Ok, so as I saw a lot of people have already put up their impressions about the new cards being spoiled, but I just want to hop in the hype train and do the same ;) So here are the images of the cards and what I think about them:

Will this one replace Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge? Probably, but at the same time her ability is somewhat different. As stated before, she can't cheat big CMC spells, but I think the pros are enough to play her instead as de facto grixis storm commander. She can be used the turn she comes into play, and you can play any instant or sorcery from your graveyards back once per turn. I mean, this can be pretty powerful with rituals such as Dark Ritualor Cabal Ritual, but I think a mucktide deck can use it really better and play back High Tideor Bubbling Mucktwice. This is a pretty solid general, Tier 1

This is far less esciting for multiplayer commander, and I would say Tier 4/5. However, if you are playing Duel Commander, either MTGO or French, this will be a powerhouse in this format. This list is about multiplayer though, so not really good for us.

Meh... Maybe I am missing something, but this is not really exciting for us. Pretty voltron, and the clause that you can use the ability only once per turn during your turn makes it nothing but Tier 4 in my opinion. Maybe I am missing something but...

This is already a better vampire. With the tokens he creates, we could think about some stax builds, using the tokens as fodders or ways to break parity... There are some restrictions but... And he could be used as a finisher to pump your entire army after that, closing by combat after a lock. Tier 3

This one got me excited. I mean, I know it is a 4 mana commander, but there could be some ways to win on the spot. Many people have said it is a worst Necrotic Ooze in the command zone, but I would say it is more than that. This could be used to make a grixis nooze deck, or something similar, and I think it could be pretty good. We could use Mirror-Mad Phantasm with our commander to pitch the entire deck in the graveyard, Dread Returnsomething and win from there. I wont list the entire combo here but you guyz understand. I could also see something good by exiling a mana rock such as Gilded Lotusand having some fun with Paradox Engine. A lot of combos available, this as a lot of potential. Tier 2, at least 2.5

Not sure about this one, but he seems good for a control shell with a big reanimator package. Simply by being on the battlefield, he can let you dig a lot AND throw useless big creatures like Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur(useless cause you wont cast them) into the graveyard, ready for reanimation. I think he could be better than The Scarab God, letting you dig better IMO. This as some potential, i would see Tier 2.5

High cost, nothing for combos, needs to connect with damage... Tier 5/4

Well, too slow to be an actual thing, but still has some great effects if it ever sticks around. Simply for that, Tier 4

I could see this used as a stax deck, forcing opponents to get rid of creatures, and if they dont have any, create fodders to break parity on stax effects. Small potential, better commanders available out there, but still a good Tier 3

The most competitive deck I would think about right now would be running some elves as mana dorks and many hatebears. The thing is... Why running this over Captain Sisay...? Still, I would say this is Tier 3

The best idea I had so far would be running this as an elfball commander to be able to fetch Umbral Mantleor Sword of the Parunsfrom the command zone. Easy Tier 3, even if better commanders for elfball in those colors are available (like Selvala, Explorer Returned).

Meh, I dont really like this one, I don't know what to say except he reminds me of Ludevic, Necro-Alchemist... Tier 4

Now, I don't know if you guyz are excited like me about this one, but I think it will end up pretty decent (At least Tier 2.5 for now). There are lots of good wizards that can abuse the ETB, like Archaeomancer to go infinite with High Tideand Snap, Snapcaster Mage, Dualcaster Mage + Demonic Tutorto get both Ghostly Flicker and Essence Fluxand go infinite from there, Venser, Shaper Savant to combo with Paradox Engine or to simply be a big Boomerang, Azami, Lady of Scrollsherself could be in the deck... Many ways to abuse, many combos available I am pretty sure. Abusing spells like Ghostly Flickerand Essence Flux seems pretty good with this too.

This one will end up decent. There are lots of brews actually with this guy, from extra turns to control to Approach of the Second Sun, and I am sure we will end up with something good. Tier 2.5 for now.

Well... This is my favorite one from the set, so I am biased for sure, but I see a lot of potential in this guy as a storm commander (Tier 1) that could also be used as a 5c artifacts combo commander. Generating free mana is super important for storm, and the fact that he can be cast from fast mana is simply nuts. We are not even obligated to play him as a 5c commander, we simply need to cast 5 mono-colored spells to generate 10 mana and continue storming, which is I think pretty strong. This one will end up being the most powerful (alongside with Kess) from the precons I think.

