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Slippery Bogle Discussion
1 month ago
I agree with 1empyrean about the keyword soup stuff. It may seem intuitive, since there's a lot of keywords amongst the mutate creatures, but it's a secondary theme that's taking up space for cards that better help the deck.
I disagree, though, that your commander should necessarily always be the target of the mutate pile. It's a good strategy to do so, but not the only course of action that could be beneficial in the course of any given game. As such, I believe it's a good thing to include other strong candidates for mutation.
To that end, I also agree that Mysterious Egg is not a great base for a pile. Some of my favorites, though, are Adanto Vanguard, Gladecover Scout, Troll Ascetic, and Gruul Spellbreaker (also, Slippery Bogle, but you're not playing blue).
Now, in case you start your pile on one of these guys, but then later wish you had started with your commander, you could include some cards that bounce the pile to your hand. Obviously, and unfortunately, blue is the best color for doing this. However, black has ninjas! Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni, Throat Slitter, Azra Smokeshaper and Skullsnatcher are all good options for that. Also, Dust Elemental is a lot better for a mutate deck than it might seem.
That's all I got, but this comment is too long as it is. Cheers!
3 months ago
A creature with Hexproof can't be the target of spells and abilities controlled by the opponents of that creature's controller. In other words, my Slippery Bogle can't be the target of your spells/abilities. However, Plax says that the enchanted creature can't be the target of spells/abilities that your opponents control. So, a creature enchanted with Plax can't be the target of spells/abilities controlled by the opponents of Plax's controller. In other words, if you enchant my Bear Cub with Shielding Plax, I can't target it with Giant Growth, but you can still Murder it.
TL;DR, Plax doesn't give Hexproof because you can still target the enchanted creature even if you don't control that creature.
Hope this helps!!
3 months ago
I would consider using maybe Sram, Senior Edificer or Season of Growth instead of the Satyr Enchanter I would also recommend Slippery Bogle because it functions the same as the gladecover scouts, maybe take out Fleecemane Lion? seems a bit slow.
3 months ago
Mutate is a really interesting mechanic that I expect to find a place in modern, even if it never reaches tier 1. Modern already has some wild 1 drops, and attaching, say Parcelbeast to a Steppe Lynx can start looking cool- its just a question of the right combination being found to power the deck.
I'd focus on low cost mutate cards, 1 drops to mutate them on that either protect a powerful mutate effect or multiply it, and mana dorks as backup mutate targets.
Auspicious Starrix will likely win you the game if your opponent cannot remove it. Gemrazer to back that up will offer a lot of blowout potential. Most of the lower tier mutate creatures could work with the right synergy picks in the rest of the list.
In terms of 1 drops to examine, Glistener Elf and Slippery Bogle for efficient voltron, as well as less conventional voltron like Spikeshot Elder or Vector Asp, Young Wolf returns all its creatures seperated to the battlefield with +1+1 counters, Blistercoil Weird and legendary spell recursion point to a jeskai spellslinger, Signal Pest+ a white go wide list, Arcbound Worker/Servant of the Scale/Simic Initiate/Hardened Scales and +1+1 counters could get pretty out of hand.
Hedron Crab land drop mill is a cute option, Permeating Mass will make people call for the judge, but isn't actually any good. Some +1+1 counter synergies will likely let you abuse some mechanics like Devoted Druid's untap, if you can find the combination.
Keyword piles like Banehound Healer's Hawk, abilities like Figure of Destiny or 'conditional' P/T boosts like Scute Mob could make for a decent beatstick if you can spend two cards on it - Gnarlwood Dryad, Toolcraft Exemplar Wild Nacatl, Loam Lion could all find places in some lists,as they are already efficient and pushing them out of kill range for lightning bolt/anger of the gods may be relevant.
Mortician Beetle with the bat strapped to it is a great casual clock.
None of these are crazy effecient, but building a list of sixty cards that all sorta work together is the heart of brews like this.
All told though, its a bit of a mess where the best bet is to pick two colours with 2/3 mana mutates, and throw them on creatures which protect them while hunting for stirix. Trying to stretch into more colours will pressure a budget manabase very hard. Keeping to mostly green with basic searching to fix for a second colour will ease that process a lot- especially with dorks like Avacyn's Pilgrim or Elves of Deep Shadow.
4 months ago
Hey, nice upgrades for the precon.
There's several cards that are in the sideboard that are better than cards in the main deck specifically the hexproof creatures. Mutate is very problematic in multiplayer Commander because there's at least three other players who can have removal for the mutate creature. If you're not mutating a hexproof creature then removal options from three or more different players is too much of a problem. Mutating turn four like what you want to do is too risky if you're not mutating a hexproof creature.
