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Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge
Legendary Creature — Vampire Wizard
When Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge enters the battlefield, each player exiles the top X cards from his or her library, where X is the amount of mana spent to cast Jeleva.
Whenever Jeleva attacks, you may cast an instant or sorcery card exiled with it without paying its mana cost.
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Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge Discussion
6 days ago
Regardless of stack ordering.
Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge 's ability says that "X is the amount of mana spent to cast Jeleva." In Magic terms, the inclusion of Jeleva's name here means "X is the amount of mana spent to cast [this particular game object]."
Each token copy will contain a copy of this ability, but the "Jeleva" they are each referring to is themselves. You don't spend any mana to cast the copies at all, because you don't cast them, you simply create them and they enter the battlefield. Since you spent no mana to cast them, X will be zero.
The order of the stack doesn't affect things at all in this case.
6 days ago
So with Mirror March in play and Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge etb for x as 10, do the tokens also register x being 10 before the legend rule kicks in? Or would it depend upon how the stack is ordered that the tokens register x at all, as it's in Jeleva's text box?
1 week ago
Hi again realsoupersand,
Had to fly out to Ottawa, ON in Canada for a bit, so back in action.
50% of the time, I win with my primary win-con, which is Buried Alive + Reanimate , generally between T1-4 depending on how much tutoring and mana ramps I have available. It's CMC4, which happens on T1 occassionally, T2/T3 more realistically.
Karmic Guide is a critical component of that combo, also, yes she is playable with Kaalia of the Vast . Also enables Razaketh, the Foulblooded from the graveyard, and provides for sac/tutor. It's usually never a dead draw, and at CMC5 is still playable from hand, on occasion if the game is going on, and the Protection: with Flying also has assisted occasionally. Other than her obvious CMC as just a recursion tool, she's generally been good, and a requirement for the primary win-con.
Angel of Despair is just a Vindicate for CMC7, its ridiculous and only 5/5 flying. However, it's what I ALWAYS Tainted Pact to when Show and Tell + Omniscience , unless they have Leyline of Anticipation it's "usually" good enough. I can tutor Anguished Unmaking , however, I have to give priority up with an Omniscience on the table, so it's far too late by then. Can also destroy other random threats if needed too. She's borderline for sure. Red Elemental Blast is too slow in this case.
Angelic Arbiter was answering the Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge but now it's always Kess, Dissident Mage . Also for Tooth and Nail type encounters (eg: Craterhoof Behemoth ) or any type of haste/recursion. All together stops a few. I usually just put 1 response to any situation, because I just tutor the exclusive solution needed.
Avacyn, Angel of Hope protects against MLD type situations, but she's not difficult to remove anyway, everyone's removal deals with her no problem. If she buys me an extra turn though, it's worth it. Can also put a player on a turn timer or make them act before prepared (no Force of Will for example), sometimes... Not the strongest for sure. Or like a The Gitrog Monster looping destroy maybe...
Balefire Dragon is again, just to solve specific issues or eliminate high value ground targets. Like the others, Tainted Pact to hand whenever, a situation calls for it. I tried to cut back on creature controls (ex: Damnation ) just because its not a creature world, but often creatures can be enablers.
Baneslayer Angel cut, served no purpose other than lifelink for the Hatred but the CMC5 was too much, and only removed a single opponent. Serra Ascendant T1 "usually" puts enough pressure on 1 player (usually )), who is now on a turn timer, spending life for tutoring becomes harder, and sometimes waste time removing it. Statistically found, I was usually nearly 1 turn earlier to win with Serra Ascendant , plus overcharges me for an early Necropotence or Razaketh, the Foulblooded win or Doom Whisperer win.
Phyrexian Arena is tough, high CMC, no return. It still the second highest played card in commander, and I don't know how else to draw? Mardu is a drawing nightmare. Have to think on it, how to deal with it but agreed, same issue is with Bloodgift Demon . I've had Skyline Despot recommended has a same turn impact (draw at EOT), but also, might be ramping oppponents draw too, especially if I have no way to reconnect on attack as Skyline Despot doesn't have trample.
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight has the added benefit of removing 1-damage win-cons like Impact Tremors , Blasting Station , Goblin Bombardment , Dragon Tempest (with 1 dragon), Etc... Also puts pressure on. Usually just for a specific application though. I think my interaction package is more similar to a Thoughtseize type application, where if I can't win early, I tutor what I need to address the specific threats, instead of using Instant spell to do them? If that makes sense. Gisela, the Broken Blade i've cut.
