Flippin' 'em the bird. What WON'T you miss?
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Posted on May 30, 2014, 12:30 p.m. by zandl
Okay, I know rotation's not for another 4 months and we still have a Core Set to get through (yaaay I guess), but what will you be glad to never have to play against again in Standard?
Personally, I hate Burning-Tree Emissary , Firefist Striker , Boros Charm , Voice of Resurgence , Lifebane Zombie , and Garruk, Caller of Beasts .
Lastly, I'm very happy to see 80% of MBD rotate out, making the deck unplayable.
miracleHat says... #3
I mean like, i won't be missing Wake the Reflections . that card was garbage, i mean seriously... !!!!!!!!!
More seriously, i will be very happy not to deal with Unflinching Courage .
May 30, 2014 12:35 p.m.
I won't miss Supreme Verdict or Detention Sphere . Not one bit.
May 30, 2014 12:36 p.m.
Yeeaah. As much as I love jamming Sphinx-Rev, it's spoiling control players. Everyone seems to think that control will be unplayable if we don't have a new "draw X" spell when, in reality, control rarely uses them. Anytime somebody says we need a new "draw X", I laugh because I know that person didn't play Magic before Sphinx-Rev.
Garruk, Caller of Beasts can come down turn-2 with the god-hand or somewhat more reliably on turn-3 with a good hand. If I'm going second and don't have a Syncopate in my hand, how the hell am I suppose to even stop that, let alone win the game? Might as well play Yugioh.
May 30, 2014 12:37 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #6
Oh, you're playing RDW? Have a Worldspine Wurm turn 3 as I refill my hand turn 4.
Garruk has caused me so much grief in the last year, it's not even funny. I'm just glad that we didn't have to put up with a year of his -3 saying "Put target Craterhoof Behemoth into play.
May 30, 2014 12:40 p.m.
miracleHat says... #7
I honestly have never figured out why sphinx's rector is that good. I have to spend 7 mana to draw only 4 cards and only four life. Hell, if i have 7 mana with a control deck and i am against aggro, then i have already won. If i have prolonged the game to where i can spend seven mana, then there is something wrong with the aggro deck. I almost died when somebody asked me what would control be like without sphinx's rev. After shooting myself and him, i introduced him to a Psychatog control deck.
May 30, 2014 12:41 p.m.
miracleHat says... #9
I don't remember that, but hoofing turn 3-4 and winning sounds brutal.
May 30, 2014 12:44 p.m.
At its core, I find that Sphinx's power comes not from the amount of cards you can draw, but how it can save you and dig for answers at the same time. So many times I've cast Sphinx-Rev, I would've been dead on that attack but I gained enough life to hold on for another turn and drew 3 or 4 cards in the process. Then I untap and either deal with the board or have another Sphinx-Rev to save me again.
Of course, Sphinx for 6 doesn't hurt in the control mirror.
May 30, 2014 12:45 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #11
I've recently been using Sphinx's Revelation for 12, 13, and 14 + Psychic Spiral as a very reliable win condition, but that's about the only use I ever got out of it.
Though I probably shouldn't be shit-talking it until after this weekend, considering that I intend to play it in the scg open...
I <3 Rev Decks!
May 30, 2014 12:48 p.m.
Goodnight Mutavault . Sleep tight, you unwipeable sunofabitch.
May 30, 2014 12:51 p.m.
miracleHat says... #13
@Jp3ngu1nb0y, i am still holding a grudge at somebody for pulling two Mutavault s at a draft, 1 foil.
May 30, 2014 12:53 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #14
With Mutavault gone, I won't have to run Encroaching Wastes !
Wait, but by then Codex Shredder will have rotated out too... Shit. Codex Shredder in M15? Please?
May 30, 2014 12:56 p.m.
Trait Doctoring .... I don't want any chance of opening a Standard Legal pack and getting something as horrible as one of these. - Last pick rare in every Draft... even Guild Feud was picked earlier than this.
I had to limit the number of Dragon's Maze boosters I bought just to avoid this card.
Worst card of the Block, and it happened to use the worst Mechanic of the Block.
As for cards I hate playing against... none really... no card was so overpowering or annoying that I couldn't just play around it, or live with it's effects...
Even Supreme Verdict wasn't that bad... every Standard generally has a Board wipe... this one happened to be limited by being 2 colors, and uncountable... I feel those 2 parts off-set each other nicely. - And since board wipes are common, you can make a deck that works around them.
May 30, 2014 12:58 p.m.
Dalektable says... #17
Goodbye Mutavault , Supreme Verdict , Sphinx's Revelation . I won't miss you even in the slightest.
May 30, 2014 1:15 p.m.
People complaining about Supreme Verdict is the same as someone complaining the Mountain got reprinted. There's a board-wipe in every Standard season and when was the last time you were really going to counter one?
May 30, 2014 1:16 p.m.
KnightsBattlecry001 says... #19
I'll be glad to see Angel of Serenity go. When we had Innistrad block I hated having to deal with reanimator, and this card was in every deck. Glad to see it go. The other card I'm glad will be gone is Sphinx's Revelation . Be one attack away from winning. Dude plays sphinx rev, he gains like 7 life and I cuss for 5 minutes. Usually they have a board wipe like Supreme Verdict from the cards drawn or another rev.
May 30, 2014 1:33 p.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #20
I wont miss Mutavault . every game I have lost with my newly made Gods of Grixis (First at FNM) grixis control deck has been because of mutavault. That is surprisingly difficult to deal with.
May 30, 2014 2:03 p.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #21
I am going to miss the Sphinx's rev decks, though. not only do I like that play style, I also love playing against it. I haven't lost a game against a rev deck with my grixis deck
May 30, 2014 2:04 p.m.