Thoughts? Those are my comments on the spoiled legends, but I would like to know what you guyz think about the placements I have done. I am pretty happy to see all those new cards. Probably not as a big impact as last year's commander decks, but some pretty powerful commanders for sure. Tagging you sonnet666.

Do we really need a new Kess build? It's likely going to look almost exactly the same as reversemermaid's list with a couple more instants and sorceries...

The only things I can even think to change are maybe adding Bubbling Muck and Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth to have another High Tide to flashback.

thegigibeast, I agree with all of those placements, except maybe Taigam, Sidisi's Hand. I'd put him in T3 until someone makes a deck that's good for T2.5. He's a 5 mana commander that doesn't combo with anything or generate card advantage really, so I don't think he should start out high before someone proves he's worth it.

A couple notes:

Waitora can combo with Breath of Fury on a token and a haste granter to give you infinite attack steps so long as your opponents have no creatures. Token/Stax is probably a viable archetype for her, with that as a wincon.

I don't think it's fair to evaluate Nazahn without posting his hammer:

Since he puts it onto the battlefield, and it attaches itself to something, having him as a commander is essentially like having a 6 mana Sigarda's Aid plus Darksteel Plate in the command zone. Still T3 I think, but pretty good for a "equipments matter" gameplan.

hey thegigibeast, thanks for saying my approach of the second sun idea could actually work as a strategy! i was starting to lose faith in the idea but if you mentioned it on he page then maybe it has some merit :p

should have prob left inalla to the professional wizard, Archwizard, but heres what I tried to get Inalla to do

wizard life

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Taigam doesn't work with approach of the second sun as rebound does not cast for your hand.

chaosumbreon87 Haha, I got a kick out of being called "the professional wizard". The only reason I'm holding off on creating a list for now is I wanna see all the wizards I have to work with before creating a deck.

Ramos is definitly not better than yidris or jelvala currently. I would place him at tier 1.5. He has a number of uses but storm is the most obvious.

My list is:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/dragon-engine-storm/

Overall I think the list is pretty solid but it is still a rough draft that I made when he was first leaked. Please let me know if you have suggestions for making it faster and more consistent.

Dragon Engine Storm My submission for Ramos, Dragon Engine

potatopotatopotato read taigam and approach again. Approach never gets sent to exile from rebound as part of the resolution is it sent to library. But the kicker is that its UNCOUNTERABLE. You just win with it unless someone can exile the spell on the stack, end your turn before you can play it, etc, and none of the cards that do that are worth playing in cEDH (summary dismissal, time stop, etc)

Approach of the Second Sun requires that you have cast it from your hand + that you have already cast it once during the game in order to auto win. Rebound is not cast from your hand... So you can get the second requirement which is to have cast the spell during the game but you can never auto win off a rebounded second sun.

I have been saying i would make a Reaper King stax deck for a long time now, and I finally made one. I would like recomend it as our Reaper King list and have it be evaluated for tiering as he is probably our best 5 color stax commander along with Tazri Stax. It's not quite Tymna and Tana, but it's not too far behind since blue gave us some fun tools. Here is the list: Fear the Stax of the Reaper.

My Glissa List

because im persistent and want my glissa list to replace the one currently in there

Noctem you don't win off of a rebounded second sun ever anyway, the card is incapable of rebounding. It's more likely you cast it uncounterable then mystical tutor to fetch it and a take an extra turn spell. The point is that he !removes counterplay from other decks and give you an easy way to re dig it.

Hotcake_Gotsyrup Exactly! and with the fast mana abundance in cEDH, a turn 3/4 second sun shouldnt be too hard, then dig/tutor for a turn 5/6 cast. I admit it can be slow, but at the same time you can run countermagic and stax to prevent someone else from comboing off on you. Dig Through Time is a bomb card in the deck im building because it literally draws you your second sun again, and U/W has plenty of tutors for this strategy to go off. Only problem im having is my lack of card knowledge so its not optimal yet

so first draft at approach turns for taigam. Here you go. Prob will need suggestions for tuning but I feel this is about tier 2.5 ready.

