I'll have you know I've beat several of the tier two or three generals with Zurgo, the bellstriker as my commander, I didn't cast him the whole game and just blitzed them down with goblins.... But it still happened!

The only effect I'm aware of that gets around tax like that is Rooftop Storm since it gives an alternate cost..

That doesn't either.

Hmm, thought it did. Meh disregard then.

NarejED What exactly about The Mimeoplasm makes it better as a reanimator General than Tasigur, the Golden Fang?

I've got to admit that Mimeo doesn't scream "I bring reanimation/recursion", whilst Tasigur, although not a reanimator in himself, he does provide graveyard set up, and recursion for cards in grave (this is multiplayer after all, and so long as you have one friend at the table, you get whatever you want).

Personally, I think The Mimeoplasm is better in the 99, as a reanimator target that is in the same vein as Duplicant/Clone but for graves.

Guftders: If you are using Tasigur's ability outside some emergency political play or as an infinite mana sink to win the game you are going about it all wrong for competitive EDH. His ability is horribly overcosted as an early game graveyard filler/recursion engine. Moreover, The Mimeoplasm literally is a reanimation spell. It is a one shot ability, true but that can be enough to win the game the turn you cast it. If you want to go reanimator both The Mimeoplasm and Sidisi, Brood Tyrant do that archetype way better. Running tasigur in that role is simply a bad fit for his abilities as he contributes nothing to the strategy except if your in top deck mode with no other options but to use his ability. Honestly bug reanimator could beat 70% of the generals on this list without ever casting its general (not exaggerating at all) so just because he works as a reanimator general doesn't mean he's suited to the task.

Lilbrudder Meh. Not feeling the plasm hype tbh, though he's definitely a contender for the 99. I've also tried the BUG Sidisi and felt her abilities were lacklustre.

And on the latter point, isn't that the point? Many good edh decks never cast their general. Jeleva storm for example. Your General is basically just a figurehead. Like, you can make a deck where it's the centrepiece (eg Nekusar, Nath of the Gilt Leaf or WB Daxos), but it's not essential.

I see I came to "the wrong neighbourhood" for this though (you come across a bit aggressively to me) so imma unsubscribe to the thread.

Sidisi is strong because of her synergy with dread return. Cast her, attack a few times, dread return using her zombies, good game (if done correctly.)

The reason that a lot of the main contributors to this thread come across as agressive is because they want the deck or strategy to be proven. Think of it like peer review for academic works. These people, as well as the people on the subreddit, want to make sure something is rigorously tested before having a definite decision about it. So, if someone comes along and says the contrary, they (we) may jump the gun a bit because there is a proven, established precident for the idea. Or, it could be because sometimes we are unnecessarily agressive, but generally these discussions stay cool. Also, it's good to note that when "competetive" EDH is talked about here, it is understood to be the highest level of optimization and competitiveness. If that's not what you're after, then this thread may not be what you're looking for.

Guftders: I apologize if I came across as agressive. Some decks do use thier commanders as placeholders, but I don't think that using a figurehead is the goal. If grixis storm had a different commander that facilitated easy victories then I think most competitive storm players would drop her in an instant. If you want to play renanimator with tasigur then go for it. I must have misinterpreted what you were trying to say. The impression I got was that you were planning on powering him out and self mill for 2 for the win.

Woot! Comment refresh! I feel like I can breathe again XD

thegigibeast is Purphoros, God of the Forge: A BURNING Sensation? a good list for the missing Purphoros list for tier 2?

Looking at it!!!

MagicalHacker, No offense, but I really don't think it is.

I've been a Purphoros player since I started playing commander, and I gotta say, you have a ton of lackluster cards on that list. To me it looks like a standard "pump out lots of tokens" build, which is standard, but not the most effective way to build Purphoros.

My deck is on my profile. It used to be an infinite combo build, but since then it's sort of streamlined into a mana-advantage / card advantage build that focuses on sacrificing tokens for value. It's not completely optimized, because it's a list of the actual, physical cards I play with, and I have a budget, but I could whip up an optimized version in a little bit.

Also, Zealous Conscripts + Kiki-Jiki / Splinter Twin is the absolute WORST combo you can put in a Purphoros deck, because there's nothing that tutors for either Zealous Conscripts OR Splinter Twin. It was one of the first things I cut from my deck when I first started playing.