Hellkite Tyrant was specifically answering an almost consistent Breya, Etherium Shaper deck. It's been a while since C16 set now, so definitely seeing it less and less. Might help with Teferi, Temporal Archmage or Urza, Lord High Artificer on occasion. It wasn't enough on it's own though, it also needed a Linvala, Keeper of Silence to go with it. Prior to this, I had nothing to compete with Breya, Etherium Shaper , had no way to win.
Lyra Dawnbringer is on my cut list now, might become the Sire Of Insanity or something like that. Mother of Runes works good with Master of Cruelties , also can protect Kaalia of the Vast , makes guys like Balefire Dragon unblockable too, or protects a Razaketh, the Foulblooded and becomes Tutor mana, or blocks an early Infect attack. Slow yes, but has some utility. Also can protect my Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker or Worldgorger Dragon causing me to win (instead of lose). It's borderline for sure, have to think about it. Aven Mindcensor feels good, looking for a way to include him as well as the Sire Of Insanity .
Steel Hellkite I tried for over a year, I would either, not be able to connect (no trample), or when I did, not enough mana to get the threat that I really needed to remove. I gave up on Steel Hellkite , also needs a Mother of Runes for support.
Ancient Tomb is back in, can't recall why I removed it. Think it screwed me one game with the colorless, but now that I've removed most of the colorless, it makes sense. Prismatic Vista isn't great, only 2 basics (can put in the snow's but for why), I like that it filters a land out (lower probability of drawing a land), but also destroys my mana-fixing as well, so agreed, unnecessary in this build, but feels weird.
I'm probably going to continue reducing CMC and reducing land counts as you've recommended, but needs some expensive 0-CMC rocks which I don't have, or some resource planning around alt. mana sources.
Overall goal is still to build for cEDH, understanding that consistency isn't going to push into more than a Tier-2.5/3 categorization, so I'll go over High Power again later lol.
Thinking about Interaction, I really don't want to go heavy into that with things like, Dismember or Lightning Bolt would rather let the opponents use their removal, and PRAY that I can sneak through a combo. If I combo T1 it has a fairly high success rate (other than a Pact of Negation which eliminated themselves) usually don't get stopped (Odd Force of Will or Swords to Plowshares here and there), T2 is still decently good, often others are still tutoring for a T3 win, but outside of T3 or beyond, usually I need to wait until someone tries to combo, and then is stopped, before I have a chance. I just go for it whenever I can though, increases winning % over trying to strategically go for it and being too late.
I think perhaps Red Elemental Blast or Pyroblast or both perhaps will be handy, Silence I wish it had Split Second (like Teferi's Protection ) because most combos don't have a "sorcery" speed interaction so doesn't stop. Can protect me on the turn I'm going for it like another Grand Abolisher but outside of that not highly useful. Will do some playtesting with it and see if it improves my completion % for combo and increases my combo win % because that's all that matters.
I decided not to go MLD, can Stax/MLD certainly is a strategy, but prefer just to ignore others, and just go for the win myself, win or lose. Plus I don't repopulate my hand nor ramp, so probably just slowing myself down instead of the opponents. Plus I don't have a Ravages of War so would require a financial commitment, would rather focus on finding a way to go for the win on T1-T3 more consistently.
I think if you found Kaalia of the Vast wasn't competitive using MLD before you dissolved that strategy, don't think it's the right course to go down either. Would rather try some out-of-the-box planning, and see if we can get her into a cEDH, which your comments are VERY helpful, and VERY appreciated. Think I've made some decent strides, still waiting for my card order to come in the mail so I can make some more cuts/adds to the deck!
I'll reply on high power shortly since it's lower priority, and hopefully you'll see my deck going in a stronger direction. Pushing that T1 probability up is key. I keep thinking there must be a T1 with Entomb and Goryo's Vengeance that I can do somehow? Razaketh, the Foulblooded would need another enabler, but there must be someone (like Griselbrand aka Griselbanned) to win with? Hmm.
1 month ago
(CAUTION: A Huge List of CMDRS dead ahead. If you can't comply, remember that I apologized for the huge wall.)
Well, I was just told how to do a Folder, but to choose what for decks is another thing entirely. Especially if such decks are either:
A: What Everyone Plays B: Are good, but have since been outdated by a year C: Are Tribal Leaders in a Specific Sense (No Morophon, the Boundless please.) D: Not Underdog CMDRs. E: Other.
