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|Core Set 2020 (M20)||Common|
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|2012 Core Set (M12)||Common|
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Sorin's Thirst deals 2 damage to target creature and you gain 2 life.
Sorin's Thirst Discussion
Argy on Goblin Horde
1 month ago
ScionsStillLive I have no idea why you have asked those questions.
What are you actually trying to ask?
The constant supply of Menace creatures are difficult to deal with in the early game, with fewer Heroes blockers, and the late game when Heat Stroke and cards that buff Goblins with +1/+1 hit the field.
Krenko, Tin Street Kingpin to replace what?
How many copies?
Have you tested it?
Goblins like that don't stick around for long.
Better to have a Goblin that automatically puts a number of tokens on the field as it enters.
1 month ago
Realistically, I don't see Anowon, the Ruin Sage winning you many games - I just think it's going to be too low-impact to make that big of a difference, except in the limited situation that you're in a stalled board. That it gets past Cast Down is a non-issue-- Cast Down is a only used as a budget option in Modern, and one that isn't really worth building around. Again, Modern is a very brutal format, not exactly conductive to budget decks--you're not going to get into a stalled board-state very often, and should be focusing on plays that can quickly and decisively swing the game to your favour. For example, Champion of Dusk , which was previously suggested, refills your hand and will likely net you some additional Vamps or removal options.
However, if you do want to keep it, you should cut two copies of it. Most of the time, it's going to be a dead draw (too much mana or you already have one fielded). You'll want to minimize your chances of drawing into a second copy of it. You should also add something to replace it in your sideboard - it does close-to-nothing against any creatureless deck or any deck that can spam creatures quickly and thus always has fodder for sacrificing.
With regards to four-drops, I misspoke, and meant to say four plus drops. I'd still probably cut Vampire Outcasts - it's just not that exciting. You can get some better lifelink enablers (or more copies of Sorin, which would help your curve some).
Regarding Sorin's Thirst vs Fatal Push , There is a huge, huge difference between a card that costs and a card that costs . That alone makes Fatal Push an order of magnitude better than Thirst. You're also able to hit some commonly played cards, such as Thing in the Ice Flip, the Batterskull germ, a boosted Monastery Swiftspear , and some other threats with a CMC of two or less. Used post-combat, when you set up a creature to die while blocking, you can ambush a large portion of the larger threats in the game. The lifegain I just don't see as important enough to make a difference, even with some synergies.
1 month ago
I agree that the mana curve is too high. While I was doing my testing last night I realized I was getting overwhelmed by the time I could get out my five-drops. I'm still doing testing on Sanguine Bond , and we'll see if it's necessary or not. Anowon, the Ruin Sage is a hefty blow though. Not only is it immune to such cards as Cast Down , it breaks any kind of stalemate and even when you're behind it wrecks your opponent's ability to build up creatures.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by my four-drops since my only 4 CMC cards are Vampire Outcasts (which, granted, isn't that great but combos with other cards), and Sorin, Solemn Visitor , who is superb.
As for my mana, the lands I have listed were a guess as to what I have in the deck. I've now updated that. I get what you mean about Forsaken Sanctuary , and it's probably the most useless non-basic land in the deck (possibly excepting Vault of the Archangel . However, I almost always have mana options in my starting hand, and I plan my land usage to put out lands that come in tapped on turns when I wouldn't be using that extra land anyway.
The value in Sorin's Thirst is two-fold. First, it gets rid of some smaller creatures (or finishes off larger ones), and really it'll kill about as many creatures as Fatal Push , but it also gives me two life which can combo with Sanguine Bond or Bloodthirsty Aerialist or... Well, you get the idea. I will add Cast Down though, thank you for the suggestion!
1 month ago
At the risk of sounding a bit rude, I don't think this has what it takes to be competitive in Modern, even considering it is a budget deck. Your deck currently has three major problems: (1) the mana base is unplayable in Modern; (2) your curve is way too high; and (3) a lack of viable interaction.
