The Guardians of Thune (Selesnya Version)
Pioneer
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Beeg Update/Overhaul —Feb. 5, 2020
Thanks to the help of Esbilon, I have overhauled this deck.
Hexaflexagon says... #2
Hey Esbilon,
Thanks for your continued help and feedback on my two Pioneer decks, I really appreciate it. I also apologize for the late response, this is my first week in a new school. Yea I think I've found a better angle on my original deck, making it two colours definitely feels more consistent and better against my bad matchups.
You're right in saying that I should split Llanowar Elves and Elvish Mystic, so I'll do that. I chose Nylea, Keen-Eyed and Ripjaw Raptor over the Heliod-Balista combo because the latter is pretty expensive and I think that Ripjaw Raptor will really help my aggro matchup. Even though I know that Nylea won't be a creature most of the time, I still think she's worth it, due to her activated as well as her passive. In her place, however, I could add in something like Gisela, the Broken Blade, Rhonas the Indomitable, or Verdurous Gearhulk. I could even take out Board the Weatherlight and add in some of these, which is what I'll think I'll do. I like Cast Out because it allows me to cycle it, as well as having flash.
I like Sunpetal Grove because if I don't have a land in hand, I can play it without it coming in untapped. But you might be right in saying that I'll probably need Fortified Village so I'll test it out. I've talked about Sylvan Caryatid before and I think I agree with you now, so I'll add it to my next order.
Thanks again,
Hexaflexagon
January 28, 2020 9:57 p.m.
I really don't like Nylea and Ripjaw for the card draw. Have you considered The First Iroan Games? For more comandery-options I still like better you could try Colossal Majesty, Elemental Bond, Dawn of Hope, Keeper of Fables, or Return of the Wildspeaker?
For shoring up the Aggro matchup, maybe go with Bishop of Wings? It's a great blocker and the lifegain can get pretty crazy if you get your Resplendent Angels going. Gisela, the Broken Blade is a pretty great card too, I really like her in Pioneer where there are so few bolts in sight ;) You can also play a single copy of Bruna, the Fading Light for maximum spice!
January 29, 2020 2:51 a.m.
A few mores comments :)
You're very weak to sweepers which is particularly bad after THB gave us Shatter the Sky, so I'd make sure to run some indestructible-granters at least in the side, I like Selfless Spirit as it can also beat down, but Heroic Intervention is an even broader answer and Unbreakable Formation can be used as a powerful anthem on the offence.
3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar seems like too many. She's powerful, but 1) she's your only beater on the ground and thus comparatively easily blocked, and 2) Legendary so there's a real risk of having a dead copy in hand. Same thing with Shalai, I'd run at least one copy of Gisela or Archangel of Tithes.
I don't like Rhonas the Indomitable or Verdurous Gearhulk. You don't need more power on the ground, there's a real risk of Rhonas not being able to attack, and Gearhulk takes up a 5-drop slot which is where all of your most powerful angels are.
I get Heliod, Sun-Crowned being too expensive, but to my mind, he's the only good god-option for this deck.
I would really want to get some more lifegain in the deck to support the Resplendent Angels, pumping out 4/4's like there's no tomorrow is a great feeling ;)
January 29, 2020 8:25 a.m.
Hexaflexagon says... #5
Hey Esbilon,
Thanks for another comment on this deck. I will try and remember to post on your Pioneer Angels deck, just as a token of my appreciation for how much you've helped me with this deck. I also see that you have a Rienne deck (although mine has more multicoloured synergies), great minds think alike ;).
For your card draw suggestions, I think that Keeper of Fables or Colossal Majesty are my best options because Keeper of Fables can draw me lots of cards when I'm in a good situation, and Colossal Majesty can help me when I'm in a worse position, perhaps leaving my guys back to block.
I didn't like Bishop of Wings in my old deck because I felt that he was either a win-more card or did nothing. I am going to try out Gisela, the Broken Blade, but my only concern is Wizard's Lightning, as most of the aggro decks at my LGS have a lot of Wizards, so I'll have to try and figure out how to deal with that. Bruna is definitely in the conversation, but my curve is probably a little bit too high already, so I'll have to figure that out.