Let's Just assume we use that cEDH Deck Tier List One-by-One; but w/ a new rule for Playtesting such decks so none of the cEDH Decks win out of overall ratios ~100% of the time; CHANNELFIREBALL-style. That said, From using the Tier List, I require the following CMDR Decks to not have cEDH Level Power, but are these:
The First Sliver (Not as a Sliver Tribe Leader)
Animar, Soul of Elements (Morph Decks not allowed.)
Baral, Chief of Compliance (Get your Counterspells Ready!)
General Tazri (Mandatory Ally Tribe Leader)
Scion of the Ur-Dragon (Possible Dragon Tribe Leader)
Tier 3: WIP
But, yeah, you get the picture, right? Since I can't find such decks on my own to put in such a folder for decks worth testing against your own. Rules are as follows though:
Each deck must not be of cEDH-level power; just imagine how much hell I'd have to playthrough against something just to beat a Thrasios/Tymna Partners deck just to have my claim on this notion nullified.
Decks must include CMDRs that are Popular, were Popular as well as Tribal Decks w/ Good Tribe Leaders (For example: The First Sliver & Sliver Queen do not fit this category where Sliver Overlord does fit the Sliver Tribe Leadership. Scion of the Ur-Dragon & The Ur-Dragon can both count as Dragon Tribe CMDRs. Atraxa, Praetors' Voice is actually a bad CMDR to use in Superfriends, but Shines in all Counter Life. Make good use of that instead of making a 4< Color Walkers Deck. The rulings go on...)
I know this is too much for now, but I'm making a folder for Playtesting w/ decks as everyone kept telling me to do so; now I want to hold my end of the Bargain. But I seriously need help from you to do this. If you can find any decks here to add to such a Folder, put it on the comments below.
(& no, It's not like it's a personal thing! Anyone is allowed to use it when it's finished!)
1 month ago
I'll start this trash w/ one rule: use as few creatures as possible, & try to find some cards that allow Elsha of the Infinite be more like Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge as close as possible. We already have some creatures reducing the cost, & having good effects for Nonperms; but we need as few as possible; I mean, we're not going to be able to use Proteus Staff in this case. Also: NO STORM CRAP! I already did that for Melek, Izzet Paragon , I just want to emulate another; more high tier CMDR anyway. Oh well, I hope this helps, & I apologize for any hate I'm about to enrage to fans of FROZEN (Series)...
1 month ago
Foreword: "There are no miracles in this world. There is only coincidence and necessity, and what people make of it."
- Yuu Himura; ef: A Tale of Memories
This is an anime I really wished I could actually watch long ago. Never again. Yuu-san is pretty much correct on this whole reality. I would've chose another quote for this, & should've, but I'll save it for Post-Throne of Eldraine release. After all, I'm mediocre compared to so many. What anime quote would you describe me the most? I'm actually intrigued... :D
Hot Seat [ˈhät ˌsēt] NOUN informal (The Hot Seat) Hotseat (noun) 1. The position of a person who carries full responsibility for something, including facing criticism or being answerable for decisions or actions. "It's been a bad week for the men in the hot seat" NORTH AMERICAN The electric chair.
(MTG Slang) 1. A group of MTG Cards placed in a section besides the Mainboard, or Sideboard used for what deserves a place in the Mainboard as a part of the deck in exchange for a cut from said board in question.
無限大虐殺の終焉の哀詩 (The Subname Kuso-Traslation is "The Dirge of the Finale of Infinite Genocide") (Note we use the Subject, Verb, Object rule (SVO), where the Nipponese swap both the Verb & Object to each other's initial position (SOV). This is the name for a Yarok, the Desecrated deck, but I seriously need help on the JP part; if any...)
(I apologize if I'm not being as concise as people want me to recently, but I'm not making multiple threads at one time; just so you can oppose me by not posting at all.)
Outside of some other decks in the works, I figured the best I can do is show what's still in the works; & explain to the best of my abilities what they need...
Commander / EDH*
SCORE: 1 | 6 COMMENTS | 137 VIEWS
Naya. There is only one rule. Carry even a Godsire killing weapon, & Naya kills you worse. these colors hate Equipment, even if it's a Wolf Mount. As Tana, the Bloodsower & Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder are partners at this idea, they WILL go Anti-Meta against the Naturally Appropriate. Epuipment is the prime part of this deck, though it somehow added the idea of Sap-Swarm in unintentionally. Though I still want this to be a full-fledged Equip-Matters Voltron deck as a whole. Though the Sap-Saccing might actually be useful...
