbc says... #2

Lightning Greaves is basically an auto include because it protects your general. Lurking Predators (better) and/or Call of the Wild (worse) would be pretty cool(and brutal) too.

July 28, 2011 10:32 p.m.

cooknathan says... #3

Thanks, the main problem with with those is that I cant find them when I need them. For example card:Champion's Helm serves the same purpose as Lightning Greaves would but I can search for the helm with Drift of Phantasms so I get it if/when I need it. This is why most of my artifacts, enchantments and sorceries are 3 cmc.

As for the other two, this deck tries to be fun rather than too brutal ;-) Aluren would be in there otherwise, I can then cast Shrieking Drake to draw most of my library and play most of the creatures for free then with Thousand-Year Elixir I get all the mana I need and get an infinite mana combo then play Thornwind Faeries and with an infinite untap combo I kill each opponent. But as I said, Im trying to keep it fun.

July 29, 2011 11:27 a.m.

cbc says... #4

Oblivion Stone would be a fetch-able mass removal spell with Drift of Phantasms if you needed it. You would also recover faster due to your general's ability to find creatures.

Game Preserve can be searched by Drift of Phantasms and is a lot less broken than the two mentioned before because it requires the other player to have a creature, put theirs into play too and can only activate during your upkeep.

July 29, 2011 2:40 p.m.

cooknathan says... #5

Your right about Oblivion Stone in fact I put it in my deck a few weeks ago and aparently forgot to update this list lol.

Im not too sure about Game Preserve as it could help my opponent more than me. Djinn of Wishes seems like a better option.

Could you suggest any more permanent removal? This deck struggles with it and the AEthersnipe , Kederekt Leviathan and Oblivion Stone dont quite cut it.

July 29, 2011 11:19 p.m.

cbc says... #6

Spell Crumple and Hinder both act for counter spells that can both tuck a commander into the deck or just put a card away for probably the rest of the game.

Beast Within should be a good card because 3/3s are a lot weaker at 40 life.

Turntimber Basilisk can sometimes kill other creatures.

card:Wren's Run Packmaster and Propaganda can certainly stall the game to find removal to.

Spin into Myth is another card that can do this but it cannot be searched by the transmuter.

July 30, 2011 11:05 a.m.

cooknathan says... #7

I apreciate the counters but our group plays a rule that commanders can be returned to the command zone from the library to try to keep it more fun (or less tears), Beast Within might be a good choice or maybe Terastodon or Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre Ill do some playtesting thanks.

July 30, 2011 11:36 a.m.

cooknathan says... #8

The Terastodon turned out to be quite a good addition, there is usually no problem finding the 8 mana to cast it and with a bounce combo its a good way to shut down a game.

August 3, 2011 1:43 a.m.

mozerdozer says... #9

Quietus Spikes only works for COMBAT damage and thus is a no go for tap damage, such as from Thornwind Faeries.

November 7, 2011 10:49 p.m.

cooknathan says... #10

I know. Its for the deathtouch ;-) Quietus Spike has more a bit utility than other things that give deathtouch. The deck has struggled for creature removal in the past although it has a nice balance now.

November 7, 2011 10:56 p.m.

outofnothing0 says... #11

card:Sakashima's Student? I find it's amazing in my momir variant (http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/momir-vig-edh-13-11-12-1/) because not only do you get to clone any creature on the board, you also can use the ninjutsu to bring back a creature to your hand allowing you to play it again (Eternal Witness /Wood Elves /Mystic Snake )and get those etb abilities triggering. +1 if you like the deck/ get any other ideas from it plz.

November 13, 2012 1:20 a.m.

Elend says... #12

Aluren + Cloudstone CurioMelira, Sylvok Outcast + Glen Elendra ArchmagePrimal Surge Palinchron + VorinclexSeedborn Muse + TeferiEquilibrium + Gilded DrakeDeadeye Navigator + PalinchronAvenger of Zendikar + Cratrhoof BehemothSomberwald SageSeedborn Muse + Ertai, Wizard Adept

June 21, 2013 3:51 p.m.

cooknathan says... #13

Thanks Elend, I had a look at your deck also Momir Def but it looks like you havnt updated that list in a while. Most of the suggestions are great but mostly they are too good lol.

So to explain my meta; we dont like infinite/insta-win combos, insta-lockdown combos or anything that is anti-fun (for example mass land destrustion or ultra competitive stuff) hence Aluren for example is just too good, Aluren + Shrieking Drake draw everything, I play Thousand-Year Elixir and have more mana than I know what to do with I play Ezuri, Renegade Leader and probably win that turn. Aluren is far too good to be fun. The line between good and too good is blurry but I have generally decided that things like Equilibrium , Tidespout Tyrant are too good but Glen Elendra Archmage + Melira, Sylvok Outcast /Master Biomancer is about the limit.

Secondly, we have a ridiculous amount of creature hate in the form of a very efficient Savra, Queen of the Golgari deck and Day of Judgment every second turn or more. For this reason I tend to prefer Mystic Snake /Glen Elendra Archmage over Ertai, Wizard Adept or Sylvan Ranger over Birds of Paradise for example. So ETB effects rather than activated abilities.

Lastly ive already got the equivalent combos to some of your suggestions, so Master Biomancer =Melira, Sylvok Outcast + Glen Elendra Archmage , Seedborn Muse =Murkfiend Liege /Patron of the Orochi + Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir = Yeva, Nature's Herald /Alchemist's Refuge /Winding Canyons .

All this being said I think that Craterhoof Behemoth deserves some consideration, Im not sure if its better than Ezuri, Renegade Leader /Kamahl, Fist of Krosa or if the deck should run some or all of these...

June 23, 2013 12:26 a.m.

outofnothing0 says... #14

check out my new build for potential ideas or leave some feedback/upvote if you're so inclined. i've switched out momir for zegana but its still etb based simic Zegana's Takeover

June 23, 2013 1:10 a.m.

cooknathan says... #15

Already have done ;-)

June 23, 2013 1:50 a.m.

outofnothing0 says... #16

haha right! don't know what i was thinking... must be tired. thanks!

June 23, 2013 2:31 a.m.

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