I really like Heroic Intervention and Unbreakable Formation, so I'll have to test both. I'm not a big fan of Selfless Spirit because people can just kill it and I'd rather be playing big Angels anyway.
I like Shalai, Voice of Plenty due to her hexproof giving ability (as it stops burn spells and kills spells) and mana sink ability (in case I have nothing to do). You're probably right about Thalia, Heretic Cathar, so I'll take out a Thalia and some other things for some Gisela.
I think that the Heliod, Sun-Crowned investment is worth it, he'll probably add so much to the deck, so I'll cut Nylea for him.
Also, now that I think about it, what are your thoughts on Stasis Snare versus Banishing Light? I think I agree with you now about taking out Cast Out I've rarely flashed it in and only cycled it a few times.
Finally, what are your thoughts on the changes that I've listed below?
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Add 3 Gisela, the Broken Blade for 1 Thalia, Heretic Cathar and 2 Ripjaw Raptor
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Add 3 Heliod, Sun-Crowned for 3 Nylea, Keen-Eyed
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Add 3 Stasis Snare or Banishing Light for 3 Cast Out
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Add 3 Colossal Majesty for 3 Board the Weatherlight
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Add 2 Keeper of Fables for 2 Ripjaw Raptor
Thanks again, your suggestions have really helped both of my Pioneer decks,
Hexaflexagon
January 31, 2020 3:25 p.m.
You're welcome! This back and forth is the thing I really enjoy about TappedOut (Gods know it looks like something from 10 years ago otherwise ;) )
I mostly play my UW spirits deck in Pioneer these days, it's just so much stronger. The Rienne deck is there to make sure I keep representing the Angel tribe. I had Mayael the Anima as a commander earlier, and honestly she's probably better, but a tribal angels deck should have an angel as a commander.
Elemental Bond is better than Colossal Majesty if an only if you can reliably produce tokens, which doesn't look to be what you're really trying to do most turns. However, I think playing 3 copies of what is strictly a "do nothing enchantment" is probably too much, I'd cut that down to 2 and play an Archangel of Tithes.
I get you with Bishop of Wings. I really like it with Resplendent Angel, but as said you're not trying to make your deck puke angel tokens all over the place, so maybe it isn't for you.
Don't get me wrong about Shalai. She's great, I'm just saying that 3 may be on the heavy side. But if you have the spots for it, go ahead and keep it! The mana sink shouldn't come up too often, though. If you get to 6 mana and are neither in a position to win or to play something better from your hand, it's a weird game.
I'm much higher on Banishing Light than Stasis Snare. Being able to take out anything is crucial and the WW cost is a liability in a 2 color deck. If you felt like cutting the green as well and going full devotion, it might be better, but the instant speed thing does very little for you as you'll basically tap out every turn anyway, so you don't get the flexibility instants usually gives you.
Regarding investing in Heliod... I dunno, I'd wait at least until after the PT's this weekend, if he dominates, he's in line for a ban and then you've thrown 45€ down the drain.
Esbilon says... #1
Glad to see you trying out the GW build :)
I have a few suggestions. Running a mix of Llanowar Elves and Elvish Mystic makes you less vulnerable to Detention Sphere which is played quite a bit in UW control decks. Nylea, Keen-Eyed doesn't do much for you in terms of its discount as you only have five 5-drops, and with only 11 other green creatures, she will rarely be a creature. Ripjaw Raptor seems like a pretty mediocre source of card advantage when you don't have a way to give it damage yourself. If I were to add a divine secondary plan, I'd much rather go with Heliod, Sun-Crowned + Walking Ballista. I also don't think the higher mana cost makes Cast Out worth it over Banishing Light, you have so few instant speed effects that you basically never want to hold up mana. You have 13 hits for Board the Weatherlight which gives you a 27% risk of missing which doesn't seem acceptable.
I would also play Fortified Village over Sunpetal Grove since having green on turn 1 for the 1-dork is pretty important, and Sylvan Caryatid over Paradise Druid since an 0/3 to stop aggro is more relevant than a 2/1 beater, and having hexproof when tapped is also relevant.
January 26, 2020 9:43 a.m.