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Commander / EDH* chaosumbreon87

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Ok so viperfang4, your decklist is really cool. I have been brewing a 5c artifacts combo deck with Reaper King as my commander for so long and never thought about Food Chain (I don't know why but...)

I like your decklist a lot. Except for the manabase, it is a pretty easy to build cEDH deck, which is even more cool.

Reaper King for sure will move around if more people join us, but I am sure it could at least be moved to tier 2. I really like your list, and can't wait for a primer.

Oh and sorry if my comment seems strange, my gf forced me to drink while I was preparing sushis, that's why. Sushis where good BTW.

thegigibeast i am glad to hear you like it. The primer will take a bit of time and will include a campfire scare story about reaper king. As far as the deck goes, there is a little tuning left as can be seen by the maybeboard, but it feels good. If you want to express your specific concerns about the manabase in the deck comments, i would appreciate it.

Well that Reaper King list came out of nowhere! Nice job! I support moving him up, though jumping to Tier 1.5 seems fast. Tier 2 would be safer, then we can move him up further as we get news of how he performs.

welp mairsil is done. holy crap shes nice. lots of hidden gems. I'm still trying to figure out how spellskite interacts with her so arcum will be a placeholder. here you go

my commander is grim monolith

Commander / EDH* chaosumbreon87

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I'm on board with moving Reaper King to T2.

n0bunga, I just think we should give reversemermaid the opportunity to update his deck for Kess first if he wants to. Especially since the new example deck for Jeleva would be best as something other than Grixis Storm, since continuing to use her as a placeholder now would be a misrepresentation of her as a commander.

MillionLittleE, You deck is more optimized that the one we have up for sure, although I do have some suggestions and might hit up your comment section later.

I'll switch your's in. However, would you mind writing a bit more in your description? The reason I went with the deck we have up is it has a really good stax primer in the description, and it would be sad to lose that without replacing it with anything. You don't have to write an essay or anything, but a closer look at how the deck runs would be helpful.

Mairsil is a girls name though, and I honestly can't tell from the art.

Is there a lore section out on the commanders yet?

Oh hey I got batsignaled and I'm here to tell you that all of you are terrible at Grixis Storm and MtG in general. Calling Jeleva a placeholder commander is just straight up incorrect. Seeing 16 cards and getting to cast one of them for free is incredible value, and depending on the matchups Jeleva wins games by herself. Jeleva is card advantage early game and wins storm mirrors which is super relevant while Kess is more of a grindy card that becomes online lategame. In fast combo matchups Jelva will continue to be the queen of storm, but if you often find yourself playing in 3 player games or against decks with no good Jeleva hits (Yisan, Selvala, some versions of Hulk, Tana-Tymna or other bear decks) Kess is the better one.

It's meta dependant, but people who call Kess straight up better have probably never resolved Jeleva in their life. If you don't care about other possibly perceiving you as a sleazy metagaming and rules lawyering cunt the correct play is to keep both in your deckbox, know your meta and choose your commander accordingly. Playing against "the stax guy"? Play Kess. Coast is clear no guy known to play bear decks in sight? Keep jamming Jelebae.

The largest appeal to Kess is Tide > Tide or Muck > Muck imo. I don't play storm in edh but I did for years in modern and dabbled in legacy for a year or so and the issue was either card draw or ramp. The fact that Kess gives you the opportunity to have either twice without relying on combat is amazing. It also is uninterruptible if you play her then immediately put the spell you want to flashback on the stack. That way someone can't remove her and stop you from flashbacking.

Jeleva you dont pay for spell (better on storm turn). The high tide appeal is certainly something to consider though. I think Jelly and Kess pilot different decks or the same deck for different situations. It isn't a strict improvement although Kess is better overall

Guys how is this even an argument. We've said time and time again jeleva is the most relevant PLACEHOLDER, and finally a better card comes and you hate to see her go. Kess is literally a little yawgy every turn and you guys still think jeleva can compete? She can reuse yawgy and past in flames cheaper with her ability too. Don't be biased just because jeleva is a long-standing holder of her spot, she is basically a draw spell to get you back in the game, which kess can be too.