Commander / EDH*
SCORE: 1 | 12 COMMENTS | 166 VIEWS
Pick on Mono- Burn as much as you wish. I want this deck to go on one speed; SoL (We got Heat Ray , which is a literal Laser, & Some card in MTG History that is Firearm Based, & isn't Australia and New Zealand based (PORTAL crap.)) This deck has only one option: Genocidal Burn. Using powerful Burn spells as well as powerful Copy Spells; & Mana Doublers among other things, to burn any to a crisp. Each Point of Damage even makes more mana for it's Commander: Neheb, the Eternal . A legitimate beast of a soldier, the more Burn you deal, the more mana you get to use even more. The only restriction I have for this deck is that I want it to break a Status Quo, superior deck archetypes pushed to a limit beyond theirs. Using cards that help w/ Sources, & even try & find some Draw-Go that was forced out of the deck. Any ideas for this is great. But I'd also like some other ideas for other Burn ideas. But just imagine a Minotaur burning you for blood sport. I wish you luck for what this deck needs; if Rummaging won't help, how about Artifact Draw? :)
Commander / EDH*
SCORE: 1 | 4 COMMENTS | 64 VIEWS
ONE WORD: Triskaidekaphobia . This deck needs one thing; 13 cards cut to the legitimate 100 card standard. If is correct about the Competitive Meter; stated that even at 100% Competitive is actually very weak, & that this is 79% Casual being a monster to deal with; something seems off with this notion; & it's not that I'm failing But even the senior staff doesn't seem to want to address this issue; but what does More Casual, More Competitive, & Feedback each suppose to do? Nobody answered this question ever since the first time I asked. But I digress. All this deck needs is 13 cards to cut. & an audience for what is still going wrong w/ the Meter. But I'm also going for Chainer, Nightmare Adept if nobody wants to help Ol' Xantcha. But if so, HOW to restrict access from Exile? After that, Triskaidekaphobia will die. Good Luck. ^_^
Commander / EDH*
SCORE: 1 | 1 COMMENT | 95 VIEWS
Even the Unknown needs help as well. Focusing on the Morph cards, as well as Morph abilities like Megamorph & Manifest (Are Manifest Morph Abilities?), this deck is made to make discounts as Morph Sides for free, & easily draw-go's like mad. W/ a lot of awesome Morphs in there, & support for the CMDR & the Morphs as well, even stuff like Krosan Grip can be countered for reason I forgot. (Really. I actually forgot. :/) Such H4X are literally at your potential; turning over Morphs for free, discounts to make Morph Cards cast , & is a beast of a deck when your opponents can't look underneath either. Such mercy from your opponents... But what would you keep to cut? What would you cut in general? What would you replace? How would you make this concept of a TRUE Morph CMDR Deck any better?
Commander / EDH*
(Get the sexual jokes out of your head; Brass will kill you if you have a joke that ISN'T of such idea (Booty? No friggen thanks.), & has her, & the Coalition to Systematically kill all MTG Staff for rejecting Firearms in MTG. (Uh, make a Spaghetti Western themed Plane of Existence already?! You have Red Dead Redemption 1 & 2, Clint Eastwood's works, Use a damn .357 Magnum in your stuff already!)
Yep, Pirate Tribal, but I'd like some improvements where Ol' Salty Brass was inept at achieving since the Ixalan Block; Even now. It seems when this is used, Pirates seem to benefit from Sheer Aggro; & can benefit from Explore effects, & Treasures. Revel in Riches is one wincon here, but this deck has several in mind, & has several H4X'd cards that can do stuff like Time Control Timestream Navigator , Pox Effects Dire Fleet Ravager , even the idea of Aggro meets Ramp makes me think; (WHAT THE HELL HAS EVERYONE HAVE AGAINST PIRATES!?) Raid & Explore Effects are great here, but the individual abilities of Pirates are where they shine.
Q&A: Why did you have to do a follow-up to something already existing?
Outside of "ADAM RUINS MTG", Yarok, Pashalik Mons Goblin Tribal, & a CMDR in Jeskai Colors that needs to be as close as Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge , Nobody wanted not to feign interest of this in the slightest; but I dunno why. Was I referencing crap again?