The combination of hexproof and regenerate is very good with mutate. Protection from first being able to mutate, then after from targeted removal, then also from most board wipes and combat. Constable, Needle and Selkie are powerful if they connect with an opponent when mutated, but using them as the creature to mutate too for turn four is risky without also having protection.
Some changes to consider:
- Slippery Bogle > Hungering Hydra
- Silhana Ledgewalker > Ilysian Caryatid
- Troll Ascetic > Butcher Ghoul
- Thrun, the Last Troll > Pouncing Shoreshark
- Crystal Shard > Ram Through
- Jarad's Orders > Frontier Siege
- Nature's Lore > Rampant Growth
- Exotic Orchard > Vivid Grove
- Yavimaya Coast > Thornwood Falls
- Woodland Cemetery > Jungle Hollow
Good luck with your deck.
4 months ago
Firstly. Thank you for your in depth and amazing comment, it's really helped me decide on some cards to add to this deck. I have a big problem with know what cards to remove, if you could help me decide on what to take out for what, that would be super helpful!
As for the hexproof creatures. They make a lot of sense, I really like Silhana Ledgewalker and Elusive Tormentor Flip as the ability to sort of be unblockable or literally be unblockable is amazing. Troll Ascetic is another amazing shout. These 3 are definite add's for this deck. I'm not too sure about Paradise Druid as being tapped to attack could spell an easy removal target depending on board states. Slippery Bogle and Gladecover Scout seem good, but only for the Hexproof. I may give them a try but I may not keep them in the finished product. However, thank you for bringing them to my attention!
I will definitely be obtaining another Wonder for this deck as that seems like a perfect addition. Mask of Memory seems really good for the card draw too, however the Discard clause tends to put me off. I'll definitely play test with it and see how it suits me though.
Boneyard Lurker is in the deck, Alt art too haha. Gemrazer is sadly a card I didn't manage to pull, so i've purchased one. Waiting on it to be delivered, it is an amazing card. Sea-Dasher Octopus was a card I wasn't too sure about adding to the deck, I'll swap it in for a higher cmc Mutate creature though, when I decide which haha.
Yeah, the Mana base needs heavy work, but I tend to leave that until a little later, I would happily accept some help into improving the Mana base! I'm never really sure of how to make a Mana base better personally.
Thank you so much! :)
4 months ago
Hey, you really want hexproof with the creatures you want to mutate too because this protects the creature from removal in response or after mutating. It's pretty risky to chain a bunch of mutate creatures into the pile if the pile doesn't have hexproof. Without hexproof a single Swords to Plowshares by opponent will ruin your game and exile all the creatures in the mutate pile except Otrimi.
Swiftfoot Boots is a helpful equipment with mutate because then any creature can have hexproof before you mutate and keep hexproof for as long as Boots is equipped. When you mutate a creature who's equipped with Boots, Boots will stay on the creature during mutation and after.
- Slippery Bogle
- Gladecover Scout
- Silhana Ledgewalker: if opponent doesn't have a flying creature then the mutated creature can't be blocked by that opponent.
- Paradise Druid: has hexproof as long as it's untapped, good to mutate too while also using it as ramp before you want to mutate.
- Troll Ascetic: also has regeneration which can protect the mutated creature from nontargeted removal that can destroy it such as a board wipe or from legal combat damage. Combination of hexproof and regeneration is powerful projection for the mutated creature.
- Elusive Tormentor Flip: for Insidious Mist, mutate Otrimi with Mist for 6/6 unblockable, hexproof, indestructible, trample that doesn't flip back unless you want it too.
Crystal Shard can be repeatable creature bounce for one blue mana of the mutate pile. This effect lets you mutate the entire pile again, protect all the creatures in the pile from being exiled or destroyed, change which creature is first mutated with Otrimi, etc. Buried Alive and Jarad's Orders can tutor for creature and put into your graveyard. This is good to setup your graveyard to recur a mutate creature when Otrimi does combat damage to an opponent.
Orders can do both, tutor for a creature to mutate too and a put a creature into your graveyard. If Otrimi is part of the mutate pile then the creature will have trample which can make Mask of Memory a repeatable draw two/discard mutate creature/recur mutate creature effect. Wonder is good when you can tutor for it or discard it because giving the mutated creature flying is better evasion than trample. Wonder is good with Buried as one of the three creatures you can tutor for and put into your graveyard.
There's a few of the better budget creatures with mutate that are missing here:
- Sea-Dasher Octopus: mutate at instant speed with flash and for only two mana it's the lowest mutate mana cost, can be another source of repeatable draw when mutated creature has evasion.
- Gemrazer: destroy an artifact or enchantment.
- Boneyard Lurker: recur any permanent.
One of the worst parts of the precon is the manabase, which is not good with 11x Forests and 2x Island ratio. If you would like help with improving the manabase then I offer help in another comment.
Good luck with your deck.
4 months ago
Slippery Bogle would be a great addition to your deck