Let's talk about the mana base first. Lands that enter tapped effectively put you a turn behind and are, frankly, unplayable in Modern. We're talking about a format where games are often decided by turn 4--every single turn counts. I would promptly cut both Scoured Barrens and Forsaken Sanctuary and replace them with some combination of the budget-friendly lands of Caves of Koilos , Isolated Chapel , and Concealed Courtyard . That change alone should make for a drastic increase in your win-rate.
Next, let's talk about your curve. I think the following creatures are too low impact for how much they cost to cast:
Anowon, the Ruin Sage - This card just allows your opponents to sacrifice their worst creature. By the time you can cast Anowon, they almost certainty have something they can just pitch to the graveyard, so he is not really going to hinder your opponents any.
Then you also have a large number of four drops--more than you probably need. I think it would be helpful to remove most of those, and focus instead on cards that make a huge difference the turn they're dropped. As I said above, Modern is often known as the "turn 4 format" - your turn 4 plays need to be explosive and have a large impact on the game.
Unfortunately, a number of the better vampires in Modern are not budget friendly (such as the exceptional Bloodghast ). Still, here's some to consider:
- 4x Legion Lieutenant just gives a lot of value for two mana.
- 4x Dusk Legion Zealot is a decent budget card, since it replaces itself in your hand.
- 2x-3x Sanctum Seeker - this is solid, particularly if you add more cards that create vampire tokens. It does something the turn you play it, pinging your opponent for an additional 2-3+ life fairly easily.
I'd cut Sorin's Thirst and add Cast Down instead as a budget removal spell. It's going to hit most of what you want to kill and is a whole lot easier to hit in two colours than . 4x Fatal Push would be a strong upgrade, as it is one of the best removal spells in the game. Fatal Push has dropped in price some since it left Standard, so you might be able to pick up some relatively inexpensively. Eventually you'll want Path to Exile , but that's not the most budget-friendly card.
1 month ago
Alright, let's get down to it! Anje Falkenrath is relatively new and I'm not yet sold on her validity as a vampire commander. My primary hang up is the overall weakness of madness as a mechanic. It is still critically underrepresented on cards, and of those that do exist only a handful are actually any good. I'm not saying it can't be done, just that I am skeptical that it can compete with existing vampire archetypes.
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I try and avoid tap lands at all costs if possible. When running a low-to-the-ground deck like this, the loss of tempo from a tap land can be more damaging than the loss of color availability. In addition, I would discourage the use of artifact lands unless you are going for a specific artifact theme. This is simply because artifact lands are easier to destroy than regular lands and aren't worth the risk with literally no benefit in this particular list.
- Ancient Ziggurat
- Blood Crypt
- Bloodstained Mire
- Graven Cairns
- Luxury Suite
- Path of Ancestry
- Unclaimed Territory
- Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
I feel that any of these lands would be strong adds to your list. While some of the cards are a bit on the pricey side, I do feel they would improve the flow and power level of the deck.
- Bloodcrazed Neonate
- Bloodhall Priest
- Bloodsworn Steward
- Erdwal Ripper
- Falkenrath Reaver
- Heir of Falkenrath Flip
- Incorrigible Youths
- Markov Crusader
- Stromkirk Mentor
Many of these creatures are either too costly or too under-powered for this format. It is important to remember that in EDH, efficiency is key. I would discourage playing any creature that falls short of the formula (Power+Toughness)/2=Converted Mana Cost (e.g. A 2/2 for two mana or better) unless it is especially crucial for your deck to function.
In addition impact is crucial. Bloodhall Priest for example is fairly costed, but doesn't do enough to advance your board state for the cost.