The Doctor says... #22
Aside from that elf-hoof deck, what's really been so bad about Garruk?
May 30, 2014 3:26 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #23
Basically just the fact that green's only major drawback (running out of spells due to lack of card draw) becomes a moot issue, and any green deck can just overwhelm with tons of mana, tons of big creatures, and tons of card advantage. In the right deck, Garruk's +1 is Draw 3-5 cards. That's really really really really op.
May 30, 2014 3:28 p.m.
The Doctor says... #24
Oh damn. I wasn't even looking at his +1, cause people were complaining about the -3.
Yeah that shit's no fun.
May 30, 2014 3:29 p.m.
Green has the best setup for card advantage in Standard right now... without even using Garruk, Caller of Beasts
Courser of Kruphix and Eidolon of Blossoms gives you extra cards passively, and makes sure you are likely to get spells in hand, while not missing land-drops.
I predict Green/X is going to be the primary powerhouse going into the next rotation thanks to these cards.
May 30, 2014 3:34 p.m.
Good-bye AEtherling , bitchface. I used to love him, but now I hate him.
May 30, 2014 4:54 p.m.
Mainly, I just want to see Sphinx's Revelation go. Seriously, Stroke of Genius with a Stream of Life attached to it? Stroke of Genius was fucking banned and restricted at one point, but hey let's go ahead and make a new version. It has completely pushed other control decks out of the format. Why play Grixis or RUG when you can play U/W/x and have the best card in Standard?
May 30, 2014 5:12 p.m.
ChrisHansonBiomancin says... #30
I for one will miss Garruk, Caller of Beasts immensely due to the card advantage it gives to Green.
Anyways, I definitely won't miss the uncounterable wrath Supreme Verdict or the unkillable asshole AEtherling . The card that can really kiss my ass, though, is Maze's End .
May 30, 2014 5:36 p.m.
Im so glad that I wont have to deal with Mutavault and Master of Waves anymore.
May 31, 2014 10:37 p.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #32
Smaug1007: um....Master of Waves will still be in standard after rotation
May 31, 2014 10:43 p.m.
:P shows how little standard I play because of him and Mutavault
June 1, 2014 11:20 a.m.
Devotion decks are all taking huge hits except for Green, interestingly . I was looking at a lot of current lists and determining how viable they'll be post-rotation a few days ago. I know; we still have two sets to go through, but it can't be too far off.
U/W/x control: Loses the Azorius core package, but as long as a four-mana wipe is printed soon, it can and will survive without Rev. Banishing Light does the same thing as Detention Sphere 85% of the time. It does lose Jace AoT, too, but Kiora is a card and so is Divination even.
MBD and B/x midrange: Unplayable. They lose just about all their creatures save for Gary, just about all their removal save for Downfall, and the only thing really left is Thoughtseize . It loses Pack Rat, Desecration Demon, Devour Flesh, Ultimate Price, Nightveil Specter, Underworld Connections, Lifebane Zombie, Doom Blade, Blood Baron, Sin Collector, Abrupt Decay, Putrefy, Vraska, Golgari Charm, Dreadbore, Rakdos's Return, Slaughter Games, Mortars, etc.
MUB: Without the dorky 1-drops and 2-drops that were unplayable until Master of Waves came along, it's going to be tough. The creatures that would fill those slots are somehow even worse than mainboard Tidebinder Mage and the only thing the deck is actually retaining is Master, Thassa, and Bident.
G/R and Jund Monsters: Jund loses a lot more than G/R obviously, but both decks keep nearly the entire ramp package and the bombs, not to mention Xenagos, The Reveler (who is secretly the best Walker out of the three it used to play). This deck will be a real contender post-rotation.
Burn: Loses Chandra's Phoenix, Boros Charm, Warleader's Helix, Ash Zealot, Mutavault, Skullcrack, and Shock (if that somehow doesn't see a printing in M15). it's basically dead unless we get a ton of good burn spells soon and a creature to rival the Phoenix.
Aside from those, White/Boros Weenie and will probably be better, Green/Black Graveyard Things will probably be much stronger, and anything with Courser of Kruphix and Eidolon of Blossoms together will be tier-1.
Only exaggerating a little bit.
June 1, 2014 12:12 p.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #36
I don't play Standard very much, but when I did during RTR-Theros I would play some sort of Ghor-Clan Rampager deck (usually Naya midrange or aggro). I have six words that summarize my feelings about rotation, even though it's taking away some of my favorite Magic cards:
Fuck Sphinx's Revelation and Nightveil Specter . That is all.
June 1, 2014 9:25 p.m.
Lifebane Zombie . They've already got Thoughtseize which can disrupt up to five turns (much like 3x Demolish starting on turn 3 except....TS costs 1 and is played on turn 1). They don't need a zombie as well.
AEtherling because reasons.
Desecration Demon
This guy is a pain in the butt. If he had costed 5 mana i'd probably be ok with it. His "downside" is really only a downside if your playing against Black. In which case, still stfu because you both have access to a 6/6 flyer for four mana!
I would say Supreme Verdict
but the truth is i'm totally fine against it with multiple Golgari Charm
and Slaughter Games
. There is also Boros Charm
so I really don't see a need to be frustrated by this spell.
June 2, 2014 4:36 p.m.
Since it hasn't been named, on the off chance you find either of these casted or overloaded, Mizzium Mortars and Cyclonic Rift . Fuck you and fuck you.
June 4, 2014 8:50 a.m.
selesvyaloverer8 says... #39
I will never miss sphinx's rev and supreme verdict. My standard deck is boros heroic and those screw me every time.
Servo_Token says... #2
I'll be the second to say it: Fuck Garruk, Caller of Beasts .
I'm also very fond of the rotation of Sphinx's Revelation and Archangel of Thune .
May 30, 2014 12:32 p.m.