I included all 5 decks in hopes somebody knows MTG Slang, & sees what a Hotseat even is. Then start from there work on the next when able. Goal? To get all these decks reformed so I can get to my next two projects before I work on an "ADAM RUINS EVERYTHING" themed Vorthos/Melvin Deck based on actual problems w/ MTG as a whole. So why not call that deck "ADAM RUINS MTG". The question now is, What colors would fit Ol' Adam Conover? I-I dunno. I use 5 color as a base, & work my way there.
Also, a cEDH Boros Deck is still in the works, & I'd rather I have an actual Boros Player in the subformat help me out on that; Such people I was w/ before I doubt they were actual cEDH Players, but I'll work on the deck later on; eventually of course. I do have a list of stuff I could use though, but I want to try & finish some combos before going to make a list; Some cards though includes:
Eldrazi Displacer (Flickers CMC <=3 creatures for many kinds of Wincons)
Sun Titan (Can be Displaced Lecht & Rink to recur so much.)
Hellkite Tyrant (What? CMDR 2019 gave us a Pirate w/ huge Treasure Support!)
(I'll resume later.)
That said, I'll update this is oppose to making individual threads that overfill the forum topics w/ my name etched on it. If this isn't a good idea, I wish not to be right.
Thanks for the help, even though you didn't. Maybe this time you'll help?
2 months ago
BUMPING LIKE THE SUBLIMINAL MIND F--- JESKAI WAY!
After so many bumps, no response. Hailed so many...
Lieutenant Worf (This was before Deep Space 9, so he wasn't Lt. Commander yet.): No response.
I personally wonder where I went wrong so much. The problem w/ these decks aren't primarily that they're finished; rather, while they are at the 100 already, I see PLENTY of room for important; & some are already in the Maybeboard! That is where I put such cards for the deck I rejected awhile back before considering them again. Basically, if you still freaking dunno, let Oxford cross against your own fate:
Hot Seat [ˈhät ˌsēt]
NOUN informal (The Hot Seat) Hotseat (noun) 1. The position of a person who carries full responsibility for something, including facing criticism or being answerable for decisions or actions.
"it's been a bad week for the men in the hot seat"
- NORTH AMERICAN The electric chair.
This was used long ago in American Ninja Warrior Qualifyings, & Regional Finals. The Defendant's Chair is a HUGE example of this rule, especially in Rugrat's Drew Pickles who in one episode had a Nightterror (Drew calling this a Nightmare is INCORRECT for the following.) where he was in a Court Case where even his allies were all against him; yep, even his Lawyer; as if he had one. Finally, even the likes of Ultimates in Fighting Games sometimes have varying torture to the target in question. (Relius Clover... Piss off!)
If that's not enough to explain what I'm trying to do, how to write the damn thing? Make a follow up post for this w/o a single reference in the OP? I'm already planning a Sevinne, the Chronoclasm deck in the style of Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge w/ all those expensive to Hardcast stuff in the first place. While I've yet to plan out Yarok, the Desecrated , I already have a Deck Name for it: 無限大虐殺の終焉の哀詩 (The Subname Kuso-Traslation is "The Dirge of the Finale of Infinite Genocide")
We seem to follow the SVO concept (Subject, Verb, Object.). JP does SOV; so, what to do about this? 無限大虐殺 (Infinite Genocide) is the Subject, 終焉 (Finale/Demise/End) I guess is an Object? But what kind of Verb is 哀詩 (Elegy)? I suppose Oxford also stated...
A word used to describe an action, state, or occurrence, and forming the main part of the predicate of a sentence, such as hear, become, happen.
It'll take awhile before I can get it. Until then, I really need more help than before now. That said, I dunno about 's current status, but I'd still like some thoughts on something I have second thoughts of myself... Obviously it's on the post above. Until then, I might as well make a follow up, & rebuild my reputation from even one quark of an Atom from there. I really need to reduce my refeences to infinite nil; that's why my chain is broken; no, severed beyond belief. Well, best of luck... to all of us...
Oh, one last thing: I didn't know Verbs are Action/Status Terms, & Adjectives are describing terms; how stupid for a 26 yr. old would one have to be to know zilch about either? At least I have Kamigawa on my side. XP
2 months ago
Well, took the deck for a test run against a Grixis deck with Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge as the commander... some major points for improvement I found were, I need to replace some of my higher cmc cards with 2 and 3 drops. Also, I definitely need to add in more cards with 'exile target creature' and 'exile target artifact or enchantment'. It's off to a good start though!
Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.0%