The best combo for Purphoros is Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Lightning Crafter, because it's tutorable off of a single Goblin Matron, Goblin Recruiter, or Moggcatcher.

Edric is only tier 1 deck with missing list. Could this

Edric, Spymaster of Colgate

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Tusina, I'd feel a little better about it if Beastmaster Ascension wasn't the only wincon in the deck. I know you're drawing a ton, but it's still unreasonable to think you're going to get that every single game if you can't tutor for it in your colors. A deck that ran Craterhoof, Triumph of the Hordes, and Natural Order would seem more optimized to me.

Yeah I like it! I'll drop Zealous Conscripts, Splinter Twin, and Imperial Recruiter for Lightning Crafter, Goblin Matron, and Moggcatcher. I may end up dropping some of the cheaper token making spells for more draw and ramp. Other than that, what else do I need?

"Eventually" and "optimized" don't really go together well... Also that list is 145 cards.

Now that I'm looking they all of these pretty much look the same. The best win-cons seem to be Beastmaster, Triumph, Notorious Throng, Garruk Wildspeaker, and Biomass Mutation.

Anyway, you should try to avoid the one's with no rating, description, or sources.

Here are the top five rated of this site:

1. Edric and Tiny Thugs (Looks good, but is admittedly budget.)

2. Edric's rogue faeries (Seems solid.)

3. City by the Forest by the Sea (I don't know what's up with this one...)

4. Budget Edric, Spymaster of Trest - EDH / Commander (Too many dead cards and no counters.)

5. Tihs Dcek is Edriculous (This one's interesting, but probably not efficient enough)

And here's one that's a little out of date, but is from from a source I respect: Competitive Edric.

Anyone of these could do I guess? The second one I posted seems like the best choice. Or we could make our own?

Also, why are all these decks running Exploration but not Burgeoning? Seems like it would be great with all the extra lands in hand.

I dunno.... I think Marath can be a powerful tier one contender. My deck can win on turn 2 and just as easily go for the long game for the grindfest to follow.

Crafty Marath Ramp

sonnet666, sorry forgot to tag you, and I forgot to thank you too. So thank you!

Another small update, will post my Gaddock Teeg in a bit. I do own one and I know strategies of Teeg and how to build different styles. Give me a day and I'll have mine posted.

I play Exploration and not Burgeoning, because Exploration gives enough ramp for turn 2 Edric, Spymaster of Trest. When I'm drawing cards from Edric, I'm taking extra turns and Burgeoning doesn't help during own turns. When I'm not drawing cards from Edric. Exploration is still usually sufficient, because I don't have that many cards in hand.

Thalia, Heretic Cathar is missing.

kayakenobi: I apologize ahead of time if my post comes across as aggressive. I speak plainly and I mean no disrespect. On what turn does your deck win on average? Saying you can win on turn 2 is not justification for tier placement since since any mono black deck can win on turn one in theory. I have some reservations about your deck as a tier 1 competitor due to naya's limitations as a relatively weak color wedge although I agree marath is very powerful.

While your deck is certainly strong, I don't agree with some of your card choices. I don't think that your argument for not running Sol Ring or so many basics holds much water. The insane tempo advantage Sol Ring and Mana Crypt provide vastly outweighs their supposed weaknesses in 3 color decks. If you ran more non-basics you would almost never have mana fixing issues and would therefore be able to effectively Time Walk to turn 4 by turn two with both of these cards. No you can't cast your commander but a turn two Sneak Attack or Academy Rector can end the game in a hurry.

"I play Exploration and not Burgeoning, because Exploration gives enough ramp for turn 2 Edric, Spymaster of Trest."

But... So does Burgeoning... Your opponents aren't not going to play a land on their first turn.

I mean, the extra turn thing makes sense, but I still think the card would be useful.

MagicalHacker, Just look dude:

My Anvil is Ready... (Optimized Version)

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And Imperial Recruiter is not the card to cut. Honestly I think your whole sorcery sub-theme should just go. They're all one shot effects and the only thing really going for them is Charmbreaker Devils. Plus Dualcaster Mage combo is even less likely to happen than Kiki-Conscripts.

Be careful with Moggcatcher though. It can win the game all by its lonesome, so people quickly learn to kill it on sight.

I'm gonna go write a description for my deck.

Colgate, I'd put Thalia, Heretic Cathar is Tier 5, you?