- Champion of Dusk
- Cordial Vampire
- Dusk Legion Zealot
- Malakir Bloodwitch
- Stromkirk Occultist
- Twilight Prophet
- Vicious Conquistador
These creatures are all what I would describe as impactful or highly efficient. When I mean impactful, cards like Malakir Bloodwitch make a big splash when they hit and are still relevant after the fact due to their efficient bodies. In terms of efficiency, Vicious Conquistador can put in a lot of work in the early game as a cheap, go-wide card.
I don't have any good tips for adds here, but I would encourage you to look for modal or mass effect type cards for this category.
These all seem like good choices to me and many of them double as potential madness triggers essentially negating their downsides.
Basilisk Collar is a solid equipment, but this is neither a voltron nor combo build that can effectively utilize it. I like Eldrazi Monument for its power; however, you lack the ability to produce enough fodder to sustain it long-term. Finally, Rakdos Cluestone is simply outclassed by other mana rocks, most notably my suggestion Talisman of Indulgence .
Herald's Horn is just a good card in any tribal deck and I would highly recommend it!
My overall impression is that you've got a decent base here, but have made several choices that I see a lot of new EDH players make in their early decks. In general, you could use more card draw and I would encourage you to take a look at EDHREC or other vampire decks on here for inspiration in terms of what kinds of effects truly shine in EDH versus other formats.
2 months ago
Well Colinmjoyce, first off naturally, I've been meaning to replace the Guildgates with the lifegain lands, as those are a straight upgrade, although they are less thematically pleasing. (Let me run and do that real quick. updates deck)
Honestly I am more interested in rotation than M20.
I have been looking through the M20 cards, but, while there are some great new tools, especially for the sideboard, I have not noticed anything pressingly good enough to switch in immediately, the deck is still nicely optimized as is. I have mostly decided to wait until rotation does happen, and then reexamine the deck as a whole. If we do not get Hero's Downfall or something similar in the next set, I don't know if the deck will be viable. It is already jank, but a very effective and finely tuned jank. There are so many planeswalkers right now that losing an instant-speed card that can either answer them or a creature may be too much to recover from. Detection Tower will perhaps be sorely missed as well, but what virtually the entirety of Mono-Blue Tempo rotating, as well as Carnage Tyrant ... it may not be needed. Duress being reprinted was very good. Memorial to War won't really be needed with Search for Azcanta Flip and Legion's Landing Flip rotating out. Dragonskull Summit will be missed, the new scry lands are slower and may make it harder to survive against mono-colored aggro. I have yet to see Lightning Strike reprinted, but that can easily be replaced with some cool new card, or even another Shock , really. The Immortal Sun , although not used often, was always real nice when it resolved and stayed, pretty much locking down the game, so it will be a shame to see it go. Perhaps there will be something suitable in the next set to replace it. Or we can just add Toll of the Invasion , more Angrath's Rampage s, or whatever. Even throwing in a Murder wouldn't hurt. For the moment, I'm good. The deck is still in a good place, and when rotation happens, most of the deck will stay in, from Lava Coil to Drill Bit to Theater of Horrors to Ritual of Soot . (And, especially with Adanto Vanguard rotating out, Moment of Craving can just be replaced with Sorin's Thirst , so even the sideboard is only losing two cards, Fountain of Renewal and The Immortal Sun . Although if Red Aggro goes more midrange after rotation, then I might not replace it with Sorin's Thirst , but rather with some sort of anti-Red card.)
Some good things will come with rotation as well, like Cleansing Nova rotating. Doesn't matter too much, what with Despark and Mortify still being a thing, but at least we will no longer lose Captive Audience , Theater of Horrors , Ill-Gotten Inheritance , and The Immortal Sun all in one go. (Nor will we have an Immortal Sun to lose, either.)
So yeah. M20 didn't really do much for us.
Rotation is likely to help more than hurt, but the exile and lifegain from Vraska's Contempt will be dearly missed.
2 months ago
3 months ago
Well, here's what I would do:
-all 15 creatures
+4 Fatal Push
+4 Rune Snag
+1 Mana Leak
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